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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 07:42 PM
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Goldman to make record bonus payout
Source: The Observer

Staff at Goldman Sachs staff can look forward to the biggest bonus payouts in the firm's 140-year history after a spectacular first half of the year, sparking concern that the big investment banks which survived the credit crunch will derail financial regulation reforms.

A lack of competition and a surge in revenues from trading foreign currency, bonds and fixed-income products has sent profits at Goldman Sachs soaring, according to insiders at the firm.

Staff in London were briefed last week on the banking and securities company's prospects and told they could look forward to bumper bonuses if, as predicted, it completed its most profitable year ever. Figures next month detailing the firm's second-quarter earnings are expected to show a further jump in profits. Warren Buffett, who bought $5bn of the company's shares in January, has already made a $1bn gain on his investment.

Goldman is expected to be the biggest winner in the race for revenues that, in 2006, reached £186bn across the entire industry. While this figure is expected to fall to £160bn in 2009, it will be split among a smaller number of firms.


Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jun/21/goldman-sachs-bonus-payments
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 07:44 PM
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1. imagine that...
:eyes:
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 07:49 PM
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2. Dust off the guillotine
A shortening may be in order.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 03:08 PM
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24. I'm with you. They never change their spots. Never. The rich and powerful always win.
We're not going to get ANY meaningful health care reform.

Decent, hardworking people are losing their jobs left and right. I'm 58 this year, and know I'm expendable. I expect to lose my job later this year, and not because of my performance, but their mismanagement.

Our tax dollars go to prop up these bastards.

No action on the environment. Health care hopeless. Education a shambles. Discrmination rampant. The "little guy" has no chance.

I'm sick of this shit.
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 05:08 PM
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37. THEY ARE PROBABLY IN THE LONDON OFFICE
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 06:00 PM
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45. Hear, hear!
:patriot:
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 07:53 PM
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3. Ugh, how sickening.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 07:57 PM
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4. the biggest and nastiest pigs at the trough
I wish them ill.
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LuvNewcastle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 08:09 PM
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5. I wonder how much stock
Henry Paulson has in Goldman.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 09:02 PM
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6. Windfall profits tax 'em. n/t
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 10:28 PM
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7. Ahhhhhhhhhh, CHANGE. When???????????????
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 11:51 PM
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8. So, let's see how much of their bonuses these folks will pay to the U.S. in taxes.
I'm serious. Wealthy people always complain about the tax burden on them. So, how much will they really pay out of these windfall profits -- which they owe directly to the government bail-out, meaning to the American people. They should pay the whole year's windfall of profits to the American people and government.
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dreamnightwind Donating Member (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 01:33 AM
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9. k & r
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galileoreloaded Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 09:55 AM
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10. This should be one of the top 5 stories on DU.How telling.
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 10:23 AM
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11. Wow. Just... wow.
I can't believe the unmitigated arrogance and gall that it must take to do this. Maybe some more bus tours are in order.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 10:53 AM
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12. Unless Goldman received
money from taxpayer bailouts, I don't see what can be done about this.

If they received any money from the government then all bonuses should be on hold until they pay it all back.

Mz Pip
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Scooter24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 12:04 PM
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13. Goldman was forced by the fed to take TARP money
to prevent any one bank from appearing in trouble. They recently paid back their loan with dividends.

At this point Goldman is once again a free company.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 02:37 PM
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18. I have mixed feelings because the company has always
been a huge donor to Democrats ( well not the company itself, but people who work there)
I don't know if they have a PAC, but if they do, I'm sure it leans toward Democrats too.
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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 02:57 PM
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22. Really? Any links? And did they pay their share of taxes? Somehow I doubt it.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 03:17 PM
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26. Try this
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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 04:08 PM
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30. Thanks. Clearly Goldman folks give a LOT to Dems. But does the company give to the IRS? (for all
Edited on Sun Jun-21-09 04:09 PM by FailureToCommunicate
the gazillions they profit from bond trading US bonds, etc.?)
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Pharlo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 03:05 PM
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23. But how much of those profits came through AIG and their
taxpayer bailout?
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 04:11 PM
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31. A large % of the AIG bailout went to G-S
AIG held it for about ten seconds.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 04:47 PM
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35. GOlfmand received the money from AIG that AIG received from the government.
The AIG money was also used to pay various world banks.

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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 12:16 PM
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14. I have a friend who works for Goldman...
Maybe I should think about hitting him up for some cash.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 12:55 PM
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15. Goldmine Sachs rakes in a quarter trillion in profit
while the American worker suffers a painful financial death.

Ain't oligarchy grand?
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ldf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 01:22 PM
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16. wtf is wrong with this picture
Edited on Sun Jun-21-09 01:23 PM by ldf
it may be legal, but how can so much profit be made while the economy is in the toilet?

there are obviously TWO economies.

edit for punctuation
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 03:22 PM
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27. You didn't know that already?
Think back to 1981-1989, which was supposedly this huge time of plenty. If you were in the financial services sector it was; if you were in manufacturing things weren't so great.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 02:18 PM
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17. NATCH
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 02:41 PM
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19. "money,money,money,it`s a rich man`s world"
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 02:44 PM
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20. K&R
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 02:53 PM
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21. Didn't That geithner Guy Have Something To Do with goldman?
Or am I all wrong?
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 05:57 PM
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43. Paulson most certainly does, but i'm not sure if Geitner has a direct connection...

nothing obvious pops up in a google search, if you (or anyone else) can find a connection, please post!
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 10:17 PM
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50. From Wiki .... Hank Paulson


Conflict of interest claims
It has been pointed out that Paulson's plan could potentially have some conflicts of interest, since Paulson was the former CEO of Goldman Sachs, a firm that may benefit largely from the plan Questions remain about Paulson's interest, despite the fact that he had no direct financial interest in Goldman, since he had sold his entire stake in the firm prior to becoming Treasury Secretary, pursuant to ethics law. The Goldman Sachs benefit from AIG bailout was recently estimated as USD 12.9 billion and GS was the largest recipient of the public funds from AIG. Creating the collateralized debt obligation (CDO's) forming the basis of the current crisis was an active part of Goldman Sach's business during Paulson's tenure as CEO. An investigation into whether the creators of these debts had failed to disclose their underlying risk—likely in civil damage suits arising out of AIG's failure—would necessarily involve scrutiny of Paulson's own role. The fact that his sale of his Goldman Sach's interest was tax-deferred, netting him nearly $200 million in tax benefits, resulted in questions about the motives of his joining the government.

July 3, 2006 – January 20, 2009
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 03:09 PM
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25. this administration better deliver on regulations
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 03:31 PM
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28. exactly what did they do to earn those huge bonuses?

nothing



:mad:
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 03:35 PM
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29. did you see the last paragraph?
Last week, the firm predicted that President Barack Obama's government could issue $3.25tn of debt before September, almost four times last year's sum. Goldman, a prime broker of US government bonds, is expected to make hundreds of millions of dollars in profits from selling and dealing in the bonds.

this is INSANE.

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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 04:16 PM
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32. It IS insane. Disgusting. Appalling. No adjectives are adequate.
I am sick of the shithole that this nation has become. Can't believe I'm saying that.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 04:18 PM
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33. Well, they did have a record year, didn't they?
:sarcasm:
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 04:38 PM
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34. Of course, they didn't give back the government guarantees on their debt or the

discounted credit from the Fed. How very uh....independent of them!?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ik0cTziDq25tH6gfk_uVrZl_Sm1QD98TVRCG1

Despite their relative strength, the banks still rely on government subsidies, including guarantees on debt they already issued and discounted credit lines from the Federal Reserve.

Fuckers.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 04:58 PM
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36. Henry Paulson was/is to the treasury that Cheney was/is to Halliburton, (KBR) eom
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 05:26 PM
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38. I certainly don't want to get banned,
OR put on suspension; HOWEVER, those lousy male rooster suckers from HELL. And who...WHO? is going to stop this bullshit? I cannot pay my mortgage (yes I have internet...flame away. I really do NOT care!) I will be 58 on the 1st of July and this whole freakin' mess is disgusting to me!

I had great "hopes", only great worries now. I am still thinking too early in, he has inherited so MUCH shit but when will it STOP!

I want him to pick up the "walk softly and carry a BIG stick" meme. THAT is what I voted for!
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 05:58 PM
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44. amen!
always laugh at the at "you have internet" bullcrap line some use - internet is like 3% of what a mortgage payment is, and some people use libraries or their neighbor's wifi signal.

yes, Pres. Obama is not doing what I hoped. He's not remotely as bad as McSame woulda been, but, outside of a few noticeable issues that I'm thrilled of the changes, he's the same on many fronts as Johnny woulda been.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 09:29 PM
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49. We need these words spoken (again) from the Oval Office:
"We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace--business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering.

They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.

Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me--and I welcome their hatred.

- FDR, October 1936
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 05:30 PM
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39. I'm shocked. K&R n't
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 05:32 PM
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40. O_M_F_G. i'm SO sick of this shit.
bastards, rapacious, obscene, out of control, evil bastards.


and no, we're not getting any meaningful health reform because.... i guess because we are sheep and let these guys (image below) be in control:




seriously, i feel like i'm going to throw up. pigs, f*cking pigs. :puke: :grr: :mad:


and rec#33 btw, people should know about this shit. :mad:


seriously, what do we do?? how do we fight this?? this makes me so mad, but we are completely helpless.

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givemebackmycountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 05:44 PM
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41. Goldman Sachs...what a monument to a "moral" and "Godly" United States.
What does Goldman Sachs produce?
What does Goldman Sachs manufacture?
What does Goldman Sachs contribute to the overall good and well being of the nation?

I think it was in the movie "The Godfather" where I first heard the line that you can steal more with a pen, than you can with a gun.

These people trade paper, they trade numbers, they trade air, they trade our dreams, and the more that we suffer the more they profit.
And the bigger the bonuses for these pigs become.

I am a peaceful man.
But, I'm almost ready to believe that maybe it's time we dragged the executives of Goldman Sachs and their bonus swelled pockets and egos down into the street, and we bash their fucking skulls in like a bunch of baby seals.

Just to send a message.
We ain't putting up with this bullshit anymore.

I know the above statement is over the top and I admit to being prone to hyperbole at times when I am mad.
I am so getting sick of this shit.
I'm 54 and hanging on by my fingernails and I am SO much more fortunate than most in that I have a good job.
But, that could change on a whim by the CEO and the stock price.

Enjoy your new Mercedes and BMW's assholes.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 05:56 PM
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42. We have no govt control on these dirty criminals... I don't trust our govt & that includes
everyone but a couple handfuls of reps & senators that stand up against this shit...

they are the death of the people... (the banks & the govt support of the rape of our treasury)
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pjt7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 06:02 PM
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46. Ha Ha! Goldman skull F-d us.. again
Edited on Sun Jun-21-09 06:02 PM by pjt7
HA! HA!

Geithner's Chief of Staff was Goldman's Top LOBBYIST!

HA! HA!

Nobody in the press ask Obama about this...
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 06:51 PM
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47. God I'm so fucking sick of this shit. No justice.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 07:20 PM
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48. Socialized capitalism at its best. nt
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 10:19 PM
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51. Fucking hell. It just keeps getting better and better
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