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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 07:06 AM
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Zelaya returns to Honduras border
Source: BBC




Ousted Honduran President Manuel Zelaya has returned to the country's border with Nicaragua for the second day running, demanding to be allowed home.

He says he will set up camp on the Nicaraguan side to keep up pressure on the interim Honduran government.

Speaking into a megaphone, he demanded to be allowed to see his family, who he has not seen since last month's coup.

On Friday, he made a symbolic crossing over the border into Honduras but withdrew minutes later.

The US, which opposed Mr Zelaya's dismissal and expulsion last month, has described his current attempts to return home as "reckless".

--snip--

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8168556.stm



Muy Macho.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 08:04 AM
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1. It was reported that the coup President shut down everything (?)
that was necessary for him to proceed further that the border. Why isn't that publicized more if the truth - especially on DU? Stepping back allows Michellettie supporters (on DU as well) to make Zelaya look unsure of what he's doing.

No one knows what to do.

I felt very uncomfortable when Sec. Clinton acted like a parent about Zelaya doing what he did. She has to be careful. It looks like she is rooting for Michelletti to me, but I don't want to believe it. Her deportment doesn't deserve any 'A'.

I repeat, no one knows what to do.

I think the solution lies with the OAS and EU who have already spoken in support of Zelaya, plus all the other Western Hemisphere associations.

If Negroponte, Reich (meaning the CIA), Lanny Davis are for Zelaya and Sec. Clinton is using Negroponte as an advisor, and Panetta is in charge of the CIA, and Davis works for lobbyists who also work for lobbyists of the pharmas and telecommunication companies that don't want Zelaya and if our military has concerns about their central base in Honduras under Zelaya, then we know where Sec. Clinton stand?

Not good, not good for democracy. Zelaya was duly elected. The people want him. I say no to this Obama adminstration pulling a Nixon-Reagan-Bush-Cheney/Bush regime change - AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 08:26 AM
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3. There's nothing to wonder about; Clinton supports the coupsters.
She has to make little noises about "democracy" and "constitution" in public so that the U.S. government backing for the coup doesn't look so overt, but it's nothing more than blowing smoke.

The U.S. government has absolutely no interest in seeing Zelaya restored to power. Nothing has changed, the U.S. will always side with the right wing oligarchs against the people of Latin America, because that is what our predatory capitalists demand.

sw
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 09:53 AM
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7. I just scanned the thread about Smedly Butler. Looks she and Bill Clinton will go down
Edited on Sun Jul-26-09 10:03 AM by peacetalksforall
as helping what the DuPonts and Morgans started at the beginning of the last century, but it goes back further. It goes back to the landing of the Europeans in this hemisphere - they only saw fur, spices, and gold and any other riches they didn't know about. People? Humans? Families? Fegeddaboutit!

But, we were taught that if was all about freedom and choice. What a laugh.

We have Homeland Security and wild police and the cover-ups of their actions, no-fly lists, hangings, massacres, no choice on families. But then we have THE FAMILY which is really a cult whose members are pretty absorbed in sex, lies, theft, control, hate generation and maintenance.
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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 08:07 AM
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2. Counting coup on the coup n/t
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 08:37 AM
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4. playing "Chicken" Noodle soup coup on the borderline
He must lack the support to actually cross over and continue his policies
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 08:39 AM
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5. Or just lack the guns. nt
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 08:58 AM
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6. It doesn't matter whether he has the support or not...
Edited on Sun Jul-26-09 08:58 AM by arcos
He's the one and only democratically elected President of Honduras.

If the Honduran people don't want him, then tough luck, they elected him. They must learn to wait until the next election, whether they like the President or not.

Hell, millions of people around the world are already waiting and preparing for the next election in their countries, instead of supporting military coups.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 11:35 AM
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8. He removed from office by their Supreme Court under the terms of the Honduran constitution
Something many like to over look
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 03:19 PM
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9. Have you read the Honduran Constitution?
NOWHERE does it say that Congress or the Supreme Court can remove the President from office. NOWHERE.

Much less, send him, without any kind of trial or due process, to another country, in his pijamas.

What happened is a COUP, no matter how you and others try to spin it.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 10:13 PM
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15. What the hell is wrong with you that you would support a right wing military coup?
What the hell kind of twisted mind would try to justify the kidnapping of the democratically elected president by SOA trained thugs working on behalf of the Ten Families -- the oligarchs who have enriched themselves over generations of oppressing the common people, depriving the people of civil rights and impoverishing them to the extent that Honduras has the greatest gap between rich and poor in Latin America?

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you? If you love oppression and injustice and oligarchy and right wing politics so much, why the fuck are you on a democratic board?

"Progressive" my ass.

sw
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 01:56 AM
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18. There appears to be dirty hands on both sides of this one
Its not supporting one side or the other. Some of us see things in more than just binary
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 03:06 AM
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20. Have you read the Honduran Constitution?
Where exactly does it say that the Supreme Court and/or Congress can impeach and remove the President from office?
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 11:05 AM
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21. It's right there in the
Edited on Mon Jul-27-09 11:06 AM by Guy Whitey Corngood
"I Just Pulled It Out Of My Ass Clause."
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 01:00 PM
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24. Exactly, that seems to be the case nt
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 03:42 PM
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27. Actually its article 239
Edited on Tue Jul-28-09 03:55 PM by ProgressiveProfessor
"The constitution expressly states in Article 239 that any president who seeks to amend the constitution and extend his term is automatically disqualified and is no longer president. But the Supreme Court’s unanimous decision affirmed that Mr. Zelaya was attempting to extend his term with his illegal referendum. Thus, at the time of his arrest he was no longer—as a matter of law, as far as the Supreme Court was concerned—president of Honduras."

Lost track of the source for this, I'll find it a bit later
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 12:43 PM
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22. Oh really? Let's hear about Zelaya's "dirty hands" -- what are his crimes?
Edited on Mon Jul-27-09 12:43 PM by scarletwoman
Obviously, the Oligarchs might find it criminal to raise the minimum wage. And of course, any mention of the possibility of reforming resource extraction and land use would give them fits -- how would they maintain their wealth and power?

So, unless you side with the Oligarch's complaints, what's your evidence that Zelaya has "dirty hands"?

And please don't insult my intelligence by trotting out the propaganda nonsense about Zelaya trying to run for another term. It's pure bullshit. Educate yourself, "professor": Why President Zelaya's Actions in Honduras Were Legal and Constitutional
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 03:52 PM
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28. Your source actually identifies the articles under which he was removed from office
Edited on Tue Jul-28-09 03:55 PM by ProgressiveProfessor
However, the author's conclusions are at odds with:

The Honduran The Supreme Court
The Honduran National Congress
The Honduran Attorney General
The Honduran human rights ombudsman
The Honduran Electoral Commission

Most of those are from his own party, including 8 of the 15 justices on their Supreme Court. They all ruled that the referendum violated the Honduran constitution, which clearly outlaws even consideration of a presidential reelection.

The constitution expressly states in Article 239 that any president who seeks to amend the constitution and extend his term is automatically disqualified and is no longer president. The Supreme Court’s unanimous decision affirmed that Mr. Zelaya was attempting to extend his term with his illegal referendum. Thus, at the time of his arrest he was no longer—as a matter of law, as far as the Supreme Court was concerned—president of Honduras and it ordered the Armed Forces to arrest him. The military executed the arrest order of the Supreme Court because it was the appropriate agency to do so under Honduran law. Zelaya’s arrest was at the direction of Honduran’s constitutional and civilian authorities—not the military.


Now I don't buy everything in the paragraphs above, but clearly there is some implication of wrong doing.

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Mudoria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 04:56 PM
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10. That's as close as you'll ever get Maunel...
find a new line of work.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 05:03 PM
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11. Supposed Zelaya Supporter Found Tortured, Killed in Honduras
Supposed Zelaya Supporter Found Tortured, Killed in Honduras


TEGUCIGALPA – A young man described as a supporter of ousted Honduran President Mel Zelaya was found dead – with signs of having been tortured – on Saturday near the border with Nicaragua, local residents said.

The victim, who was identified only by his first and middle names, Pedro Ezequiel, bore marks of torture on his hands, facial wounds and other injuries, residents of the Alauca sector of southern El Paraiso province where the body was found told Efe.

One of the residents said Pedro Ezequiel was detained by police and soldiers on Friday for allegedly “smoking marijuana.” The arrest was made as Zelaya was making his way to Honduras from Nicaragua for what proved to a brief, two-hour stay in his homeland.

The resident added that Pedro Ezequiel’s body was found Saturday in a vacant lot a few meters (yards) from the highway leading to Nicaragua and near a military checkpoint that had been set up to prevent the president’s supporters from reaching the border to greet Zelaya.

Security forces at different checkpoints were enforcing a noon-to-dawn curfew imposed along the length of the border with Nicaragua.

More:
http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=339966&CategoryId=23558
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 05:24 PM
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13. These golpistas bring out the best in people, don't they?
Edited on Sun Jul-26-09 05:25 PM by formercia

assh0les.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 05:28 PM
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14. Their recruitment slogan: "Be LESS than you were meant to be." n/t
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 05:10 PM
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12. Surreal Honduras: Putting the Narrative Together in the Local Press
Surreal Honduras: Putting the Narrative Together in the Local Press
Written by Clifton Ross
Friday, 24 July 2009

Gabriel Garcia Màrquez could easily have written "A Hundred Years of Solitude" in any country of Central America. It's a region replete with characters and magical landscapes and myths with power to make the hair stand up on the back of your neck when you merely hear them. There's the one about the gringo who visited the mining region of Cabañas and soon thereafter the water turned bad and the fish in the river died and the people all began to die simply because a mysterious gringo passed through.

That's the story as Miguel Rivera tells it. His brother, Marcelo Rivera was the latest victim of the newly organized death squads, formed from what appears to be a triad of power: Pacific Rim (a Canadian multinational), the ARENA party (the political party organized by the death squad killer of Monsignor Romero, Roberto D'Aubuisson) and the "maras" or gang members.

Of course Miguel, who has a deep and even scientific knowledge of his locale, is aware that the myth is just that: a small story that reveals a larger, hidden truth, in this case that a "Gringo" multinational indeed entered the area, but the reason for the deaths was the heavy metal waste from the mining that was poured into the community's water.

In cultures and states where telling the exact truth can lead to one's death, it's always more convenient to wrap the story in myth. Those who unpackage the myths, like Marcelo Rivera, often disappear into thin air -- that is, until they're found, as he was, naked, castrated and murdered after being horribly tortured: his fingernails had all been pulled out; his face had been disfigured so much that his brother could only identify him by his nose; the beatings had broken his skull. Finally, after he had been strangled to death, his body was thrown in a sixty-foot well, covered with chicken manure, dirt, and pieces of meat.

The right wing press did, of course, repeat the official story that Marcelo had fallen in with "mara" gangsters and drank with them, but editors had the integrity to also print a counterpoint that everyone who knew Marcelo had quite clear: that the victim of the unholy triad of moneyed power in El Salvador never drank nor hung out with the maras. His hero was Monsignor Romero and Miguel says the last time he saw his brother he was wearing a t-shirt with the image of that martyr on it.

There's a significant difference between El Salvador under the FMLN where power in the media is actively being contested, and Honduras where there is a blackout of the opposition perspective. Another difference is that the ARENA party has lost control of the military and has to rely on "maras" to do its dirty work while in Honduras the government hasn't yet had to consider recruiting "civilian contractors" from the 100,000 or so "maras" operating in Central America. Thus far the military has been quite happy to do the job of eliminating or terrorizing opponents under the "golpista" Honduran government (coup government) of Micheletti. On July 5, for example, the military fired with machine guns on a crowd numbering in the thousands. This is the unofficial story, of course. The papers, including El Heraldo, claimed that the military had fired on the crowd with rubber bullets. Officially, also, only one person died. Protestors say that there were eight or nine victims who died on the way to the hospital, and whose bodies were disappeared. Given the machine gun fire, it's only surprising that more didn't die.

The Honduran government of the 1980s found it had no need to replicate the widespread massacres being carried out in El Salvador and Guatemala. It was able to selectively eliminate a couple hundred leaders of the opposition and take care of its problem with the "subversives." But in order to maintain control over the rest of the population and assure its docility and compliance, like anywhere else, it required a press willing and able to cloak a damning reality in a less threatening myth.

Once again Honduran reporters are being called in to do overtime in psyops. Granted, the press in Honduras under the "golpista" government isn't any worse than Fox News. That being said, everything having to do with the news around the recent "golpe" (coup) has a quality that ranges from surreal interpretation to black propaganda. It would seem that the journalists of the major papers of Honduras really were frustrated writers of dystopian science fiction.

One Honduran tells me she saw a murder in her neighborhood that was multiplied in the journalistic alchemy of the Honduran press by six the following day. I keep that in mind as I sit here in my hotel room in Tegucigalpa, leafing through what my wife back home would call "the daily pack of lies."

More:
http://upsidedownworld.org/main/content/view/2010/1/
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 10:15 PM
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16. That's an amazing post!
Ought to be an OP, imho.

sw
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 02:54 AM
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19. Thanks for your suggestion: I just added it to "Editorials, etc."
Edited on Mon Jul-27-09 02:56 AM by Judi Lynn
Glad you took time to read this.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 12:46 PM
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23. Thank you for posting it in the first place! It really is an excellent piece. (nt)
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 10:49 PM
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17. For the Golpistas: Tu Madre!!!
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captain jack Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 02:48 PM
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25. If the US were on the right side of this issue it would be over already.
The US role of victims advocate is so transparent. This must be the new coup tactic for Central and South America. Condemnation without action. Has anyone checked to see if any trade or funding to Honduras has stopped? "Reckless" You just gotta love strategy and propaganda.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 06:01 PM
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26. Amazing, isn't it? There appears to be no will to call a spade a spade.
Military coup? What military coup?

Words can't express how disgusted I am...
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