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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 03:40 PM
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Justice Department argues against releasing Cheney interview
Edited on Tue Jul-21-09 03:44 PM by kpete
Source: Politico

Justice Department argues against releasing Cheney interview

POLITICO 44

President Barack Obama’s Justice Department is arguing that former Vice President Dick Cheney’s interview with prosecutors in the CIA leak case should remain secret for five to 10 years to persuade high-level government officials to cooperate in future investigations.

“In making public the Vice President’s interview, you will chill them,” Justice Department attorney Jeffrey Smith told Judge Emmet Sullivan during a two-hour hearing Tuesday on a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit seeking release of records about the Cheney interview, which took place in 2004.

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Smith said the Justice Department’s view was that a delay of five to ten years was appropriate, marked from the time the official or his or her administration left office. “It’s a judgment call,” Smith acknowledged.

Smith suggested that such a delay would make it more likely that the information was used for historical purposes and not for political embarrassment. “The distinction is between releasing it for historical view and releasing it into the political fray,” Smith said.







Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25211.html#ixzz0LvGXs5bj
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 03:43 PM
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1. If you protect a criminal, you become an accessory to the same crimes
This is what AG Gonzales would have done. Why is Holder doing the same thing that Gonzales would have done?

"Change You Can Believe In" is turning out to be just another empty slogan.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 03:44 PM
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2. Meaning: Cheney won't live another 10 years...
uh huh... they want to be sure he's dead before any of this comes out so as not to spoil his winter years.
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earthboundmisfit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 03:53 PM
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3. Why why WHY protect the motherfucker???????
:banghead:
Who gives a fuck whether he's EMBARRASSED????
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 01:04 AM
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23. Obama doesn't want to deal with the politics. n/t
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 03:54 PM
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4. Bullshit, he committed a crime and
covered it up. The fucker should be embarrassed. Obama is fucking wrong on this.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 12:39 PM
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24. apparently the Department of Justice defines some crimes as "political frays"
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 03:58 PM
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5. Same Attorney that Said the Daily Show was a reason not to release
A federal judge yesterday sharply questioned an assertion by the Obama administration that former Vice President Richard B. Cheney’s statements to a special prosecutor about the Valerie Plame case must be kept secret, partly so they do not become fodder for Cheney’s political enemies or late-night commentary on “The Daily Show.” U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan expressed surprise during a hearing here that the Justice Department, in asserting that Cheney’s voluntary statements to U.S. Attorney Patrick J. Fitzgerald were exempt from disclosure, relied on legal claims put forward last October by a Bush Administration political appointee, Stephen Bradbury. The department asserted then that the disclosure would make presidents and vice presidents reluctant to cooperate voluntarily with future criminal investigations.

But career civil division lawyer Jeffrey M. Smith, responding to Sullivan’s questions, said Bradbury’s arguments against the disclosure were supported by the department’s current leadership. He told the judge that if Cheney’s remarks were published, then a future vice president asked to provide candid information during a criminal probe might refuse to do so out of concern “that it’s going to get on ‘The Daily Show’” or somehow be used as a political weapon.

Let’s focus a bit on this. The subject is Cheney’s FBI interview on the subject of the outing of a covert CIA agent. As it happens, that’s a felony, even if it’s done by a vice president. This is a matter of intense public interest and concern, particularly given a federal prosecutor’s decision to treat Cheney as an unindicted co-conspirator in a criminal prosecution that secured the conviction of his chief-of-staff. It is a fair inference from Patrick Fitzgerald’s comments that he believed that Cheney was guilty of criminal conduct but believed that he had technical problems in building a case–or that political considerations weighed in opposition to it. Disclosure of the interview notes would give the public a strong sense of Cheney’s culpability. At a time in which Cheney has reasserted himself into the public sector, emerging as the principal spokesman of a disintegrating G.O.P., public interest in his possible involvement in a criminal conspiracy is hardly a matter of historical interest.

A career Justice Department spokesman is saying that Cheney’s secrets should stay secret because a vice president in the future might refuse to cooperate with a criminal investigation if he knew his remarks might make him the subject of public ridicule. Am I understanding that correctly? An elected public official fully understands that his or her conduct and statements in a criminal investigation may be exposed and—particularly if they prove to be false or misleading, or if they disclose criminal dealings—may subject him or her to public ridicule. That’s what we call democratic process.

The Bush Justice Department never saw things that way. It made historically unprecedented use of prosecutorial power as a political tool to influence elections and to implement its partisan political agenda. On the other hand, it viewed the White House as a site of executive prerogative, and it disdained entirely the notion of accountability. No surprise there. And no surprise that Steven G. Bradbury would be allergic to disclosure. This is the same Steven G. Bradbury who authored a series of torture memoranda, and in displays of characteristic cowardice kept them secret and then revoked the earlier torture memoranda just as he was packing his desk to leave. It’s easy to understand why Mr. Bradbury craves secrecy. Indeed, he apparently is having a very difficult time finding a job, and a full vetting of his conduct in office would make things even tougher for him.

But Jeffrey M. Smith, a career Justice Department attorney, claims that his new bosses adhere to the same reasoning and viewpoints as their predecessors. On this point we need to know more. Who are these nameless Obama Justice functionaries who bend before the idol of secret government? They really should have an opportunity to explain themselves before a Congressional committee. And it would have been better had they explained themselves before their confirmation. Obama came to Washington promising an era of transparency in government; Eric Holder promised to uphold this commitment in the Department of Justice. So far, their decisions reflect straight-line continuity with the abuses of the Bush regime. The litigation may be about Cheney’s dark secrets, but they’re obviously focused on their own dark secrets to come
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http://www.harpers.org/archive/2009/06/hbc-90005245

This guy was hired during Bush Senior's term.......... mole much?


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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 03:58 PM
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6. If crimes have been committed
or are being committed by the CIA, then I think 'chilling' them is desirable. If they have done nothing wrong, then Cheney's interview should not bother them at all.

The fact that they want to keep it secret for fear of a 'chilling effect' says to me that crimes were or are being committed and that makes it imperative that it ought to be released. They are arguing against themselves, imo.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 04:05 PM
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7. I just noticed this at the end of IchingCarpenter's post
Edited on Tue Jul-21-09 04:06 PM by sabrina 1
This guy was hired during Bush Senior's term.......... mole much?

This is bullshit! Another of Obama's major bad decisions, leaving these people around to protect the crimes of the last administration.

That interview needs to be released. Since when is an elected official entitled to all this secrecy when it comes to testimony relating to crimes?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 04:06 PM
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8. what do we have here......
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 04:17 PM
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11. We've had 30 years of the infiltration of the shadow government
The Justice department was cleaned out of anyone that wouldn't tote the line during the last 8 years except for a few exceptions.
The CIA connection was revealing in your links.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 04:31 PM
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12. Very interesting links, thank you
It looks like this Jeffrey Smith, former member of the CIA, might have a vested interest in keeping this all secret. Iow, a real conflict of interest.

I can't find a date for this interview (from your second link, PBS interview) but it was after 9/11. First he complains about all the restrictions on the activities of the CIA, the number of people they have to report to before putting plans into action:

So you have the ironic situation of the most secret, sensitive operations of the United States government are heavily regulated with frankly, lots of lawyers involved; very complex, presidential findings are required to be signed prior to the conduct of any covert activity.... The Congress requires by statute that the president execute a signed finding. It's called a finding because if the president says, "I find that this activity is necessary for the national security of the United States," it is then described in considerable detail; the president signs it by hand; it is then provided to the two intelligence oversight committees in Congress. It's often provided to the Appropriations Committee and the Armed Services Committees. Then detailed explanations of those covert activities are given to the Congress prior to the conduct of the operation.


So, he's fully aware of the laws, that much is clear. Then, he delivers the good news, that they have found ways around the laws governing their activities. I wonder what HE knew about all this?

The sad fact of the matter is it keeps a lot of lawyers busy. The good news is that, over time, we have figured out ways to conduct necessary intelligence activities and comply with the law, but still largely do what needs to be done. But it clearly "gums up the works" as we try to put together intelligence activity. It risks disclosures, because every time additional people know about activities, there is a greater risk of leaks. But we have largely found a way to make it work.




Definitely he should be recused from this matter and anything he has to say, taken with the knowledge that he himself might have been involved, or known about, whatever these secret activities were. He has already admitted to 'getting around the laws' which he acknowledges the existence of in that interview.

Excellent research, thank you ~ he definitely should be considered a 'mole' for the Bush administration and Cheney.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 04:45 PM
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14. thanks...i always google "stories" from politico and other suspect sites
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 05:38 PM
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16. Good idea, and there's more to wonder about
from your links. If you look at the first excerpt I used from your CBS interview link, Jeffrey Smith states that the law requires that the president sign off on CIA activities.

That raises another question, did Bush know what Cheney's little rogue assassination group were up to, and did HE sign off on those secret activities, or, and maybe this has been addressed already, are they saying that Cheney went off on his own and that neither Bush nor Congress knew about it?

Regardless, since the law requires the approval of both the President and Congress, it seems to me that they need to find out if Bush knew, and not just take someone's word for it.
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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 05:54 PM
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17. Don't forget Bush was out for his colonoscopy - a lot can be
authorized by the "shoe in" in an hour.
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 04:12 PM
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9. Let's hear it for transparency!
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 04:16 PM
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10. I want all those fuckers "chilled".
When did accountability become "political embarassment"? What is this crap?
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 04:35 PM
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13. Bullshit!
Edited on Tue Jul-21-09 04:38 PM by bvar22
The Justice Department KNOWS how to catch these criminals and dismantle their Criminal Empire.
The same technique that worked on The Mob will work here too.

Start with the Little Fish...make a few examples with MAXIMUM Penalties, and the rest of these slobs will be begging to roll over on their "Bosses".
Letting them skate ONLY produces MORE skating.

On Edit:
Holder's Justice Department has been PATHETIC.
He HAS managed to get some high profile REPUBLICANS out of jail, but thats about all.
If there are STILL "Republican Moles" in the Justice Department, it is because Holder WANTS them there.
6 months is PLENTY of time to have reviewed all the top level decision makers in the Justice Department.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 05:02 PM
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15. Cheney's DU BFF is very happy about this
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 05:59 PM
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18. What has happened to this country?
I no longer recognize this country. Instead of correcting the problems we seem to make them worse. Very bizarre.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 06:34 PM
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19. Delete the word "interview" and you've got a keeper. nt
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 06:52 PM
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20. Open
the cells,let them all go free.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 08:17 PM
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21. Very disappointing. n/t
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 12:05 AM
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22. Impeach Obama for obstructing justice?
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5thGenDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 12:52 PM
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25. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss
The new administration's just a little too cuddly with the old administration for my taste.
John
Members of the Bush II regime deserve to be embarrassed, indicted, convicted and imprisoned. Not going to happen -- never ever.
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