Wright: Jews blocking him from W.H.

[WriteDown]

Source: Politico

President Obama's former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, believes Jews are preventing him from getting in touch ...

... with the president of the United States, reports the Hampton Roads Daily Press.

The Daily Press: "Wright says he does not feel any regrets over his severed relationship with President Barack Obama, a former member of the Chicago church in which Wright was the longtime pastor.

"Wright also said that he had not spoken to his former church member since Obama became president, implying that the White House won't allow Obama to talk to him. He did not indicate whether he had tried to reach Obama…

"Asked if he had spoken to the President, Wright said: 'Them Jews aren't going to let him talk to me. I told my baby daughter, that he'll talk to me in five years when he's a lame duck, or in eight years when he's out of office…They will not let him to talk to somebody who calls a spade what it is. ... I said from the beginning: He's a politician; I'm a pastor. He's got to do what politicians do.'".....



Read more: http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0609/expastor_returns_5b296cdf-74a5-41c0-a62e-ea16ad1a0577.html

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I'm getting really tired of this anti-semite crap.

[Dennis Donovan]

1. "Them Jews?"

:eyes:

[Raksha]

42. "Them Jews" in this context means Rahm Emmanuel.

Hell, Mr. DLC wouldn't let ANY progressive talk to Obama if he could help it--not even a progressive Jew. Bad choice of words on Rev. Wright's part, though.

[question everything]

73. Then refer to him as Rahm Emanuel

How would Wright liked it had anyone referred to him as "that black," or worse?

[MrBig]

97. I think "bad choice of words" is an understatement

If he was talking about just Rahm Emanuel, referring to "them Jews" is improper as it seems to indicate a plural.

Of course if he wasn't simply referring to Rahm Emanuel but rather his belief in some Jewish conspiracy, the word choice would make more sense.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

182. Just a racist speaking his mind.

[zonkers]

194. Good choice of words if you want to get into the news cycle.

i

[Butch350]

146. Progressive is no more than a cliche...

overused and under undertstood.

[JerseygirlCT]

162. That doesn't let him off the hook in the least, IMO

That was a bigoted thing to say, plain and simple. No explanation or dislike of Rahm gets around that.

[Maru Kitteh]

191. It's not a bad choice of words if you're a bigoted asswipe and you don't care who knows it

Nice mind-reader spin ya had goin' there though.

[AzDar]

2. Oy vey.

:eyes:

[berni_mccoy]

34. Lately, we're needing to say that a lot more frequently.

[sakabatou]

3. If you can't come up with a good explanation, go blame the Jews

Fucking asshat.

[bluestateguy]

4. Anytime someone starts a sentence with "The Jews..." I become suspicious

Not that such language is necessarily anti-Semitic, but let's just say I apply strict scrutiny.

[Dennis Donovan]

7. Not just "the Jews" but "THEM Jews..."

That difference speaks volumes about Wright, IMO...

[ChazII]

11. Agreed. n/t

[TrogL]

185. any sentence claiming a specific attribute about "the [group]" is immediately suspect

Authoritarians often talk about "the Jew", "the gay" etc. as if each individual shared all attributes. It's the logical fallacy at the core of racism.

[skooooo]

5. wackadoo. nt

[bluedeminredstate]

6. Why does he say shit like this?

I think he's so angry at Obama that he's says shit he knows will be extensively covered from Hardball to Faux. Does he really think there's an army of Jews holding up the phone bank at the WH?




:crazy:

[Burma Jones]

17. He just might be hurt that Rahm Emanuel has so much of Obama's ear

maybe not though........them Jews" killed Jeebus y'know.....yeesh

Shades of Hymietown.......

[AngryAmish]

134. He says it because he believes it

He is totally sincere.

[mallard]

196. Re: semi-humorous, semi-serious

You wrote:

"Does he really think there's an army of Jews holding up the phone bank at the WH?"

It seems if there really is a veritable 'shadow-corps' of power lobbyists and affiliates in government, calling the shots, especially regarding foreign policy and 'neo-fabricated war' with influence enough to occupy 40% of all available seating at our now-very-expensive top universities, and with primary interests in remaining democraphically domininant as a distinct social class, well then, there's also - really - absolutely no approach left open for ... solutions to the maniacal imbalance of human worth which has been quite aggressively arranged.

Anyone who speaks out is automatically designated as the primary threat to a healthy society. I'd say a baby born into a American Black family deserves a better than 1/10,000th-the-likelihood chance of going to med school as it would have if born to Jewish parents.

That's a real 'problem' needing attention, IMO.

[Captain Hilts]

8. Okay, where are his defenders now?

Oprah left his church after 2 years because she realized he was batshit crazy.

[Name removed]

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[FrenchieCat]

10. I'm getting fucking tired of

Politico and it's "News"!

[MADem]

25. It's not POLITICO. It's a newpaper out of Hampton Roads that published the report.

POLITICO just copied/pasted.

Here's the ORIGINAL source--a publication about as far from POLITICO as one can get: http://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-local_wright_0610jun10,0,7603283.story

[EFerrari]

53. This seems (to me) an obvious attempt to stir up trouble

just like the reports that black voters passed Prop 8, which was impossible.

It's just more of the same.

I have a big intuitive reaction to any kind of bigotry, can't help it. But this sounds more like the media trying to make trouble to me.

[CreekDog]

70. Did he say it or didn't he?

this is indefensible and whatever motive there was in publishing it is less important than that he said it and what it says about him --that he's a bigot who should have ZERO credibility with any of us.

:rant:

[EFerrari]

71. Do you even know what he said?

If he went off on a diatribe about Jews, yes, that is indefensible.

Do we know that's what he did? It's hard to keep in mind how all his other cherry-picked statements were broadcast in the media and not be suspicious of this report.

But, good job, telling me what I should think in the absence of confirmation. :shrug:

[CreekDog]

74. if his statements were "cherry-picked" then he still said the "them Jews" comment

and to me, as long as it said that (whether as part of a longer diatribe or ON ITS OWN, i don't care if it was in a 1000-page book, everything he says is worthless to me.

this crap has got to stop. :rant:

the only reed you have left is that maybe he didn't say that.

stop defending this guy unless you don't actually think he said "them Jews".

[EFerrari]

81. I understand that you are upset and I'm not asking you not to be upset.

And I'm not reaching for any reed but waiting to fill in what I know because this guy hasn't ever been reported accurately.

If you need to judge Wright immediately, that's fine. I know our media well enough to hold off because like so many reports, this could be b#llshit. If you don't like that, I don't know what to say to you. I have zero tolerance for anti-Semites. I also have zero tolerance for bullshit in our media.

[CreekDog]

86. The only thing that will fix this for me is if Wright did not say it

if those two words came out of his mouth, and i'm assuming based on the report that they did, we should all be upset.

[EFerrari]

90. I guess that's fair enough. But what I fully expect to find out is

that this was a media created flap to swipe at the president. We'll see soon enough.

[cali]

114. bwahahahaha. yeah, EFerrari, that's the ticket. The media put a gun to poor old Wright's beautiful

head and made him say it. You are really a mega apologist in this thread for ugly bigotry. Congrats!

[totodeinhere]

92. The audio of Wright's comment is on the Net.

It can't be any more cut and dried than that. How can you possibly say that "this could be b#llshit" when we have him on audio saying it? Come on now, how can you possibly spin this to somehow be the media's fault?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/06/10/rev_wright_them_jews_wont_let_obama_talk_to_me.html

[EFerrari]

95. Thanks for that link.

I hadn't heard it.

And the day I don't question the media, please call 911 out to my place.

[totodeinhere]

96. But the media were right this time, weren't they? n/t

[EFerrari]

168. It looks like they were. Or, I should say, it sounds like they were. n/t

[struggle4progress]

104. Unsurprisingly, the alleged controversial words are essentially inaudible

What-you-think(?) they'll let him talk to me
or
How-can-you-think(?) they'll let him talk to me

After listening a dozen times, I honestly still can't tell what he said

[DLnyc]

156. Yes, I listened about ten times. Completely unintelligible

The discussion will continue, though, as if it's an established fact that he said what was reported.

>Sigh<

[clear eye]

166. Those two words are definitely not on the audio you linked to.

There is an abrupt sort of skip which could indicate a cut after he said "How could you|let ** him talk to me?" The skip being where I put the divider. There is nothing that even vaguely sounds like it could be "them Jews" on that audio. But since something seems very likely to have been cut, who knows? I'm witholding judgement.

[Behind the Aegis]

167. He said it.

Rev. Wright: I Meant to Say “Zionists” Are Keeping Me from Talking to President Obama -- Not Jews

[clear eye]

175. The explanation sounds worse than the original remark.

Now not only does he feel that Jews keep him from the President (and not simply staffers carrying out the President's wishes), but he also has a totally one-sided view of the Israel/Palestine situation. Since the staffers' views of the Palestinian situation have no bearing on Wright's admittance into Pres. Obama's presence, the explanation comes off as a gratuitous slam against Israel's right to exist. Just have to keep wondering why no matter what manner of injustice the U.S. has inflicted on this or that portion of the world, the reaction is almost never that the U.S. must cease to exist, even when the speaker is so angry that they feel the U.S. should be somehow punished. Or Australia (another country created by colonization) or any country other than Israel. Sheesh! And people wonder why Jews feel that they need a country. Bigotry, even from the mouth of a member of a long-oppressed ethnic group, always sounds ugly.

[The Stranger]

188. That could be the most bizarre, twisted, perversion of a post I have ever seen.

Where oh where did Rev. Wright mention "Israel's right to exist"?

Please link to it and cite to it, line and verse.

[TankLV]

178. Oh for chrissakes! You're really trying to DEFEND ASSHOLE WRIGHT?!!!

STILL?!!!

unfuckingbelievable...

[TankLV]

187. What do you mean "if"?

One thing we KNOW for sure - wright's and ASSHOLE - and he PROVES it DAILY...

[Maru Kitteh]

192. No - Wright saying "Them JEWS" to a reporter causes trouble.

Not the reporting of it.

I'm sure you or I or any multitude of people could find a way to express disappointment or even bitterness without resorting to bigoted language.

[Jim Sagle]

105. It's not ABOUT Politico.

And I'M getting fucking tired of the excuses people dredge up for behavior like Rev. Wright's.

[Bluebear]

128. I wouldn't bother in this case

But good luck.

[Taverner]

12. Mister Wright, you lost me

Buh- bye

[Yupster]

By "Them Jews"

I think he was referring to David Bowie, Iggy Popp and Lou Reed.

[Taverner]

130. Naw he meant "them shoes"

Prada, Manolo and Piperlime

[El Supremo]

13. Well, somebody needs to. n/m

[rockymountaindem]

14. lol

[MADem]

26. That's probably the most enjoyable comment in this entire thread! nt

[MrsMatt]

190. And STILL is n/t

[hughee99]

15. If by "Jews" he's referring to Rahm Emanuel

maybe he's right. If Obama wanted to call him, he could. I'd be surprised Obama has talked to him at some point (via phone, text or email), but Wright wants the photo-op and Obama's people don't want to give it to him. There's nothing good that will come of it from Obama's standpoint and it's not worth the grief.

[madrchsod]

22. i doubt there is any love between rahm and rev wright.

rahm is`t well liked by the liberals and progressives in illinois

[Freddie Stubbs]

35. I doubt that Illinois Nazis like him very much either

[EFerrari]

49. Rahm and the Reverend are both on that list.

[vincent_vega_lives]

184. Somthing Wright and the Illinois Nazis have in common

they both think dem "Jews" really run the world.

[MADem]

29. I don't think Obama has talked to him, emailed him, texted him, or even said his name

without putting "Fucking" in front of it since the Not-So-Good Reverend went off like a nutcase at the Press Club. I don't think Obama ever wants to see, hear, or speak to that guy, ever again.

I don't think Obama LIKES the guy much, anymore. Wright was not a friend to him. He took a bad situation, and deliberately made it worse, because in Wright's view, it was all about him.

It ain't "them Jews" keeping Wright at bay. It's Obama who's made the decision to keep that nutball off the wires and out of his life.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

100. Do you remember

the Bill Moyers interview with Wright that was broadcast the night before that National Press Club nightmare?

He came across as a measured, thoughtful, very, very intelligent, composed man with a striking resume who handled himself like a real pro.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04252008/profile.html

The guy I saw the next day at the NPC was someone else entirely, right down to the Nation Of Islam bodyguards.

As schizoid as anything I've ever witnessed..............

[MADem]

106. Something plainly is amiss with that guy, and has been for some time. NT

[deaniac21]

183. It only took him 20 years.

[AngryAmish]

58. Mr. Emanuel is a person - singular. Them is plural.

The most Rev. is referring to the secret cabal of Jews that run everything. It is a common and disgusting conspiracy theory.

[harun]

159. He means Rahm and his staff, hence the plural.

[Behind the Aegis]

163. And his staff is all Jews? You wrote the reverand's rant?

[JerseygirlCT]

131. I think Obama feels betrayed by Wright as much as Wright

seems to feel betrayed by Obama.

[Dorian Gray]

144. You are probably right...

I'm sure they both feel betrayed by the other. I don't understand, for the life of me, how Reverend Wright can possibly take that betrayal out on "them Jews!" That's horrible.

[JerseygirlCT]

161. I guess, sadly, it shows that prejudice comes in all shapes

and colors. You'd think someone like that, in his position, would have learned the empathy necessary to leave that sort of bigotry behind. Unfortunately, he seemingly has a way to go.

[mamaleah]

147. Then he could have said. "Them" anything is pretty offensive

to most.

[imdjh]

16. And everybody hates the Jews

Oh, the white folks hate the black folks,
And the black folks hate the white folks.
To hate all but the right folks
Is an old established rule.

But during National Brotherhood Week, National Brotherhood Week,
Lena Horne and Sheriff Clarke are dancing cheek to cheek.
It's fun to eulogize
The people you despise,
As long as you don't let 'em in your school.

Oh, the poor folks hate the rich folks,
And the rich folks hate the poor folks.
All of my folks hate all of your folks,
It's American as apple pie.

But during National Brotherhood Week, National Brotherhood Week,
New Yorkers love the Puerto Ricans 'cause it's very chic.
Step up and shake the hand
Of someone you can't stand.
You can tolerate him if you try.

Oh, the Protestants hate the Catholics,
And the Catholics hate the Protestants,
And the Hindus hate the Muslims,
And everybody hates the Jews.

But during National Brotherhood Week, National Brotherhood Week,
It's National Everyone-smile-at-one-another-hood Week.
Be nice to people who
Are inferior to you.
It's only for a week, so have no fear.
Be grateful that it doesn't last all year!




But seriously, it seems like that. I was watching a video showing civil unrest in Mexico, and was astonished at what one man said.

"The Jews have ruled America since 1624." That's the quote as best I can remember it. Mind you, this man might easily be mistaken for what papers amazingly refer to as a "Mexican peasant" implying I assume that he is not educated and makes his living picking vegetables. I found it most interesting that this comment was so specific, dating the alleged Jewish conquest of America (not clear on whether he means all of North America, just Mexico, or the US) to a specific year. I was astonished. It's not that I didn't think there was racism in Mexico, simply that I wasn't aware that there was anti-semitism.

[MADem]

18. Uh oh. He's just taken a one way trip to Total Crankville!! And he'll never return!

Obama is well-known for his emotionless pragmatism. If he doesn't need someone, they're dead to him.

That's not a criticism, it's a good trait to have, to some extent, when you have to make decisions of the highest order. It's pointless to spend time getting agitated about conditions that cannot be changed.

Wright is a "condition that cannot be changed." The man is toxic. Whether that's due to him just being a bigoted ass, or if it's because he's suffering from the onset of dementia, is hard to determine. In any event, he's dead to Obama. He'd better start wrapping his brain around that simple reality.

I don't think Obama will have anything to do with Wright, ever again, if he can help it. If Wright died, he'd probably let the press office write the prepared statement, and not change a single word of whatever they ginned up.

And "them JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOZ" at the White House (to say nothing of those of all faiths, or none, who answer the switchboards) will probably make damn sure he doesn't get past that switchboard, EVER.

EVER!! Because he's dead to them, too!

Pathetic old fool. What a jerk. He just "needs" to bask in that spotlight, so he says outrageous things to make it happen--he can't stand retirement in the shadows!

[imdjh]

38. But the fascinating thing is that the statement was STUPID

Even if you harbor dislike, distrust, hatred, or animosity towards a group of people, if you are a public figure then you have to know better than to make such a remark where it will be heard, read, or repeated.

Wright likes the sound of his own voice, no doubt about it. But has he lost his mind?

[MADem]

41. I think he is probably headed towards dementia. Either that, or he's a racist asshole.

Or possibly, he's got both of those issues on his plate.

[LeftishBrit]

19. Sounds like a paranoid twit, who, like many paranoid twits, blames the Jews for everything

[Captain Hilts]

21. If only Jews were truly that organized! nt

[Tangerine LaBamba]

101. One of my favorite sites -

http://oldjewstellingjokes.com/

And yes, my mother was Jewish ......................

[Critters2]

153. They've got a website...

http://www.internationaljewishconspiracy.com/

[madrchsod]

20. this is the orginal article from david squires

http://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-local_wright_0610jun10,0,7603283.story

another piece of shit cut and paste from politico.....

wright can express his opinion and we can disagree with him.

[EFerrari]

33. So, he was talking about the Israeli lobby?

That's what it looks like.

[cali]

45. baloney. his remark was clear. he was talking about Jews in the White House

keeping him away from Obama- presumably Axelrod and Emanuel. He's simply a bigot. Good to know who the folks are here who are hypocrite apologists for bigots though.

[EFerrari]

55. You know, cali, your evaluations of social situations are actually painful.

I don't have enough information to hate Wright at the moment. I only have what Politico has reported. But, you go ahead and do what you do best. And thanks for calling me a hypocritical apologist. I'll have to tell my three nieces that their aunt is an anti-Semite.

Maybe the oldest, Rachel, will put me on a time out. lol

[cali]

67. I don't hate Wright. I'm simply saying that his words make him a bigot

and it's not just this latest comment. Interesting that you who are so quick to demonize anyone who, for instance, offers the mildest criticism of Chavez, is not willing to condemn what Wright said. And no, I certainly did not call you an anti-semite. I doubt very much that you are. I think you are wedded to a certain political philosophy however. And I think that political philosophy makes you reluctant to recognize bias or bigotry from those that you believe are on "your side".

[EFerrari]

69. If what you call a "political philosophy" means not taking our twisted media's first reports

verbatim, that's me all over.

It's too easy and first reports generally turn out to be wrong.

[CreekDog]

80. You have enough information

yes you do.

really.

on the same day when a Nazi shoots up the Holocaust Museum, you have enough information to know where Wright's words lead us and it's nowhere good.

[EFerrari]

83. Are you now associating Wright with this right wing nutcase?

Wow.

[CreekDog]

85. i'm associating anti semitism and where it leads

don't be obtuse now.

you can't pretend that various utterances of "Them Jews" and the like as well as the type of hate that undergirds them has no connection to violence against Jews and symbols of their existence and history.

[EFerrari]

89. For your information, Jeremiah Wright has spent most of his career

trying to break down walls between the different subcultures in his community. For you to paint him as some kind of raging anti-Semite is just wrong. For you to associate him with that horrible man is even worse.

I am not obtuse in any way. I am agonstic until I learn better. If that bothers you, maybe you should do something about that.

[cali]

99. He's a bigot, an anti-semite.

and yes, the kind of disgusting verbiage he used leads to ugly things. disgusting that you're defending such shit. truly repulsive. just :puke:

[Captain Hilts]

125. Sad. And disappointing. nt

[Captain Hilts]

124. Okay, he admires a raging anti-Semite, Louis Farrakhan. nt

[Critters2]

120. Yep. Look at Luther.

Seriously, this is from Politico.

I may be one of the few people here who's actually met Jeremiah Wright. He's not perfect, and has clearly violated denominational standards on more than one occasion (for which I have screamed loud and long at Conference staff). But I've never known him to be a bigot of any kind. Most of what is printed about him is taken out of context or includes a whole lot of redaction.

[CreekDog]

121. If not bigoted, then what do you call someone who thinks the "Jews" are in some sort of conspiracy

like this one?

you know, i never thought of my step grandmother as a bigot but one day (when I was 10) she reacted to something on the news by saying, "Hitler should have finished them off the first time..."

that was almost 30 years ago now and it was a shock and i was the one she was talking to! :wtf:

of course based on her overall statements by that time, she didn't fit the pattern of bigotry --but within years she was a Pat Buchanan, immigrant hating bigot. she didn't become one later, she was when she made that first statement.

maybe he doesn't fit your definition of a bigot, but i'm concerned about any motivation to explain it away or diminish its significance.

[Critters2]

139. Again, I assume you hold Luther to the same standards.

He really was an anti-Semite.

[CreekDog]

155. Yeah, I nearly left my church when I read those things

However, I must admit I expect a bit more from Reverend Wright, some 500+ years later.

[TankLV]

179. Of COURSE you do...

unfuckingbelievable...

some IDIOTS will TRY to defend ANYTHING, I guess...

it's still DISGUSTING - AND it DOESN'T work...

[Captain Hilts]

123. Wow, you're reaching there. Now, how can AIPAC restrict access to the White House? nt

[mamaleah]

149. So we can start saying "them (insert apporpriate social, racial,

political, ethnic, or religious group here)", and it's okey dokey?

Or is it that nasties leveled at Jews are still the only slur thats ok?

[cali]

44. Read the article. Rev. Wright is a bigot. period.

and that's what he deserves to be called. He earned it before this with his asshole remarks about whites inventing AIDS to kill blacks. He's earned it yet again.

[brentspeak]

64. I listened to the video three times, and it's unclear if he actually said "them Jews"

I guess it's possible that's what was said, but I can't tell.

[struggle4progress]

107. "What-you-think they're gonna let him talk to me" is about as well as I can reconstruct it

The beginning of the sentence is spoken very quickly and the sound quality is quite poor

[dorkulon]

143. Same here.

Can't say either way.

[cali]

169. sure we can. he said it and he admits he said it. said he meant to say zionists.

idiot bigot.

[Maru Kitteh]

195. He admits said it.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/06/rev-wright-i-meant-to-say-zionists-are-keeping-me-from-talking-to-president-obama-not-jews.html

[CreekDog]

23. This quote is a great reason to totally ignore the guy

:wtf:

[wellstone dem]

24. very appropriate today

sarcasm

[jpak]

27. "...somebody who calls a spade what it is..."

what kind of "somebody" is THAT....

A stupid right-wing racist homophobic antisemitic fundamentalist nut-job?

yup

[corpseratemedia]

28. what a pastor

"blame the Jew" crowd, again

I hope Obama doesn't waste time addressing this guy's cloying attention-seeking anti-semitism.

[Cha]

30. Wright

needs to look in his mirror. Another recent link quoted the Rev saying "Obama's made mistakes but I still think of him as my child"(paraphrasing)

So, of course, Wright doesn't make any mistakes?

Good ol Politico.

[MzNov]

31. I think the guy's elevator just doesn't go quite to the top

ya know?

[rollin74]

32. sounds like a paranoid nut

[Freddie Stubbs]

36. Obama was right to cut all ties with this racist asshole

[truthisfreedom]

37. Whew. Yo, Reverend Wright... you got old fast, buddy. Go crawl under a rock somewhere.

You're not doing anybody any favors.

[Rabrrrrrr]

39. Jesus Christ - I like Wright, but in the last few years it's all gone crazy for him.

He represents the bankruptcy-side of the Liberation Theology movement.

[ProudDad]

40. This one won't...

Rahm Israel Emanuel <-- Zionist and main filter to Obama...

---------------------------------------------------------

Wright said that when he went to the polls, he did not hold any grudge against Obama.

"Of course I voted for him; he's my son. I'm proud of him," Wright said. "I've got five biological kids. They all make mistakes and bad choices. I haven't stopped loving any of them.

"He made mistakes. He made bad choices. I've got kids who listen to their friends. He listened to those around him. I did not disown him."

Asked if he had spoken to the president, Wright said: "Them Jews aren't going to let him talk to me. I told my baby daughter, that he'll talk to me in five years when he's a lame duck, or in eight years when he's out of office. ...

"They will not let him to talk to somebody who calls a spade what it is. ... I said from the beginning: He's a politician; I'm a pastor. He's got to do what politicians do."

Wright also said Obama should have sent a U.S. delegation to the World Conference on Racism held recently in Geneva, Switzerland, but that the president did not do so for fear of offending Jews and Israel.

"Ethnic cleansing is going on in Gaza. Ethnic cleansing (by) the Zionist is a sin and a crime against humanity, and they don't want Barack talking like that because that's anti-Israel," Wright said.

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[CreekDog]

68. So you don't like him because of who he is or because he's Jewish?

his heritage is really irrelevant, but from your post, it appears that he's Jewish is part of your complaint.

:thumbsdown:

[ProudDad]

82. He's a Zionist...

You're putting words into my mouth -- bad form!

I'm not now nor have I ever been against ANYONE because of their race, religion, ethnicity, etc. etc. etc.

However, it appears from your post that you don't know the difference between Zionist and Jewish... For your education, Zionists come in many different religions -- some are Jewish. Many (most?) USAmerican Jews are NOT Zionists.

He's a rabid supporter of the Israeli government, right or wrong... And lately they've been horribly wrong. That's what I have against all Zionist Fanatics.

If it weren't for his Zionism and his pro-corporate and pro-war bias and the way he allegedly treats underlings, I'd really like the guy's voting record on social issues.

[CreekDog]

94. before you defend Wright, you might notice that he has used Zionist/Jewish interchangeably

what do you think of that?

[ProudDad]

136. Who's "defending" Wright?

I've made it clear that when he uses "Jews" as a derogatory term I'm against it.

When one considers the point he's trying to make -- it's technically correct.

What part of reading English are you skipping? The comprehension part?

[Rage for Order]

174. You're a real piece of work

Was David Duke also "technically corrrect" when you considered the points he was trying to make? I'm sure you were against Duke when he used "ni***rs" as a derogatory term as well though, right?

:eyes:

[cali]

164. for your information, there are many zionists who believe in Palestinian rights

and who abhor the occupation. And Emanuel is not a rabid supporter of Israel. He's supportive of Obama's approach to I/P. Hardly the position of a Zionist fanatic.

Your hate is sick.

[MrBig]

170. Whaaaaaaat???

but but but Zionism and Zionists are all racists and blood thirsty criminals who only want to see death and destruction to Palestinians, Arabs, and Muslims.

/sarcasm

Your post could not be more dead on. It'd be nice if some people on this website would stop using the same tactics that they decry and denounce when done from the other side.

[cali]

43. He's a pastor and a bigot. but we already knew that.

[Dappleganger]

46. Oh my, well guess what.

Rev. Wright it's not all about you, now is it?

You do your job in your city and let Mr. President do his in his country.

[Behind the Aegis]

47. Even more disgusting, those who are "excusing" this behavior.

Deflect. Distract. Deny.

[ProudDad]

50. I decry his terminology...it is inflammatory

I don't excuse his choice of words -- they are divisive and probably not 100% accurate (there are plenty of Gentile Dems who would block his access to Obama, too -- Dems as a class tend to be a bunch of weak sisters...)

But Rev. Wright's POINT IS correct.

There is one Jewish person who can deny any possibility of contact between Wright and Obama.

That particular Jewish person is probably not the only filter but he is a main one...

[MrBig]

98. By your argument

One could say, "Them blacks control the US." or "Them Muslims are terrorists." and both points would be correct according to you.

There is one black person is the leader of the United States. He isn't the only person who controls the United States, but he is a main one.

Also, there are some Muslims who are terrorists. They aren't the only terrorists, but there are some. By the logic you use in this post above, these statements would be correct.

That's why you shouldn't be okay with categorizing a person based on their characteristics.

[ProudDad]

137. Time to work on your comprehension skills

It's your alleged "logic" that is faulty along with your fallacious assumption that I am "characterizing" Mr. Emanuel...

Your assignment, go back and carefully read all of my posts...

Then come back and try again...:hi:

[MrBig]

152. I re-read "all" of your posts...

Despite the fact that my response was to one post in particular, and you know what, your post still looks like you are defending Reverend Wright.

"But Rev. Wright's POINT IS correct. There is one Jewish person who can deny any possibility of contact between Wright and Obama. That particular Jewish person is probably not the only filter but he is a main one..."

Those are your words unchanged. Now tell me how the changes I made to your example don't stand? Why is saying "There is one Black person" or "There is one Gay person" a logical fallacy from the example you stated? Especially given that the original statement in question was "Them Jews" not "A Jew" or "That Jew" which, IMO, would still be just as bad.

But I'm guessing you will again respond with a smiley and avoid the point altogether.

[EFerrari]

51. If you don't question the way Wright is reported, you're not paying attention.

[cali]

52. If you don't recognize that his words were flat out anti-semitic, at best

you're in denial.

[EFerrari]

56. What would I do without you to name my defects of character.

lol

[Behind the Aegis]

57. Pathetic and sad.

Defend away. It is expected by you.

[EFerrari]

59. I hope that I'm expected not to take first reports at face value

and not to simply react at incendiary reports.

ETA: The charge you are leveling is a very serious one. One would hope it isn't one that you'd rely on Politico to verify.

[Behind the Aegis]

60. Nope. You are expected to do what you do best.

Defend and deflect.

[EFerrari]

63. Please elaborate, BTA.

I can only stand to learn from your feedback. Thanks.

[Behind the Aegis]

65. Of course.

#33

[EFerrari]

66. And he was talking about the Israeli lobby:

"They will not let him to talk to somebody who calls a spade what it is. ... I said from the beginning: He's a politician; I'm a pastor. He's got to do what politicians do."

Wright also said Obama should have sent a U.S. delegation to the World Conference on Racism held recently in Geneva, Switzerland, but that the president did not do so for fear of offending Jews and Israel.

"Ethnic cleansing is going on in Gaza. Ethnic cleansing (by) the Zionist is a sin and a crime against humanity, and they don't want Barack talking like that because that's anti-Israel," Wright said.

* * *

I don't know what is in this man's heart. I'm not of his generation or of his culture. But I know that his statements are more often than not misrepresented for the effect of scandal and to redound on Obama. If you want to make yourself into a pretzel and to attack other DUers over a Politico report, that's your privilege. I choose not to do that.

[Behind the Aegis]

72. You are expected to do what you do best.

Defend and deflect.

[EFerrari]

76. And that would be a tragedy if I limited myself to the programmatic expectations

of my critics. :)

[Behind the Aegis]

79. The real tragedy is the inablity to learn.

[EFerrari]

84. I've learned to withhold my reactions when the media tries to manipulate me.

And I consider that a valuable lesson.

[Name removed]

87. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[cali]

91. uh, no he wasn't.. quite the apologist stretch there, dear.

he made an accusation that Jews were keeping Obama from having contact with him. he didn't say the Israel lobby. He said Jews. But hey, don't let the facts stop your apologist garbage.

[EFerrari]

93. I never wonder anymore why you use terms of endearment

when addressing strangers, cali.

[Jim Sagle]

110. I wonder why she wastes such terms on you.

[ProudDad]

138. Hey, don't let your lack of comprehension

of the English language get in the way of your opportunity to overreact...

:evilgrin: :eyes:

[LostinVA]

116. I listened to the audio -- he said it

Is he anti-semitic? All I can say is this: what he said was anti semitic.

[dorkulon]

145. You know, I listened too, and I really can't hear it.

The report may be accurate, but I can't hear what the heck he's saying at that point.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

103. If you want to know where Jeremiah Wright

stands in reference to Jews, check out his Nation of Islam bodyguards at his National Press Club appearance.

Anyone who voluntarily aligns himself with that group is telling the world exactly who and what he is.

'nuf said ..............

[LostinVA]

117. I had forgotten about that -- good point

[ProudDad]

151. EXACTLY! (n/t)

[DuaneBidoux]

54. He may have not been wacko when Obama was in his church but there is no doubt now.

[AngryAmish]

62. He has always been a whacko

This sort of thing is very common in that church.

[TaxCollector]

75. His Prejudices Were Formed Earlier in his Life

Apparently he had some trouble at an inner city pawn shop as a young man. Had to pawn some of his posessions to raise cash due to some hard times he was experiencing. Waited too long to retreive the items and they were sold. Been gripeing for years about it. Claims he only got $2.00 when the item (according to him) was worth a lot more. Seems like a long time to carry a grudge. Give it up Reverend!

[ProudDad]

88. It's very common in ALL churches

They're all based on fallacy and myth...

[AngryAmish]

122. I spent a lot of time in Catholic churches over the years

Pro: Never heard anything bad about "them Jews"

Con: They never did much about diddling of the alterboys.

Yours is a phony equivelence argument which is wrong.

[Captain Hilts]

78. Oprah belonged to his church for 2 years and bailed because he was crazy. That was years ago. nt

[and-justice-for-all]

61. Religious folk should not be allowed on the hill at all..

there was 8 years of religious fucks meddling in foreign affairs, getting weekly calls to shrub...I do not think Wright ot any other religious zealot should allowed any contact with the pres other then via email or fax like the rest of us.

[proteus_lives]

77. Sooner or later, everyone reveals their true colors.

And now we know that Wright is a racist POS.

[bemildred]

102. Divide and rule. nt

[struggle4progress]

108. Bingo

[bemildred]

109. Thank you.

Who can forget "Billy Beer"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Beer

[cali]

112. be that as it may, Wright's the one who made the bigoted ugly comment.

[bemildred]

113. Your awesome powers of observation are noted. tn

[cali]

115. so is your brilliant comment about the media taking advantage. Just brilliant.

so deeply astute, my dear. I'm just in awe of your superior knowledge. Ooh, that's right, YOU are the one in awe of your supposed superior knowledge. Preen away.

[bemildred]

119. You want to rag on me about "brilliant comments"?

After noting that Wright actually said what he said?
In response to my observation that we have not heard from him is some time, and all of a sudden he is trotted out again?
Edit: It didn't work in November, there is no reason to think it will work now, Wright does not speak for Obama, he never did.

[cali]

129. No, it won't hurt Obama. It's a bigoted comment from a man

who's prominent.

[bemildred]

142. Well, let's hope not. nt

[underpants]

111. Wow talk about bad timing

:scared:

[NoodleyAppendage]

118. Probably partially true. I suspect Rahm Emmanuel is not too keen to pass on messages. n/t

J

[dorkulon]

126. It's plain inaudible. He could easily be saying "them dudes" (link)

He certainly slams AIPAC and zionism, but I can't say either way about the "them Jews" bit: http://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-local_wright_0610jun10,0,7603283.story

[Critters2]

141. Hey! We don't need no stinkin' truth 'round here! nt

[JerseygirlCT]

127. Wow. Ignorant and hateful. nt

[fujiyama]

132. What a self centered douchebag

This ass hole just loves to get attention.

[ButterflyBlood]

133. Disgusting.

Turns out Wright is a huge asshole after all, and Obama clearly did the right thing cutting all ties to him.

[goclark]

135. Rev. Wright you are so wrong!

Your remarks were out of order and out of touch.

Go home and take a long nap Rev. Wright.

[Dorian Gray]

140. Ugly ugly ugly ugly

words.

Not cool.

[UndertheOcean]

148. oh no , the Juice !

[ProudDad]

150. In light of today's sickening events in DC...

I want to make it ABSOLUTELY CLEAR...

I am NOT an anti-semite.

What a person's religion, race or what-the-hell-ever is irrelevant to me. I look at what people DO, I don't pay attention to stereotypes.

My posts on this thread were meant to satirize, to highlight the knee-jerk reaction that Rev. Wright provokes that shuts down the comprehension centers and ability to read and reason among the less perceptive on this board.

:hi:

[Rage for Order]

173. You are so full of shit, and you should be banned from DU

You have been one of Wright's most vociferous defenders, as is evidenced by your comments not only in this thread, but also in the one linked below

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5823383#5823485

"Out of context", my ass :puke:

[TankLV]

180. riiiiiiight...because YOU say so....

sorry, NOBODY is buying your CRAP...

[Zavulon]

154. I wish "them Jews" could figure out a way to get this gasbag piece of shit to STFU.

Or anyone, for that matter. I am sick unto death of hearing about this insane, bigoted asshole.

(This is railing at Wright himself and the media, not the OP)

[ButterflyBlood]

157. Wow, the apologism here is quite disgusting

Wright did not say "The pro-Israeli lobby", he did not say "Rahm Emanuel". He said "them Jews". Some people need to get that through their thick fucking skulls.

[Chovexani]

158. Disgusting and yet not surprising at all

Anti-semitism (and homophobia, sexism and racism) is a cherished feature of the New Democratic Party, it seems.

[ProgressIn2008]

160. What gets me is those acting like it would be swell if he'd only said "that JEW Emmanuel"

And these same folks would claim to be against hate speech. Damn.

Bigotry is a scourge and this is ugly bigotry with consequences. How anyone could bend over backwards to defend hate speech against Jews, claiming those old saws about "Jews controlling the White House" or "Zionist controlled America", is beyond me. Especially simultaneous with a violent shooting at a Holocaust museum.

[joshcryer]

165. Yeah, WTF! I read that upthread, it's insane.

God people are crazy.

[MrBig]

171. Exactly

It's sickening to see people try to defend these words.

And what's even more frustrating and disheartening is the fact that if the words were said by, say, Sean Hannity or Colin Powell, the SAME people defending Wright would be up in arms

[rockymountaindem]

172. Right, because if he'd said "the Zionist lobby" it would all be cool

since we know they control every aspect of the US government anyway :sarcasm:

Too bad not everybody is saying that sarcastically.

[ButterflyBlood]

181. Believe me, I'm not saying that would've been OK either

But it is both downright comical yet also sad to see people pretty much argue that THAT is what he actually meant when the words were pretty clear.

[robcon]

176. Wright is a racist, and the explanations are bogus.

He hates Jews, and those who defend him are haters, too, IMO.

[TankLV]

177. and I don't blame Obama one bit IF this were true...

like I've said before, during the primaries, WRIGHT IS A FUCKING ASSHOLE, and this latest episode PROVES me RIGHT!!!

[TankLV]

186. Thank god SOMEBODY'S doing their JOB!!!

If there ISN'T - THERE SHOULD BE!!!

oh wait - I already responded to this nonsense - oh well - can't be said enough...

[Unvanguard]

189. I never said it before, but I'll say it now: shut up, Rev. Wright. n/t

[janx]

193. More sensationalism, Frenchie, geared toward old people.

It's obviously pandering to old people and to old prejudices. "It's the jews versus the blacks!" it seems to say.