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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:02 PM
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Sec. Clinton on Honduras Coup
Source: State Department

The action taken against Honduran President Mel Zelaya violates the precepts of the Inter-American Democratic Charter, and thus should be condemned by all. We call on all parties in Honduras to respect the constitutional order and the rule of law, to reaffirm their democratic vocation, and to commit themselves to resolve political disputes peacefully and through dialogue. Honduras must embrace the very principles of democracy we reaffirmed at the OAS meeting it hosted less than one month ago.

Read more: http://secretaryclinton.wordpress.com/



Change we can believe in.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:05 PM
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1. If possession is 9 tenths of the law..
then it might not just be solved with diplomacy.
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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:07 PM
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2. I would discourage direct military action
BUT - I bet we have ways to really make the Honduran caudillos cry uncle.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:08 PM
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3. Like no more of Tio Sam's dinero??
That'll learn 'em.
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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:09 PM
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4. Oh, yeah. Freeze some bank acounts
Edited on Sun Jun-28-09 08:09 PM by subcomhd
edited for spelling
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:09 PM
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5. Does this mean that CAFTA
Edited on Sun Jun-28-09 08:10 PM by rocktivity
was a GOOD idea?

:shrug:
rocktivity
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:09 PM
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6. That's not good enough.
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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:11 PM
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7. It is only a reversal of more than
one-hundred years of supporting right-wing military, land-owning Latin American interests.
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Alhena Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:12 PM
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8. What is- invasion?
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:13 PM
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9. What would be good enough?
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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:15 PM
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10. Anyone who thinks this isn't significant
hasn't been paying attention since the Spanish-American War.
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:20 PM
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12. We walked on egg shells with the Iran election, but we're knocking some heads in little Honduras?
Edited on Sun Jun-28-09 08:21 PM by timeforpeace
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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:29 PM
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14. Totally Different Dynamics
For one, the whole religious thing.

Two - In Iran, openly supporting the democrats falls into the old paradigm of American meddling in that the current regime overthrew a US puppet. So even if the democratic resistance isn't American inspired, supporting it hurts it.

In Latin America, we are actually taking the side to people we opposed so long.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:41 PM
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16. We've always had a lot of influence (control) in Honduras. It's our staging ground for Central
America and the Caribbean. We have an enormous air base there.

Honduras is a beautiful country, but the United Fruit Company really had a long and negative influence on it.
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zonkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:16 PM
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11. "So Say We All" !!
Edited on Sun Jun-28-09 08:16 PM by zonkers
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:27 PM
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13. School of the Americas tie.
A military coup has taken place in Honduras this morning (Sunday, June 28), led by School of the Americas (SOA) graduate Romeo Vasquez. In the early hours of the day,

http://www.soaw.org/
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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:30 PM
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15. That is what makes the US position so historical/
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:42 PM
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17. We haven't come far since O'Henry. So much for evolution.
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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:49 PM
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18. I don't get the O'henry reference
BUT to put things in perspective

BUSH POLICY
"We do hope that Chávez recognizes that the whole world is watching and that he takes advantage of this opportunity to right his own ship, which has been moving, frankly, in the wrong direction for quite a long time."<26> Rice gave no opinion on the plotters.
WIKIPEDIA

OBAMA POLICY
"The action taken against Honduran President Mel Zelaya violates the precepts of the Inter-American Democratic Charter, and thus should be condemned by all."
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:54 PM
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20. Read "Cabbages and Kings" sometime.
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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:59 PM
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22. Thanks for the homework.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:51 PM
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19. Insist that the democracy is restored along with the elected president or
pull out all the stops.
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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:55 PM
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21. Hell yes.
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 09:01 PM
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23. And as usual retire the Generals to South Florida.
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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 09:07 PM
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25. Fine
Tell them the have a place in S. Beach. Look, our relationship with those caudillo types is sort of mafiaso anyway. Beach-front retirement in Florida or we cut off all military aid, freeze your bank acounts, etc. and you have to leave anyway, if you can get out in time. The easy way or the hard way.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 09:02 PM
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24. Another military coup in Latin America.
I thought that they were a thing of the past, I guess not.

Thanks for the link, great Hillary pics.

:hi:
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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 09:09 PM
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26. You Are Welcome
and yeah, those are some cool pics. There might be a screen saver or two in there.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 09:26 PM
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28. Yep.
Nice blog, I had never seen it before.

;)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 09:26 PM
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27. Well done, Madame Secretary!
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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 09:38 PM
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29. I always thought Obama would make her AG
But his decision to put her at State seems better and better every day. Not that it was ever in doubt and I don't mean just this episode, I think she has been a perfect top-diplomat from the time she took office. Hillary rocks.
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