CIA head says Cheney almost wishing US be attacked

[Old Coot]

Source: Associated Press

WASHINGTON – CIA Director Leon Panetta says former Vice President Dick Cheney's criticism of the Obama administration's approach to terrorism almost suggests "he's wishing that this country would be attacked again, in order to make his point."

Panetta told The New Yorker for an article in its June 22 issue that Cheney "smells some blood in the water" on the issue of national security.

Cheney has said in several interviews that he thinks Obama is making the U.S. less safe. He has been critical of Obama for ordering the closure of the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, halting enhanced interrogations of suspected terrorists and reversing other Bush administration initiatives he says helped to prevent attacks on the U.S.

<snip>

Panetta said of Cheney's remarks: "It's almost, a little bit, gallows politics. When you read behind it, it's almost as if he's wishing that this country would be attacked again, in order to make his point. I think that's dangerous politics."

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090614/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_panetta_cheney

[high density]

1. Almost?

heh.

[Number23]

71. I said the same thing! He's got his crystal ball and flying monkeys and is conjuring as we speak

[hlthe2b]

2. All hyperble aside, does anyone really think Cheney does NOT

wish for another attack? Even he would be "PC" enough to deny it, but I believe in his cold, dark, electronically-amplified and assisted heart, he truly prays for another attack before he "kicks" the mortal coil. I have NO doubt.

[ashling]

14. Ha! electronically-amplified and assisted heart,

pray for sun spots

[jeff30997]

15. Lol!

[asjr]

40. A heart in cold storage.

[Earth Bound Misfit]

42. Nearly choked on my coffee when I read this.

:rofl:

[Voice for Peace]

29. Maybe Cheney, in his infinite wisdom and love of keeping the American people safe,

is just using reverse psychology on the terrorists. By insisting we're less safe, he's going to trick the terrorists into conspiring to make us more safe.

[Jackpine Radical]

79. Dammit, don't bogart that thing. Pass it over here.

[indepat]

32. Were not the attacks of 9-11 most fortuitous in clearing the way for Cheney to implement

the longed-for RW PNAC agenda and making 2001 a very good year for junior and Laura? Please refute if these seeming truisms are but mere left-of-center poppycock. :P

[troubledamerican]

65. PNAC. Fool me twice.

Sitting ducks never learn.

[JDPriestly]

44. 9/11 was Cheney's moment in the sun. Of course, he yearns

for the drama, the excitement, the meaning of it. Yes, he is that demonic. Of course, he is quite nice about it, but then, have you ever seen the pictures of Adolf Hitler greeting German children? It's all smiles and flowers, I assure you. I'm not comparing Adolf Hitler to Cheney. I'm just saying that simply because a person can smile and be courteous does not mean they are not demonic. Authorizing torture is demonic. Starting a war for no good reason based on bad evidence is demonic.

[Raster]

47. Torturing people to create bad evidence to start a war is TRULY demonic.

[tavalon]

102. Cheney? Nice?

Never seen it. Ever.

[Xipe Totec]

61. Mortal coil? He's got an induction motor?

:evilgrin:

[The Blue Flower]

62. Good one!

nt

[Joe Bacon]

64. I'm waiting for Chandra's heart to reject him!

Only a matter of time before old Fat Fuck has to steal another heart.

[ErinBerin84]

3. get ready for the media outrage

for stating the plain truth.

[dhill926]

8. I'm afraid you're probably correct......

the pushback from the right wingers is going to be ferocious......

[pinto]

4. This was mentioned on MTP as well, in the Biden interview.

Biden stepped away from it a bit, graciously, saying he had never judged a person's motives in his years in politics, but had disagreed with a person's action. The Panetta quote was front and center, not just read but printed on the screen, though. And Biden let it stand at that.

Gregory was trying to rope Biden into taking a stand, agreeing or disagreeing, but Biden deftly let Panetta make the case. Gregory had to move on.

:thumbsup:

[onehandle]

5. We were attacked by terrorists. One killed a doctor. One killed a soldier. One killed a guard.

All terrorist attacks. All by right-wing radicals.

Cheney should be throwing a party.

[Old Coot]

6. One was Muslim. nt

[Bolo Boffin]

7. Still a right-wing radical. n/t

[onehandle]

52. Yep. Osama and his fan club are Right-Wing Radicals.

Al-Qaeda = Anti-Choice Fundamentalists = Racist Hate Groups

All cut from the same cloth.

[AlbertCat]

97. Al-Qaeda = Anti-Choice Fundamentalists = Racist Hate Groups

All supported by RELIGION.

[tavalon]

103. Yup

[Xenotime]

46. Exactly. Right wing terrorists have mounted a full assault and we aren't doing ANYTHING to stop it.

[dickthegrouch]

9. Of course he is....

That would give him and his cronies in Halliburton a perfect excuse to go and waste another $100,000,000,000 of our money on his pet weapons. (Yes, I know that's not what they tell us it has cost so far, I don't believe them).

[myrna minx]

10. Almost? n/t

[Turborama]

11. Something I've been thinking for quite a while now

Good to see this train of thought finally getting through to the MSM, especially when it's made by the CIA's Director.

:kick: & R

[Frustratedlady]

12. I'm glad someone finally said it in public...God knows we've been saying it...

Cheney is having fun. He can't put away his schoolyard bullying habits.

How old is he now? Sheesh!

[truthisfreedom]

13. Not wishing... ASKING. BEGGING. DEMANDING. Just to make his cynical point.

He's beyond traitorous. He's public enemy number 1.

[MilesColtrane]

16. The snarling android wishes for another attack to justify his legacy of...

...repression, torture, fear, and Constitutional crimes.

If it's shocking enough it might also influence a judge hearing a case against Cheney for war crimes.

[intheflow]

96. That's exactly why he wants an attack.

To save his butt from the Hague once and for all. While he may not actually get to the hague (so much the shame), his reputation is destroyed historically for his support and implementation of torture policies.

[Chemisse]

17. Well he is certainly telling the world we are less safe now

If he really believes that, to announce it to the world is an invitation.

I would not be at all shocked if he helped set up an attack, slipped a little key information to some eager terrorists. He is rotten to the core; nothing short of him being Satan come to life, would shock me.

[sasquuatch55]

43. Like the so called recent terrorist conspiracy attack of that NYC synagog?

Was he involved with that? I wouldn't be surprised.

[calimary]

18. I'm glad somebody finally said this. Sure feels like it to me, too.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's called his pal "Curveball" or ahmed chalabi to try to get something started - just so he can go back on "Meet the Press" and say "I TOLD YOU SO." I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he's up to some black ops with his pal eric prince and the former Blackwater (now Xe) people. I shudder to think who and what he has listed in his own "little black book." And as he gets more desperate that the facts keep failing him, it would NOT surprise me in the least if he tried to put his proverbial thumb on the scale again.

[Arkana]

85. Curveball's not dead?

I'd have thought someone in prison would have shanked him for turning traitor.

[chill_wind]

19. If Cheney wanted more attention, he just got it

and not of the real friendly kind, sounds like. Panetta is calling him out. Well past time somebody inside the O-Team says ENOUGH. Good!

[mvd]

20. K&R

for truth.

[boomerbust]

21. Its called

Conservative Patriotism

[orbitalman]

22. Cheney is such an ASS

The only ones I like are my wife's and those associated with butts. Seems to me Cheney is setting the country up for another attack. Only Obama will catch it then get the credit. Idiot Cheney. No wonder the GOP is faltering. Raised as a GOP'er, I saw the light years ago.

[SpartanDem]

23. There is no almost

I think Cheney would help plan an attack just prove his point.

[truthisfreedom]

26. He helped plan the first one. I have no doubt he orchestrated the whole affair.

He only wishes he had the cooperation and power to do it again. He intended to have that power, but the American People took the country back.

[gauguin57]

24. I'm almost wishing that Dick Cheney ... oh, never mind. Can't think of anything horrible enough.

Can't complete that sentence without tapping into the absolute darkest-pit part of my soul.

[Turborama]

80. I know exactly how you feel.

You're right, best not to go there.

[bluestateguy]

25. Please do not pull a Dick Durbin and apologize

Stand firm, and tell the apology police to go jump in a lake.

[beltanefauve]

90. You beat me too it

Please, no apologies or retractions this time!

[tex-wyo-dem]

27. Yes, Mr. Panetta...dangerous politics, indeed...

But not half as dangerous as the man himself...just keep that in mind.

[Hatalles]

28. Exactly. k/r

[Fly by night]

30. Well, if anyone knows how to "arrange" an attack on this country, it would be Cheney.

If I were a Tweeter, I would be typing in #cheneyheartfail.

[madrchsod]

31. "panetta" .....that name don`t sound amerikin !

when the current head of the cia puts the smackdown on uncle dickie....it`s time for for uncle dickie to retire to his bunker.

i wonder how leon`s house cleaning is going.

[Enthusiast]

92. It sure ain't regular Mericun, nt

[Butch350]

33. Cheney should be careful what he wishs for...

the terrorists could attack him.

[get the red out]

38. Not if they want to get paid

[Butch350]

39. I hear ya.

[earth mom]

34. Oh shit, what the fuck does Cheney have up his sleeve now?!

:yoiks:

:scared:

[bobburgster]

35. About time someone points out the obvious.

[skepticscott]

36. Cheney and a few million other neocons

They've been wishing fervently for it since 12:01 on January 20th.

[get the red out]

37. Cheney needs to be watched

Someone actually loyal to our country needs to keep an eye on what he is doing and who he is associating with. Nothing would make this man happier (and potentially richer through the military industry) than if he could experience 911 all over again.

[shadowknows69]

41. Watch the TV series "Jericho" on DVD to find out what happens next

Cheney probably has the pilot script on his desk figuring out how to implement it.

Has Xe/Blackwater changed it's name to Ravenwood yet?

[MadMaddie]

77. I wonder if that show got cancelled because they were

pressured by * admin? The show was well written and it was scary as hell to think of the possibility but I tell you I don't think it was far off from reality.

[get the red out]

99. +1

I wondered the same.

[and-justice-for-all]

45. I had'nt noticed....

:sarcasm:

[underpants]

48. I thought he was just wishing for a book deal

the only other reasonable conclusion is that he is helping to prep the battlefield for a big move against Pakistan

[Hulk]

49. Why is that war criminal scum bag still walking the streets????

Bad enough we have to put up with his spawn on the national networks trying to whitewash daddy's crimes.

darth cheney needs to be behind bars where he belongs.

A lower life form doesn't exist on our soil.

[yoyossarian]

50. Methinks Dick Cheney is NOT a very nice man.

He feeds on fear and horror.
He has no limits; he makes NO distinctions.
And he is still amongst us.

Be afraid. Be VERY afraid.



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Great gift tee shirts, mugs, buttons and other cool stuff at


Laugh City!

President Evil Online has risen from the grave!

[No Elephants]

51. Biden handled this very well on MTP this a.m., as follows:

"MR. GREGORY: You know Dick Cheney well. Leon Panetta, head of the CIA, told the New Yorker this about his recent speech: "I think smells some blood in the water on the national security issue. It's almost, a little bit, gallows politics. When you read behind it, it's almost as if he's wishing that this country would be attacked again, in order to make his point. I think that's dangerous politics." Do you agree with that?

VICE PRES. BIDEN: Look, I, I, I learned a long time ago from a guy named Mike Mansfield, never question another man's motive. You've never once heard me in my entire career question a man's motive. I think Dick Cheney's judgment about how to secure America is faulty. I think our judgment is correct. I don't question his motive."




BTW, what the hell is Panetta saying anyway? When someone "almost" makes a wish--no matter what it is--that's dangerous politics?


"Panetta said of Cheney's remarks: "It's almost, a little bit, gallows politics. When you read behind it, it's almost as if he's wishing that this country would be attacked again, in order to make his point. I think that's dangerous politics.'"


Did any so-called journalist even ask him what he meant? Or do we accept any droppings from the mouth of someone in government?

[DissedByBush]

53. What's new?

We had some people wishing the Iraq war would fail for political advantage.

Asshats on both sides. Although Cheney is king of the asshats.

[me b zola]

54. Link please

[shadowknows69]

55. Oh, have we succeeded in Iraq? I missed that report.

[panzerfaust]

68. I always knew that we would win?

Glad to hear here that mission is (finally) accomplished.

Are the troops heading home now?

[No Elephants]

60. Remind me, please: After we captured Saddam, with whom were we at war in Iraq?

[ldf]

84. if i remember correctly we didn't capture saddam

he was planted in a spidey hole, from which he couldn't escape, and we were told where to find him.

he was given to us. we didn't "capture" saddam.

[ronnie624]

98. Wishing for an end to the brutal, unjustifiable aggression of one state against another

is not the same as wishing, as a result of political motives, for your own country to be attacked. The logic that equates the two must be tortuous.

[DissedByBush]

111. Wishing for us to fail in Iraq

Before the election because if we succeeded it might make the Republicans look good.

Who cares if people die as long as we have our power.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

56. Cheney wins the ex Vice President nuisance award

I think Dan Quayle was more balanced than this one!

[RufusTFirefly]

57. I hope Panetta's remarks gets lots and lots of publicity

Then, if -- heaven forbid -- something should happen, more Americans will show the skepticism they've lacked up to this point.

I think Cheney's statements are way more threatening than any of the periodic Osama Bin Laden bogey man videos.

[Swede Atlanta]

58. Cheney hates America......

Yes....Dick would love to see the homeland attacked. He doesn't care if innocent Americans are harmed or killed as long as he can gloat that he was right that not torturing people meant that Obama was making the country less safe. He is a prick royale.

[ConcernedCanuk]

59. Cheney or no Cheney - the USA will get attacked again

.
.
.

Ya just can't going around being the bully of the World and not expect SOMEONE to attack you in the future.

Millions killed/maimed/displaced by the USA's aggression in the last few decades -

Generations of hate being created across the globe

Someone, if not many, will be trying to avenge these atrocities in the future.

You don't get away with slaughtering people's families and loved ones without paying . .

sooner or later.

(sigh)

[troubledamerican]

63. PNAC. New Pearl Harbor. Blah blah blah.

Sitting ducks.

[SpiralHawk]

66. "Sneer" - xVP Dickie 'Five Military Deferments' Cheney (R - Homelander)

"Damn you Americans."

- xVP Dickie 'Five Military Deferments' Cheney (R - Homelander)

[panzerfaust]

69. Other priorites

He needs to floss

[panzerfaust]

67. BULLSHIT!!

There is no 'almost' about it.

[rasputin1952]

70. Miserable bastard is only trying to justify his own despicable position...

What he's doing borders on treason. If there is an attack on this country, it woun't be "Obama's fault", it will be cheneys'...it would not surprise me to find out he'd bankroll an attack...the "man" is a piece of shit...x(

[muntrv]

72. His lawyer Addington said "we're one terrorist attack from getting rid of that

bad law" regarding FISA.

[New Dawn]

73. "Wishing"? He is probably PLANNING the next attack!

[kestrel91316]

76. B I N G O

[nankerphelge]

74. And when we are it is incumbent...

on everyone to point the finger directly in his face and say that his actions and the policies he implemented are responsible.

[Douglas Carpenter]

75. KICK AND RECOMMEND!!!

[rschop]

78. re: Cheney wishing US be attacked again

HELLO, HELLO, WHAT THE HELL ELSE IS NEW!

There is now absolute iron clad proof found right from the US government’s own web sites and source that show that the attacks on 9/11 were deliberately and intentionally allowed by people in our own government. There is even evidence that shows this was most likely intentionally allowed by people in the Bush White House.

So this new information is absolutely consistent with what happened in the attacks on 9/11. So, the question is, why would anybody be surprised at this news?

[Swagman]

81. it's a conspiracy : Cheney & Rush Limpballs want America to fail

[burning rain]

82. "Almost" in about the same sense that you could "almost" say....

that Barbara Bush "almost" seemed callous when she made her remark about Katrina victims having it pretty good in the Superdome 'cause they were underprivileged anyway.

[Stinger2]

83. Blackwater, Cheney's Secret Army, Changes Name to "Xe". Beware!

Blackwater, Cheney's Secret Army, Changes Name to "Xe". Beware!

In the last eight years, many of the tasks formerly associated with the U.S. military have been privatized and outsourced in a wholesale way—from guard duty for U.S. diplomats to peeling potatoes and delivering the mail, not to speak of building and maintaining the U.S. bases that now dot the Middle East and Afghanistan. Without its private crony corporations, the Pentagon might be on something like life support. Blackwater operates a military training operation that is larger than the boot camps and training units in many of the world's militaries.

http://www.samspadesf.com/2009/02/blackwater-cheneys-secret-army-changes.html

Cheney still has ties to all his old buddies, he has the money and friends that use oil as a reason to get in and out of any country in the world. They could hire guns, say in Nigeria to disrupt oil supply that kicks up oil prices. Cheney has showed his ability to go around any laws even international laws of torture without prosecution, he still has a large amount of power that could do about anything.


Conspiracy theory or to conspire to cover your own ass anyway necessary, to be continued……………..

[Prophet 451]

86. Naturally

Why is this a surprise? 9/11 allowed Cheney (and it's increasingly clear that he was in the driver's seat of that administration) to ram through every police-state, liberty destroying measure he wanted at home, kick off two wars he wanted abroad and provice hundreds of lucrative boondoggles for his buddies in the business class. Another attack, especially on Obama's watch, would let the Republicans (assissted by their collaborators in the MSM) blame it on Obama, remove him from power if possible (Insta-impeachment procedings) and certainly ensure he loses the following election. That would put the R's back in charge with Cheney either in the admin of pulling strings. There is a decent argument that the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq were deliberately designed to devolve into this clusterf*ck for similar reasons.

Yes, he really is that coldbloodedly evil. Even his friends call him Darth.

Look, I don't like to do this very often but criminology and criminal psychology are hobbies of mine. I'm not professionally qualified, just a very well read amateur but in this case, I don't need to be qualified because Cheney's entire manner and history scream "PSYCHOPATH" at deafening volume. I'm using that word in it's full technical sense. The psychopath is not always violent (although I really wouldn't be surprised to discover Cheney had a hobby of dismembering hitchhikers) but they completely lack conscience, empathy or inhibitions. Everything in the psychopath's life, every decision they make, is based on how much it would benefit them. That is the only factor that comes into play. You know that little voice in your head that tells you to play by society's rules (mostly)? That you shouldn't smack the guy taking an age at the ATM or the counter idiot at Burger King who can't comprehend "hold the pickles"? Psychopaths don't have that. Their only consideration is how much it would benefit them and what the likely consequences would be.

When 9/11 happened, Cheney didn't care about the 3000-or-so dead. His only consideration was how it could be used to his advantage. Two wars, draconian national security laws and however many dead later, that is still the only thing he cares about. The theory of deliberately botching the wars follows that. If the wars were quickly won (which was possible), what does Cheney get out of it? Not much. Plus they would start pumping oil in Iraq, bringing the price down. However, if both areas are plunged into chaos, no oil can be moved, pushing the price up and adding to Cheney's fortune. OK, a lot of people will die but what does he care? It's not him or his loved ones (yes, psychopath's can feel love although not in the same way that we do) on the firing line so they don't matter to him in the slightest.

This man shouldn't be on a talk show. He should be in a secure facility somewhere.

[disndat]

109. Cheney didn't "let" 9/11 happen

Cheney MADE 9/11 happen. Reports by bonafide engineers say that the planes, even with fully loaded fuel tanks could not have brought down the twin towers in such a short time. The key is that the security company owned by one of Bush's brother removed the bomb sniffing dogs shortly before the attack.

[Prophet 451]

110. Not getting into that one n/t

[vanboggie]

87. He should be prosecuted for his crimes

He wouldn't be so mouthy if he was where he should be - in a prison cell or worse...whatever the penalty for multiple counts of treason is these days.

[shellgame26]

88. Good for Panetta

speaking out about this. That evil bastards still has too many moles in government.

[caseymoz]

89. It is getting hit by terrorists: right wing extremists. nt

[livefreest]

91. Thank you, Leon Panetta. what have you been waiting for?

[Enthusiast]

93. There is no doubt in my mind

that Cheney and his dark forces would enact some sort of domestic terrorist attack if they could get away with it so as to blame President Obama, maybe something like a dirty bomb. I believe I am entirely reasonable in thinking this.

[Auggie]

94. Same here, and it wouldn't surprise me to learn

they were working on it right now.

[sattahipdeep]

95. At Justice, according to the magazine, the cases have languished.

Helgerson also said he had sent several cases involving CIA interrogations to the Justice Department for possible prosecution. In one from November 2003, termed a homicide, an Iraqi detainee at the Abu Ghraib prison died from asphyxiation after being hooded and hung by his arms while suffering from broken ribs.

....
CIA Director Leon Panetta fired Mitchell, Jessen & Associates and all other contractors that aided the CIA in its interrogations of alleged terrorists, the New Yorker reported this weekend.

The firings took place in April, around the same time the Senate Armed Services Committee reported on the role played by James Mitchell and Bruce Jessen in developing "countermeasures to defeat" the resistance of captured enemy detainees from whom intelligence was being sought.

" He also said he supported at one time the creation of a "truth commission" to look into the subject. But after Obama said in late April that he did not want to look as if he was going after either former president George W. Bush or former vice president Richard B. Cheney, Panetta said, "everyone kind of backed away from it."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/14/AR2009061402819.html

The unanimity of the targets........Panetta called Cheney's actions "dangerous politics."

[KansDem]

100. Uh-oh! Is it time for his daughter...uh, "GOP Strategist," to make another round...

...of appearances on CorpMedia's talk shows?





GO, LIZ!!!

[tavalon]

104. Ever notice how he only has one daughter?

[KansDem]

106. Yes, I've noticed...

Mary is rarely mentioned...

[tavalon]

107. She suffers from teh gay, you know

So, they just don't mention her. Poor Cheneys, such is their cross to bear. :eyes:

[disndat]

101. I was overjoyed when Obama

appointed old Washington hand, Leon Panetta to the post of C.I.A. Director. At last! Panetta has come up with a mind-boggling scenario, what Cheney in his madness had schemed. IMHO, the torture of Muslim detainees were meant to provoke Al Queda further.

[liberal N proud]

105. He speaketh the truth

And he will be castrated by the media for it.

[SemperEadem]

108. if this country gets attacked again

it will be by some guy(s) who look exactly like cheney. But that will be ok because they looked like cheney.