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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 08:51 PM Original message |
Bush-Era Debate: Using G.I.’s in U.S. (Considered using military on US soil) |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 08:53 PM Response to Original message |
1. This is a police issue not military thank God this didn't happen. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:15 AM Response to Reply #1 |
34. IMO, terrorists are a police issue, too, but we're in Iraq and Afghanistan anyway. |
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Dennis Donovan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
2. Rachel Maddow just broke this (the NYT story) on her show... |
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The abyss (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
3. Thanks for posting! |
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seafan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
4. “If we had tanks rolling down the streets of our city, we would have had pandemonium down here." |
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The abyss (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 10:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Pandemonium – how I wish we had pandemonium! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 11:29 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Deleted message |
Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:02 AM Response to Reply #6 |
48. The closest we ever get to pandemonium here is when Jacko dies |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #48 |
83. ROFL |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 10:22 AM Response to Reply #48 |
128. Oh yeah you would... |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 12:16 PM Response to Reply #6 |
106. in some respects, I wish we had that too, but I doubt the SHEEPLE would have done ANYTHING... |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 10:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Pandemonium? Doubtful. Hate Radio and Cabal "News" would have |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:21 AM Response to Reply #8 |
36. And ignored by everyone else, including Democrats in |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:45 PM Response to Reply #8 |
85. Locally there would have been pandemonium. |
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neverforget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
5. God I hate him |
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annm4peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
7. there were armed military rolling around in St. Paul, MN during RNC |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 06:56 AM Response to Reply #7 |
29. Do you know if they were National Guard or regular Army? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:25 AM Response to Reply #7 |
38. The Constitution has been suspended since 911, maybe since 1/2001. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #38 |
109. GOP/Ollie North were working on suspending the Constitution in Reagan admin -- Iran/Contra . . .!!1 |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #7 |
84. They gave it another stab in Sept. '08 |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #84 |
110. "The right to free assembly" is somewhat hampered by "weaons on tanks" --!!! |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. Well-put. n/t |
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Bassic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
9. Geez, |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:30 AM Response to Reply #9 |
40. They love it, of course. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 11:31 PM Response to Original message |
11. Deleted message |
givemebackmycountry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 11:58 PM Response to Original message |
12. Jeez, if the Monkey and Darth were still in charge... |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 12:05 AM Response to Original message |
13. Put this together with the recent CIA death squad reports |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:07 AM Response to Reply #13 |
31. A lot of us said that at the time, |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:53 AM Response to Reply #31 |
44. "Build it, and it will come" |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:06 AM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Tell me about it! |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:52 AM Response to Reply #50 |
56. Read this from an address given by the King family attorney, William F. Pepper |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 09:17 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Holy shit. I sure hope not! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 01:21 PM Response to Reply #58 |
112. Thank y ou -- !! |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 09:23 AM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Also, read this 1997 Dept of Justice report - confirms MID units in Memphis surveilling King |
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laststeamtrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 02:32 AM Response to Original message |
14. Cheney Pressured Bush to Authorize Use of Military On U.S. Soil |
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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:40 AM Response to Original message |
15. Bush-Era Debate: Using G.I.’s in U.S |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:40 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. uh, "subsequent laws" try Posse Comitatus |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:40 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Did you read the Time piece on |
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davidpdx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:40 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. I saw the Time article |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:38 AM Response to Reply #18 |
41. Bush. Legacy. Project. |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:10 AM Response to Reply #16 |
32. IIRC, Posse Comitatus was eliminated by the John Warner bill, |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 09:26 AM Response to Reply #16 |
61. But then, there's the insurrection act, as amended by our current Democratic |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:40 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. They didn't just want to wipe |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:04 AM Response to Reply #17 |
30. Whatever happened to all those threads about all of this? |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 10:50 AM Response to Reply #30 |
65. They took a page |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #17 |
118. Agree -- and was Liz Cheney out there defending this today? |
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2Design (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:40 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. this is what the argument with LA governor was about too n/t |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 09:55 AM Response to Reply #19 |
94. Don't think Governors could argue anymore. |
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Amos Moses (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:40 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. They had doubts that the FBI could apprehend six people? |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:12 AM Response to Reply #20 |
33. No, that was just a red herring. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:43 AM Response to Reply #33 |
43. Good point to emphasize. Thank you.. |
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Third Doctor (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:40 AM Response to Reply #15 |
21. This sounds |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:17 AM Response to Reply #21 |
35. George W. Bush |
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davidpdx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:40 AM Response to Reply #15 |
23. That's scary shit |
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truthisfreedom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:40 AM Response to Reply #15 |
24. "Top bush administration officials" = one bush admin official. cheney. |
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Dennis Donovan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:57 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. ...and Rummy. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #15 |
113. Plus . . . |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:44 AM Response to Original message |
25. Republicons really got the TOTALITARIAN thingy down |
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tanyev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:09 AM Response to Reply #25 |
52. I sometimes wonder if the totalitarianism is overcompensation |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:50 AM Response to Reply #52 |
55. "Don't you mean chickenhawk cowardice?" - Rush 'Ass-Pimple-Deferment' Limbaugh |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 06:38 AM Response to Original message |
27. It felt like a coup in NYC after 9/11 with all the troops |
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a la izquierda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 06:54 AM Response to Original message |
28. No offense to active duty or vets... |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:54 AM Response to Reply #28 |
45. No offense taken. |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:23 AM Response to Original message |
37. Buffalo is almost Canada. |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:27 AM Response to Original message |
39. Skinner, I had already started another thread on this topic. |
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AsahinaKimi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:40 AM Response to Original message |
42. "Bring them on..." |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:56 AM Response to Reply #42 |
46. How weird would it be to find out Bush saved us from Cheney? |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:04 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. I don't believe this for a second |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 09:09 AM Response to Reply #49 |
57. OK, if that's the case, who made the decision? |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 02:07 PM Response to Reply #57 |
75. Someone wth veto power of Cheney. Rove, perhaps |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:01 AM Response to Original message |
47. The fact that the Lackawanna 6 were caught, tried & convicted through CONVENTIONAL means |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:28 AM Response to Reply #47 |
54. There probably wasn't enough evidence against them to convict if the Constitution still applied |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:07 AM Response to Original message |
51. Weren't they calling troops in from overseas shortly before the 2008 Presidential? |
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seafan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:18 AM Response to Original message |
53. And we were disparaged as wacky conspiracy theorists. |
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laststeamtrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
60. Glenn Greenwald: The Cheney plan to deploy the U.S. military on U.S. soil |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
62. lol...i still remember the days when the RW nutbars screamed |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
63. Cheney wanted to do this just to create a precedent. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
64. The Bush admin was also attempting to do this in Louisana after Katrina |
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seafan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 10:58 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Excellent memory, fly. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Thank you for the link!! crunched for time here..so i don't have time to look |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 11:29 AM Response to Reply #64 |
70. Exactly , |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 09:51 AM Response to Reply #64 |
93. Please see Reply 61. Or the wiki on the Insurrection Act. |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #64 |
107. First thing I thought about as well |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 02:54 PM Response to Reply #64 |
119. And the National Guard that did respond was held back from going forward ... |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
67. "Mr. Bush ultimately decided against the proposal to use military force." Hm-m-m. |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 02:09 PM Response to Reply #67 |
76. Complete bullshit. Bush making a decision, I mean |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 06:19 PM Response to Reply #67 |
86. Umm, maybe Panetta just got the upperhand on this one |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 11:57 AM Response to Reply #86 |
104. Very, very good questions, clear eye! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 05:05 PM Response to Reply #104 |
122. It's a puzzle with a lot of missing pieces we can't even guess at -- |
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The abyss (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 11:15 PM Response to Reply #104 |
133. Peace Patriot |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 03:06 PM Response to Reply #67 |
120. Pretty fair narrative . . . however, that makes Poppy look almost like a good guy . . . |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
69. Here's another Kick for Visibility... this is extremely important |
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Tab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
71. To be fair |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. To be fair..Bush was pres..the buck stops with him..Why did he allow Cheney to have that much power? |
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Tab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Well, he did stop it. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 02:39 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. ohh i didn't mean you were..sorry i wasn't clearer!!..but this wasn't the end of it.. |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 02:10 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. I assume this post is a joke |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 09:47 AM Response to Reply #77 |
92. Sorry, but I think that is your assumption. IMO, Bush choose to leave a lot of |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 03:39 PM Response to Reply #72 |
121. They couldn't have made Bush president without Cheney . . . |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
74. K&R. |
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Papa Boule (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
78. The right was so terrified Clinton and the left were planning to do something like this |
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DebbieCDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
80. K&R |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
81. K&R, this is scary stuff |
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24601 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
82. Well, on 9-11, the military was dispatched. Fighters under |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #82 |
117. NORAD is always on duty . . . except on 9/11 . . . |
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24601 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #117 |
124. Having worked in Cheyenne Mountain four years, I have a |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 07:24 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. Nice history . . . but NORAD didn't respond on 9/11 . . . |
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24601 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 08:48 PM Response to Reply #126 |
129. I'll accept your response as "no first-hand experience" Bye n/t |
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Snazzy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
87. Their arrest was timed to the first anniversary of 9/11 |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:56 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. What will the next 9/11 anniversary shake out of the bushes ? |
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Snazzy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:31 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Somalia huh, great |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 08:33 AM Response to Reply #89 |
91. Actually, no. 'The land of 10,000 lakes" |
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Snazzy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 07:12 PM Response to Reply #91 |
125. I watched it. Was thinking about "failed states" and Clinton + Somalia |
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gimama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
90. why can't I rec Your thread, Skinner? |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
95. Lackawanna Officials Say Troops in City was Bad Idea |
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ScottLand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #95 |
96. It was a bad idea |
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Nickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #95 |
97. A "Bad Idea"? Why won't anyone say illegal? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #97 |
102. .... |
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Nickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #102 |
103. Still doesn't seem to meet the standards of the Insurrection Act either, the police function of the |
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PuraVidaDreamin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #95 |
98. Seriously- Thank God Bush never died in office. |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #98 |
100. Cheney assumed the presidency twice while Junior had a colonist. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 02:31 PM Response to Reply #100 |
116. OTOH, some say that after the assassination attempt, Bush became president . . . |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 05:45 PM Response to Reply #116 |
123. That could be true. |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 09:52 PM Response to Reply #123 |
130. Of course you have verifiable facts to support your claim. |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 10:47 PM Response to Reply #130 |
132. Reagan was shot on March 30, 1981. |
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ScottLand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #98 |
101. I was scared to death they were going |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #101 |
115. Yes . . . . rather than practicing law it seems to be "torturing the law" . . . ??? |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #95 |
99. duplicate topic |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #95 |
105. and here is yet another REASON to HATE cheney and his AWOL WAR CRIMINAL pResident... |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 10:54 PM Response to Reply #95 |
127. Of course, Dick didn't think the federal and local police |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
108. kick |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
114. "...according to former administration officials" Memo declassified in March . . . |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
131. Actually, not all that unprecedented |
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