Another Guilty Plea in Clay County, KY Election Fraud Conspiracy Case

[BradBlog]

Source: BRAD BLOG, Herald-Leader



With 'Friends' Like This: Another Guilty Plea in Clay County, KY Election Fraud Conspiracy Case
Man charged with lying to officials about sending threatening photo showing gun to head of witnesses 'friended' on MySpace...

Following on the heels of this week's guilty plea to voter registration fraud charges by Mark Anthony Jacoby, the man who headed the company which ran the GOP's voter registration efforts in 2008, and last month's guilty plea by Republican election official Paul Bishop for his part in a broad election fraud conspiracy in Clay County, KY (and, oh yeah, we'll have more on the latest voter fraud allegations against Ann Coulter in the next day or two), comes this new disturbing development tonight in that KY case...

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[Kingofalldems]

1. Repubs would never stoop to fraud!

[havocmom]

2. Damn, now I know why the GOP fusses about ACORN! It's their projection again!

Man, I am getting slow in my old age. They've just been figuring ACORN is doing what their voter registration pushes do.

[DissedByBush]

4. ACORN has been committing fraud too

They already have some convictions under their belt.

The Repubs went on the publicity offensive from the beginning so when their fraud shows it's already been diluted in the news by ACORN's fraud.

[LiberalFighter]

6. ACORN does not condone fraud or encourage it.

[DissedByBush]

7. Yet it seems to happen so often n/t

[LiberalFighter]

8. It only appears to because of the GOP and the media

[DissedByBush]

12. It appears because it is true

Seventeen instances of fraud since 2004.

Twenty-one indictments, many cases still in progress.

Nine convictions so far.

That's only all I know of.

[MGKrebs]

13. The difference is this:

The ACORN cases that I am aware of involve people they pay to register voters. The registrars fake some applications so that they get paid more. No one is getting extra votes and there is no organized effort to falsely register voters. Their biggest crime is their poor oversight and ambitious quotas.

The Republican cases involve Republican OFFICIALS conspiring and organizing not just false registrations, but vote buying and threats.

Yes, ACORN's paid contractors are committing fraud, but the worst that happens is that ACORN wastes whatever money they are paying out. The states have to validate registrations anyway, and there is the argument that ACORN isn't really allowed to withhold applications that are submitted to them.

[DissedByBush]

14. With ACORN it happens so often

The organization officers are very good at insulating themselves from prosecution.

Honest, officer, we had no idea these people were faking registrations and we work hard to prevent it.

That's really working hard, with all the fraud after they said they would stop it.

Paid gatherers are employees. An organization is responsible for the illegal acts of its employees in the course of duty.

Such a large pattern of illegal acts within an organization is what RICO is for.

Did you ever think they purposely set up their payment method in a way that encourages fraud? They certainly haven't changed it after the fraud. I wonder why. Plausible deniability?

[BradBlog]

15. No, it doesn't.

It happens very rarely with ACORN, and in almost every case, it's caught by ACORN themselves! They are the ones who verify every registration before it's turned in, are the ones that flag registrations they can't verify as potentially fraudulent, they are the ones who then turn them in (flagged), as they are legally required to, and then notify officials about both the questionable registrations and the employees who submitted them.

There is not "such a large pattern of illegal acts", as you suggest. ACORN registered millions of voters, via some 13,000 employees in the 2008 cycle. There are relatively very few fraudulent registrations (almost all caught and flagged by ACORN themselves), and ZERO cases of "voter fraud" that have occurred from them, at least according to any available evidence.

You have either been fooled by the GOP/Fox hoax, or you know better, but don't care and are hoping to continue spreading the same disinformation. I'll assume the former, though I suspect the latter.

[DissedByBush]

19. I get the feeling

That if ACORN were a conservative group you would be raving mad about their actions, as much as you are about this Republican.

The difference between us is that I hate all voter fraud. I don't excuse fraud on my side just because it's on my side.

[MGKrebs]

21. Well sure. I would. Well, maybe not raving mad, but I would try to take advantage.

But I am partisan, and I would see it as an opportunity.

ACORN isn't doing the left or themselves any favors by being so lax in their oversight and the Repubs are taking advantage. But I see it as my job to push back where I can. I wouldn't try to defend them if I didn't think it was defensible, but my lack of complete and total balance in my actions does not mean ACORN is guilty of more than what they have been charged with.

"An organization is responsible for the illegal acts of its employees in the course of duty." That is not necessarily true.

[DissedByBush]

24. I am partisan

But I also abhor screwing with our electoral system. Any who are guilty should be in jail, period.

"That is not necessarily true. "

Honest officer, the Gambino family just hired those guys, it's not our fault they engaged in racketeering and extortion.

If your business model routinely produces felonies then you should be shut down under RICO, the officers sent to jail.

[TheMadMonk]

22. Let's see. ACORN:

• Individual employees commit fraud off their own bat.
  
• Employer maintains a rigorous internal auditing process.
  
• Employer catches employees committing fraud.
  
• Employer fires employee committing fraud.
  
• Employer rigorously follows the law.
  

Officials actually employed to conduct elections and operatives of a political party:

• interfere with actual ballots.
  
• destroy (or lose) ballots prior to counting.
  
• destroy ballots after counting when specifically instructed by the courts to preserve them.
  
• deny independent oversight of the counting process.
  
• intimidate voters.
  
• illegally purge voters from the rolls.
  
• issue wrong instructions to voters.
  
• block recounts.
  
• buy votes.
  
• apparently intimidate witnesses to their fraud in ongoing criminal trials.
  
• introduce legislation (voter ID) that disenfranchises voters in an unballanced fashion.
  
• allocates voting resources in an unballanced fashion.
  

Yes I can see how the two situations are stikingly parallel. :sarcasm:

(whoops screwed up my lists)

[No Elephants]

28. You, on the same side as ACORN?

:rofl:

[DissedByBush]

37. "and ZERO cases of "voter fraud" that have occurred from them"

You might want to check out the case of Darnell Nash.

[No Elephants]

43. Nash, a guy who voted from a false address, much like Ann Coulter. And?

This is the story:

Darnell Nash held on $10,000 bond in voter fraud case
Posted by Donna J. Miller/Plain Dealer Reporter June 21, 2009 07:01AM
Categories: Breaking News, Crime

Cuyahoga County Jail
Darnell D. NashCLEVELAND — Darnell Nash was arraigned Friday morning on charges of illegal voting, false registration and tampering with records.
The 24-year-old Cleveland man is accused of registering to vote nine times between May 31 and Sept. 30 last year using fraudulent names and addresses in Shaker Heights and Cleveland.

He used the names Maria Sanchez, Nick Slayona, Nicol Stewart, Niki Nash and Sandasha Nash, according to court records. He voted Sept. 30 at the Board of Elections using a false address, prosecutor's spokesman Ryan Miday said.

Cuyahoga County Common Pleas Judge Nancy Margaret Russo was assigned the case.

[Sydnie]

16. Crazy woman from the Fire David Letterman protest .... is that you?

Repeating lies doesn't make them real, just makes you noticeable.

[DissedByBush]

18. Lies?

You deny the indictments? You deny the convictions? They are public record.

[Sydnie]

27. I deny that ACORN ever was indicted as a group - indiviuals were

That's where the truth and lies have parted ways with your claims. I don't condone fraud but I watch the size of my brush to fit the facts. You should too.

[DissedByBush]

40. Indicted, no. Charged, yes.

ACORN was recently charged as a group with 39 felonies in Nevada stemming from 20 percent of its registrations being fraudulent and ACORN having a system that encourages such fraud.

The AG said something about ACORN not being able to hide behind its employees anymore.

[Sydnie]

42. I have two words for you

Nathan Sproul. Now there was some serious illegal activity in Nevada and other places.

[No Elephants]

32. The number of indictments and convictions, though, is the nly fact you've posted. The rest has been

typical con bs.

[fascisthunter]

38. .

[No Elephants]

31. The method of payment does not encourage fraud, except the frauds by those

who make accusations like this.

Some posters here seem to get way too much of their "information" from conservative sources.

[No Elephants]

29. Not a single one of those cases involved a vote. These clowns were buying VOTES, not

registrations to vote. Huge difference.

When you see ACORN doing things like these guys did (see Reply # 36 on this thread), get back to us.

Meanwhile, you may want to read some fact at the ACORN website, instead of bs from con websites.

http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=17851

Why do I get the feeling, though, that you won't be doing much reading at that link?

[DissedByBush]

41. Reading

"Why do I get the feeling, though, that you won't be doing much reading at that link?"

Probably because I expect a truckload of BS. But I read it. Same-old. No real defense of their illegal actions.

You also might want to check out Darnell Nash.

[No Elephants]

44. Their "illegal actions". Interesting words, especially since you posted on this very thread

that ACORN has never been convicted and has been charged only once, and that recently. The furor over ACORN grew considerably after Obama became a national figure, so I am not surprised that the only charge has been relatively recent. I'd bet the guy who charged them is a Republican, too. Under those circumstances, it is not very American, let alone very "liberal," for you to be throwing around a term like "defense of their illegal actions." However, the website does explain why the fake registrations turn up; and posters on this thread have also done a fair job of that as well.

Darnell Nash? He voted from a fake address, much like Ann Coulter. Is there any allegation by any credible source that ACORN forced him vote from a fake address? Or paid him to vote from a fake address? Anything remotely like the conduct described in Reply #36?

This is the story I found first about Nash, in its entirety.

Darnell Nash held on $10,000 bond in voter fraud case
Posted by Donna J. Miller/Plain Dealer Reporter June 21, 2009 07:01AM
Categories: Breaking News, Crime

Cuyahoga County Jail
Darnell D. NashCLEVELAND — Darnell Nash was arraigned Friday morning on charges of illegal voting, false registration and tampering with records.
The 24-year-old Cleveland man is accused of registering to vote nine times between May 31 and Sept. 30 last year using fraudulent names and addresses in Shaker Heights and Cleveland.

He used the names Maria Sanchez, Nick Slayona, Nicol Stewart, Niki Nash and Sandasha Nash, according to court records. He voted Sept. 30 at the Board of Elections using a false address, prosecutor's spokesman Ryan Miday said.

Cuyahoga County Common Pleas Judge Nancy Margaret Russo was assigned the case.

[No Elephants]

30. Not often at all, considering ACORN's been operating since 1970 and is national.

[alfredo]

17. Acorn was the one that brought the problems to the attention of

the county clerks. The organization is clean, some of their workers are not, so Acorn looks over their work and points out any signs of fraud. It's fraud against ACORN too because the workers get paid per voter registration.

[DissedByBush]

20. And promised that they'd work to make sure it never happened again

That was some years, and some indictments and convictions, ago.

[alfredo]

23. It's the piece work model they use. Most people are honest and will

turn in good results, but there's always those who want to game the system.

I used to do voter registration for our party and other groups. It can be hard, frustrating work. Some days you hit pay dirt, the next it is a lonely town. Your feet hurt, your throat is sore, and some sick kid sneezed on you.

[DissedByBush]

25. Then maybe they should change their model

Not doing it says to me they don't mind a bit of fraud.

[alfredo]

26. It's short term work. Anyway, is the percentage of fraud against ACORN

at a higher rate than stealing, industrial espionage, and sabotage in other businesses?

[No Elephants]

35. Change their model to what? NOT trying to register voters?

Yeah, registering voters just stinks to high heaven of democracy, doesn't it?

[No Elephants]

33. Working to prevent fraud does not equal being able to eliminate fraud.

[No Elephants]

34. BTW, this thread is about Republican VOTER fraud, not about ACORN.

[Downwinder]

3. Shouldn't this have been considered a terroristic threat? n/t

[sasquatch]

5. Damned republican briars are nothing but trouble

From Mitch the Bitch and that crazy ass Jim Bunning who used the acid after he got out of baseball.

[47of74]

9. Yes, and I am sure

Yes, and I am sure that FOX News will be covering this 24x7x365 for the next year or two.

[mrdmk]

10. K and R, also do not let the jail door hit you in the ass on the way in

It is about time some of these bullies be put away. There is no place for these people in our election system...

[troubledamerican]

11. Conspiracy theory = Crazy talk

This is America. This is DU. There are no conspiracies.

Ahem.

[No Elephants]

36. Now, this is VOTER fraud (as opposed to, say, having an employee

register Donald Duck)

Richard Brian Hubbard was charged with sending a threatening photo of himself holding a gun to two people who have cooperated in the investigation of the officials. Investigators say the photo was sent via MySpace.

Hubbard later told the FBI that he was on the witnesses' friends list and that he had not learned their identities from Charles Wayne Jones, an election official charged in the vote-fraud case.

Those statements were not true, Hubbard acknowledged in pleading guilty Monday in federal court in London.

Charges related to threatening the witnesses will be dropped when Hubbard is sentenced in October, according to his plea agreement.

Those charged with scheming to buy votes in Clay County are Jones; former Circuit Judge R. Cletus Maricle; school Superintendent Douglas Adams; county Clerk Freddy Thompson; William Stivers, who has been an election officer; and Bart Morris and his wife Debra, who own a waste-hauling company.

All have pleaded not guilty.

Paul Bishop, a former election officer, has pleaded guilty.

[fascisthunter]

39. well, well, well... busted!