Man charged with threat against Obama in Utah

[laststeamtrain]

Source: AP

Man charged with threat against Obama in Utah
1 hr 26 mins ago

SALT LAKE CITY – Federal prosecutors have charged a man with making threats against President Barack Obama after he allegedly told a bank employee in Utah he was on a mission to kill the president.

The Salt Lake Tribune reported on its Web site Thursday that Daniel James Murray allegedly made the remark to a teller at a bank in St. George on May 27 as he withdrew $13,000 from an account.

Murray's whereabouts are unknown. A court affidavit says Murray is from New York and has recently been in California, Utah, Georgia, Oklahoma and possibly Texas.

The U.S. Secret Service says Murray has at least eight registered firearms, the Tribune reported.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090605/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_threat

[skooooo]

1. Lock him up..

..and throw away the key.

[Pirate Smile]

3. They have to find him first. He just withdrew $13,000 from his bank account.

[bigworld]

43. Enough for a first class ticket to, say Germany

or wherever Obama is today.

This whole story (and likely the guy) is just really bizarre

[muntrv]

2. Gitmo for Danny!

[bertman]

4. Looking on the bright side, it's encouraging that a bank teller in Utah would report this.

My general impression of that state is they aren't very pro-Obama.

[struggle4progress]

15. The teller apparently waited a while:

Feds Search for Man Allegedly on 'Mission to Kill the President'
A Warrant Has Been Issued for the Arrest of Daniel James Murray
By JACK DATE
June 4, 2009

Murray entered Zion's First National Bank in St. George, Utah on May 19, to open a savings account with an $85,000 check ... and then stated, according to the complaint, "With all this mess going on under President Obama with banks and the economy, I'm sure if citizens happen to lose their money, they will rise up and we could see killing and deaths."

On May 27, the complaint states, Murray came back to withdraw $12,698 from his savings account. He did not have proper identification and was told he needed it to complete the transaction. He allegedly said, "Not to be disrespectful, but if I don't get this money, someone is going to die" ...

Murray then said, "We are on a mission to kill the president of the United States," according to the complaint ...

The next day, according to the complaint, Murray withdrew the remaining $72,000 and closed his account ...

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=7761620&page=1

The bank gave him $12K in unsequential bills of size $50 or less, despite the fact that he had inadequate ID and made death threats. Why wasn't he picked up on the 28th?

[MarthaM]

16. Geez...

I've worked in banks for years and there's no way that should have happened. We would have required 72 hours before giving out that much cash, and would have filed a SAR based on his behavior. Law Enforcement would have been waiting for him when he came back for the money.

[chill_wind]

21. Aren't there a whole bunch of bank transaction red flag triggers under the Patriot Act?

Regarding amounts and some sort of automatic reporting, I mean? I can't remember their exact nature? Welcome to DU.

[MarthaM]

28. From before the Patriot Act, even...

Any cash transaction(s) totalling over $10,000 in one day requires the bank to fill out a Currency Transaction Report (CTR), and the teller has to document the ID# on that. Plus the Suspicious Activity Report (SAR), which his behavior warranted. Beyond that, common-sense red flags should have been flying all over the place. Either the branch staff or the bank's security department should have gotten law enforcement involved early on.

Thanks for the welcome!

[chill_wind]

51. Excellent info. $10,000 was what I was remembering, too, but wasn't at all sure.

Thanks!

:hi:

[kestrel91316]

58. Well, this WAS in UT and they are one of our reddest states.

I imagine half the bank staff would have cheered the guy and offered to help.

[Bette Noir]

20. This is why I will never live in Utah.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

5. This man is really out there. Read this about him.

Murray returned on May 27 and asked to withdraw about $13,000 in bills no larger than $50 and in nonsequential order, court documents say. He allegedly said, "We are 94 million miles from the sun, and are in between the sun and moon, and the eagle that flies between them, and it's a giant step for mankind ... I have traveled thousands of miles to be here and know things that are going to happen ... the banking system will fail and people will die ... there will be chaos in the world."

Then, as a teller handed Murray his money, he allegedly said, "We are on a mission to kill the president of the United States."

Murray returned the next day and withdrew the rest of his money, court documents
say.

Authorities say Murray drives a blue 2001 Buick LeSabre with New York license plate ERL 1445.

The Secret Service says the firearms registered to Murray include semi-automatic pistols and revolvers.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_12520998

What I'm wondering is if the "we" he spoke of was was himself and his delusions, or if there may be others involved who may have been exploiting his apparent mental illness?

[glinda]

6. This is really not very good....what if there are a bunch of them??????

[madrchsod]

9. there are a "bunch of them" but...

most of them never act on their paranoia

[Lone_Star_Dem]

11. I was thinking more along the lines of a person or people feeding his delusions

To get him to take his money out of the bank and give it to them.

He's a very sick man from what it sounds like. It's very possible he has a from of schizophrenia and isn't taking his meds.

[glinda]

50. Why isn't a picture of him posted anywhere for the public to see? I mean, how can anyone

help find this man if we have no clue as to what he looks like? If the FBI is looking for him then there should be no problem with showing the public a picture and if he is innocent, he should be able to easily prove it.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

53. I don't know why you couldn't find a picture

By the time you posted this there was one down thread and if you type "Daniel James Murray" into google one comes up with a link to the news articles. :shrug:

[RandomThoughts]

12. The 'we' he spoke of are probably part of his delusion, or the things in his head.

Glad the FBI are after that guy, he seems to be definitely unbalanced. Sounds like he is following the advice of those that advocate chaos.

[mr1956]

7. They should post his picture far and wide

He is crazy, armed and dangerous. We should know what he looks like to protect not only the President but ourselves.

[pitchforksandtorches]

22. YES thank you - where is his picture? - we need to help find the M-Fucker

[madrchsod]

8. driving across the country listening to right wing radio

the guy is very dangerous....

[chill_wind]

10. Dear god. Not good that he's at large.

May he and any pals be found and put away quickly!

[MarthaM]

14. Is he really 'at large'?

I can't tell whether the article means that he's on the loose or that they aren't saying which facility he's being held at.

Edited to add: I see from the other link that there's a warrant for him, so never mind!

[LynneSin]

13. As much as I hated the Bush Regime I just wanted the impeached, prosecuted and tossed in jail

Never in a million years would I have considered a death threat and I think 99.9999% of all anti-Bush folks out there feel the same exact way.

[MilesColtrane]

17. I'm must be feeling extra tin-foily, but the first thing that came to my mind was...

...that this kind of nutjob would certainly make a good patsy if there were others out there who were planning something.

He got a shitload of money somehow.

[dogfacedboy]

19. You could be right.

If this character is dumb enough to say what he said to a complete stranger, he's probably not smart enough to have raised that cash all by himself.

[dogfacedboy]

18. I hope all of the idiots out there like this guy realize

that if they ever actually started this "revolution" so many of them fantasize about, they will all end up being put down rather quickly. It will be seen as criminal terrorist activity. The police and military will wipe them out. Any survivors would be arrested, tried, and convicted on some very heavy charges. End of story.

[Qot]

23. Execute him! (Or lock him up for life!)

Hope they can prove what he said easily.

[lonestarnot]

24. Guess they haven't posted a pic because he's carrying so much dough.

It would be just too bad if someone rips it off before he gets busted. :evilgrin:

[MichaelHarris]

25. He had 72,000 dollars in savings

and drove a 2001 Buick LeSabre? What a dick!

[47of74]

44. How come with all that dough he didn't go out and...

...buy himself a big-ass Hummer like all the neo-cons probably want him to.

[Arrowhead2k1]

26. Bad thing is that he's crazy and wants to kill the president.

Good thing is that he's a fucking moron and likes to mumble about his 'plans' out loud. :rofl:

It's only a matter of time before he's behind bars. Good riddance.

[laststeamtrain]

27. CNN: Authorities hunt for man charged with threatening Obama

<snip>

According to a criminal complaint filed in federal court in Utah, Murray opened an account at Zions First National Bank on May 19 with a $85,000 check.

<snip>

"With all this mess going on under President Obama with banks and the economy, I'm sure if citizens happen to lose their money, they will rise up and we could see killing and deaths," he said...http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/05/utah.threat.against.president/index.html
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[newspeak]

60. so, all this mess he sees under Obama?

He apparently sees no connection of all that's happened with the previous administration? What a total MORAN!!!!! More deregulation--a field day for Halliburton and Blackwater (greedy war profiteers), a fekked up boondoggle of a war (10 billion a month?), a free for all for the rich and infamous; and this guy is blaming it all on Obama who's been in office about six months? TOTALLY DELUSIONAL!!!

[47of74]

29. Authorities hunt for man charged with threatening Obama

Source: CNN

(CNN) -- Federal authorities are searching for a man who has at least eight guns registered to him and has threatened to kill President Obama.

The man, identified as Daniel James Murray, is charged with making threats against the president of the United States.

He recently withdrew $85,000 from a Utah bank and told a teller: "We are on a mission to kill the president of the United States," according to court papers.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/05/utah.threat.against.president/index.html

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I hope they find this guy soon and he spends a very, very, very long time in prison.

He sounds like a freeper to me. I wish freepers would get it through their thick skulls that the laws of the United States apply to them as well.

[bluestateguy]

30. We need to find out what he means by "we"

Is that just talk, or is he part of something larger?

[Wapsie B]

31. I have no doubt that every President has had their share of threats.

It would be interesting to see how this administration compares in that regard even just 6 months in.

[Blue_Tires]

32. so which message board is trying to scrub his posting history?

FR?
OR?
or since it is Utah, some kind of 'we don't want the queers to get hitched' -site?

[bigworld]

33. Maybe they should, um release a photo of him?

Might help. Sounds like a real nutter.

How does a bank allow a withdrawal of $12000 cash without any form of proper ID?!

[Ganja Ninja]

36. Yeah that would be helpful. n/t

[AllieB]

34. Someone should see if he has a FR account.

It wouldn't be the first time a RW terrorist belonged to FR.

[liberalmuse]

35. This is most likely a larger plot.

The guy isn't all that bright, but it sounds like someone else is probably putting money in his bank account. He's been in several states recently. I hope they catch him and the others conspiring with him.

[HopeHoops]

37. HOW ABOUT A DAMN PICTURE???

The guy could be sitting next to me at a bar this afternoon and I wouldn't know it!

:mad: :grr: :nuke:

[hedgehog]

40. +1!

[Sinistrous]

46. PICTURE:

Here.

No, not the top picture. The second one.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

48. From your link ~~36 years old 6'2" 250#

Murray, who had recently been in California, Utah, Georgia, Oklahoma and possibly Texas, was born July 12, 1972, stands 6-foot-2, and weighs 250 pounds


~Thanks for the link.

[dorkulon]

38. Sounds more crazy than dangerous to Obama.

Dangerous, yes, but all that claptrap about the sun and the moon... this guy is a schizo and won't get within a mile of Obama.

[hedgehog]

41. Don't forget Mark Chapman, John Hinckley, Lynette Fromme, Sara Jane Moore and Seing-Hui Choi.

Not to mention Theodore Kaczynski. Mental illness distorts the perception of reality, but all too often it doesn't interfere with the ability to make plans and take action.

[goclark]

45. Thank you ~ we need to see a picture

and it should be plastered all over the News like all the children that Nancy Grace has on her show as well as the mean people that need to be put in the deepest jail on earth.

We need to demand a picture!

[eShirl]

39. "He's been seen in blue 2001 Buick LeSabre with New York license plate ERL 1445"

k&r

[hedgehog]

42. This should be up on all those Amber Alert boards!

[laststeamtrain]

47. Where did the $85,000 come from? Let's get a look at that check.

"Murray opened an account at Zions First National Bank on May 19 with a $85,000 check."

[dorkulon]

49. WTF is wrong with this bank manager?

Eight days later, Murray returned and tried to withdraw $12,698. He flipped out when a teller turned him down because he lacked proper identification.
"Not to be disrespectful, but if I don't get this money, someone is going to die," he said, the court say.
The teller then fetched the bank manager, who okayed Murray's withdrawal. He also agreed to Murray's request for no bills larger than $50 - and in non-sequential order.

What the fuck? Why weren't the cops summoned immediately? No bills larger than 50, in non-sequential order?

What kind of jackass just lets this guy go?

[47of74]

57. I remember when I worked in a retail store

I remember when I worked in a retail store a number of years ago, part of the training was that they did not want any heroes if there was ever an armed robbery situation or anything similar. It was better to give the guy what he wanted and let him go rather than risk one's own life as well as the lives of other employees and customers and try to be a hero and stop him. Law enforcement could always catch the guy later on and even if not money and property wasn't as important as the lives of the employees and customers.

The manager probably fell back into his or her training when they had a guy in the bank saying people are going to die if he doesn't get his money. Give the guy what he wanted so he'd leave and not endanger bank employees and other customers was probably what the manager was thinking.

[Kievan Rus]

52. Another Freeper just blew a gasket

What's wrong with these people all of a sudden?

[Joey Liberal]

54. Send him to North Korea nt

[Joanne98]

55. He's probably in Texas.

[fortyfeetunder]

56. Where's John Walsh and AMW?

Maybe an open manhunt on this sucker is in order. America's Most Wanted, would that be a venue????

[mr1956]

59. He's been arrested in Nevada

The "Cape Man" has been captured.

Authorities arrested Daniel James Murray, the gun-loving loon from upstate New York who threatened to kill President Obama, at a Nevada casino Friday, ending a nationwide manhunt.

Federal agents were pursuing Murray, 36, after he told a Utah bank manager he was "on a mission to kill" Obama.



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/06/06/2009-06-06_man_who_threatened_to_.html#ixzz0HgGy9lN9&C