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BradBlog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 12:22 PM
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SIBEL EDMONDS: Announcing 'Project Expose MSM'
Source: BRAD BLOG



SIBEL EDMONDS: Announcing 'Project Expose MSM'
Whistleblowers set to name names, turn tables on media who've betrayed our trust
Newsweek reporters named in 'real-life' case example of new project...

-- Guest Blogged by Sibel Edmonds

We all have been tirelessly screaming about issues related to Congressional leaders abdicating their main responsibility of 'oversight.' We have been outraged for way too long at seeing 'no' accountability whatsoever in many known cases of extreme wrongdoing. I, and many of you, believe that the biggest reason for this was, and still is, the lack of true journalism and media coverage --- which acts as the necessary pressure and catalyst for those spineless politicians on the Hill and in the Executive branch. Or, at least it's supposed to. So, in our book, the MSM has been the main culprit.

Well, here is a chance to turn the tables. I'm happy to present an experimental project, Project Expose MSM, created to provide readers with specific mainstream media blackout and/or misinformation cases based on the documented and credible first-hand experiences of legitimate sources and whistleblowers. I am inviting all members of the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition (NSWBC), other active (covert or overt) government whistleblowers, and even reporters themselves, to publish their experiences in regard to their own first-hand dealings with the media, where their legit disclosures were either intentionally censored, blacked out or tainted.

Yes, we will be naming names -- myself included.

We will even do so below, in one real-case example, intended to help illustrate how the project will work. In the absence of the real investigative journalism and unbiased independent media we need, this is one way to set the record straight...

FULL STORY: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7181


Read more: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7181
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blueclown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 12:23 PM
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1. This is not late breaking news. n/t
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BradBlog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 01:06 PM
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10. I wholeheartedly disagree. n/t
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 08:22 PM
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63. No you don't.
:)

Nice work, Brad!

To you and Sibel: :toast:
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 02:34 PM
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30. Is so!
It's the first I've heard of it.

Welcome to DU, BTW!
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 05:19 PM
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43. You are not a blue clown.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 03:49 PM
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87. Took me a minute, but then I laughed.
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 12:40 PM
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2. K & R
Thank you Brad Blog!

Have you seen this from a few days ago:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h6D7GLEfO4SOoPTDMIobe7rmDIcAD98DHEH00 )

Did it really ‘fell through the cracks’? That’s the real question. Why do we get to hear these revelations only after the sources are ‘long-dead’ and the involved reporters and editors are ‘long-gone’? Let’s see…on this one it took almost a four decades to find out. Let’s work on not letting this happen, at least easily, for many relevant stories and issues today. Let’s get ‘living sources’ on the record and expose ‘current culprits’ while the stories and cases matter.

www.123realchange.blogspot.com
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 01:33 PM
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14. Hi
:hug:







B-)



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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 08:38 PM
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66. Stupid War Movies by Paleface
with a phony respect for the dead. 
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 12:43 PM
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3. Hope to hear far more about this. Thank you for breaking the news
Edited on Wed May-27-09 01:05 PM by Judi Lynn
to those of us who have NEVER heard there's even a ghost of a chance something possibly can be done about the deep dishonesty in our corporate media.

Looking forward to any new developements.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 03:54 PM
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39. Here is the link to the Blog:
123 Real Change
All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing
http://123realchange.blogspot.com/

Welcome to 123 Real Change

First, I want to welcome you. By ‘you’ I mean everyone: friends, supporters, wanderers, and those of you who may be visiting to express opposing point of views; everyone!

Next, let me briefly tell you why I am starting ‘a blog’ after 8 years of resisting even the idea of it. After my latest editorial piece, as with my previous pieces, I received hundreds of e-mails: some to kindly express appreciation, some to present constructive criticism, some to offer well thought-out insights, and some to simply bash me. I’ve been bad, I mean really bad, in providing timely acknowledgement and or responses to these comments. I think those who take the time to comment do deserve a response, more than the automated canned response provided to them from my websites. So, yes I’ve been guilty. This site will provide a forum for those of you who want to know you’ve been heard, will let you share your thoughts, and hopefully, will provide a healthy forum for all of us to connect. I certainly hope so, but time will tell.

Many of you, like me, may visit and shy away from expressing your views. I strongly encourage you to overcome that, and let your voice be heard. Please don’t worry about how what you say may be construed, or, that what you believe may be ridiculed, or …anything. I have tried very hard to write, speak, and carry out my past activism without any labels. To date no one, literally no one, has been able to attach any party affiliation, religion, or any other categorizing stamp to me or where I stand. This is my forum and all differing opinions and political affiliations are welcome. That being said, I want to ask you to observe a few guidelines:

..................
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pjt7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 12:49 PM
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4. First "journalist" traitor to the American people
Larry Rohter of the NY TIMES.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 05:51 PM
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47. Not familiar with his name.
What upset you with him? Curious minds wonder.
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 12:53 PM
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5. kicking for later. eom
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 01:00 PM
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6. k&r and thank you. nt
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 01:00 PM
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7. recommend
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 01:04 PM
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8. This is amazing news! Sibel
Edmonds gets it!

"So, in our book, the MSM has been the main culprit." YE-AH!
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Autumn Colors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 01:06 PM
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9. K&R .... and Sibel's site is now bookmarked (nt)
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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 01:14 PM
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11. Oh sure,blame the reporters. Grab your pitch forks and tar & feathers. THAT will sure
make the "whistle blowers" want to stand up and be seen.
The cases sited about were 30 or more years ago. In the case of Watergate, it is THE classic opposite of the the press getting it wrong or covering up: Ben Bradley and the Post reporters got it right, and the rest is history. Real history, not rewrite.
A free democratic society needs more press doing better reporting; not spending their time fending off internet here-say and innuendo by oh so brave keyboard warriors
It smacks of the Right Wing blaring about Pelosi, as if SHE were the real problem.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 01:35 PM
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16. Maybe I am wrong, but are you dismissing any internet reporting
as not as valuable as print journalism?
I daresay that journalists today operate in a vastly different world then they did in 1970. And this world cares mostly for profit and keeping corporations happy.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 02:24 PM
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24. I think its more complex a problem to say its a matter of one being "better" than the other...
Edited on Wed May-27-09 02:25 PM by cascadiance
There are many fine journalists working with internet sites and blogs, and there are also many fine journalists that are still working with newspapers and to some extent in television or radio media, though that's been depleted for some time now.

The problem with corporate media (newspapers, radio, television) is their corporate control and demand for profits, which basically prioritizes profit and therefore "news" that is more sensationalist in nature rather than informing the public, when there's no demand any more for these sources to provide a public service for the usage of our airwaves, etc. enforced by a bought off government and agencies like the FCC (hopefully the FCC will be fixed a bit soon). In some cases the advertisers or management also insert their politics, but I think now it is mainly a matter of funding these operations.

With the economy the way it is, and also people mistrusting the mainstream media now, newspapers are especially hard hit. They have traditionally been dependent HEAVILY on employment ads as well as other classified ads. With the lack of new jobs being created, other alternative means of putting out classified and employment ads (Craig's list, etc.), this has lead to a big shortfall in revenue for them. They have to cut back on their staff heavily, and in some cases go out of business.

I used to work at KnightRidder.com before I left the bay area in 2000. You all might have seen some of the shared election pages that I helped others author for the 2000 year election for newspaper sites like the Miami Herald, Philly Inquirer, and the SJ Mercury News, that featured some of the first articles of what then was the beginning of the Knight Ridder Washington Bureau and is now the great McClatchy Bureau... Even then we were seeing the downturn of revenue when the economy started to go bad that year after the dotcom bust and they were finding ways to cut back on staff then.

However, when you get right down to it, these papers and other media more traditional outlets have had a lot more on the ground resources to go do extensive investigative reporting with a team of people, and not just rely on a well connected and industrious blogger to try and do something equivalent, as talented and determined as they may be. This is not a criticism of bloggers. They and alternative sites like rawstory.com are where I go to for news first as well. But its a lot harder for them to do what newspapers used to do (like they did in Watergate days to go after that story).

In this economy when more and more of these newspapers cut to the bone or go out of business, these infrastructures are being hacked away to the point that unless we find an alternative revenue/organization model to do news gathering, we might not have any way to really do full investigative reporting like we used to in the coming future if the trends continue without something being fixed.

Now there's been talk of making newspapers into non-profits, or other similar ideas to help us keep these entities in place, but perhaps completely change the funding model to help both with the prioritization of what's called news, and also to make sure that proper investigative journalism is being funded adequately, but I don't know if anyone has a real great strategy outlined for that just yet.

The McClatchey Bureau (and the Knight Ridder bureau before it) worked well, since Knight Ridder early on was a very decentralized management structure of just about all of the owned newspaper site editors being a VP in their structure that had a lot of power over their own publications' work. The Knight Ridder Washington Bureau I don't believe was a group that was driven by a need to make profits, but benefited from begin able to call its own shots as a news organization should more than it would in other media entities with that form of decentralized leadership in place. It would be nice if we could find other ways to have "McClatchey Bureau" style of operations in other companies or function as non-profits.
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blaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 03:53 PM
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38. Thank you
Wish I could rec this post.
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ajeffersonian Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 01:42 PM
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17. Yes - blame the reporters, and their bosses
So because the cases are old it makes them irrelevant? Just suppose, for instance, that the Post reporters had NOT discovered and reported on Watergate - Nixon and his men getting away free? Would you still be willing to absolve the NY Times of their responsibility, having known and reported nothing?

You are right that a free democratic society needs press doing better reporting, but unless we are willing to hold their feet to the fire, as is being done by Sibel with this project, then we aren't going to get it.

As to innuendo, lets wait and see what is presented.

As to Pelosi, let the facts speak for themselves.

The press was given special status in our Constitution for a reason, and with that status comes extra responsibility. I for one don't believe the majority of the MSM is living up to that responsibility - and I give only one example of many - the lead up to the Iraq war - accurate and hard hitting reporting could have helped prevent it. So lets hope this project is successful, for all our sakes. Maybe then we won't get the next Iraq war, or maybe then everything we say & write won't be monitored by NSA, or maybe...
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 02:12 PM
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23. "Accurate" reporting could have prevented far more than the Iraq war.
Nothing BushCo* did (including the theft of the WH) would have been a success without the complicity of the M$M. We had to wait months (years?) to learn the identities of those who protested the Florida recounts (all (R) staffers and "friends" of the RNC) and still don't have any hard evidence about who attended DICK's secret energy meetings (how hard could that have been to find out?) just to name two.

Collaboration with a truly evil regime - especially when the stakes are so high - deserves severe punishment. Outing the complicit M$M for what they are, as well as what they've done by omission or commission, is the least the public deserves. The threat they pose to each and every one of us during the current "health-care" debate is worthy of torches, pitchforks, tar, feathers and, perhaps even, the use of the rack.

Without an independent press, we are lost. It's time to bust up the media conglomerates and hold individual reporters, their editors and outlets accountable.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 06:30 AM
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77. You are so right, DCKit
And as far as I am concerned finding out the names of those that participated in Cheney's secret energy meeting would be a nice place to start.

I have long wondered just what went on in an energy meeting that needed to be kept secret from citizens in a democratic society. Then we watched oil prices go through the roof. Coincidence? I hardly think so. I suspect this meeting is where they planed how to Eronize the American economy.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 06:18 PM
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52. Nixon and his men getting away free?
A lot did. Nixon never really paid for his crimes. We had Nixon crooks in the Bush Administration....doing about the same thing.

But then there's John Dean. O8)
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 08:40 AM
Response to Reply #11
82. When someone isn't doing their job you should call them on it
unless your silence implies your consent.
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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 01:26 PM
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12. K & R, for Freedom of the Press
Edited on Wed May-27-09 01:49 PM by windoe
including this link for this thread:

http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/category/y-2009/

edited to add: I strongly believe that as a country we have to define justice, censorship, lying, killing, torturing and propaganda, in order to free ourselves from it. In order to let something go one has to know what is being let go of, instead of just abstractly saying 'Oh--We've moved on from that, we've gotten over it'.
Freeing ourselves from the condition we find ourselves in takes discernment and exposure of what has been going on behind closed doors and dark rooms. The challenge is not becoming stuck in endless investigations, keeping justice in context as a necessary step towards a saner future.


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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 01:31 PM
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13. This is truly brilliant...
Go after the enablers. Place the blame on those who are too lazy, complicit, or incompetent to do their jobs - the MSM. Thank you Sibel Edmonds and Brad Blog.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 01:34 PM
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15. Time to Expose this Corporate Media for what it Really Is
bravo
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 01:51 PM
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18. We stand with you, Sibel!!!
You are such a hero in my eyes.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 01:53 PM
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19. Run silent, run deep
Her list should be very, very long.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 01:56 PM
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20. Journalistic cowardice is tolerated or even rewarded
Those who learn this lesson are rewarded such as David (Dances with Rove) Gregory, Howard Kurtz, Judith Miller, Lou Dobbs.

Who suffers? The public. I will support this effort in every possible way including financial if needed.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 01:58 PM
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21. I wonder if the MSM lobbied the Congress against something like this
when the House passed that bill a few weeks ago, to shield journalists and their whistle-blowers. Their bill stated only paid journalists deriving a certain amount of their income from journalism, aka; basically the corporate media could be protected. Most Internet bloggers would be excluded.

That event spoke volumes as to the low regard in which much of the corporate media and their allies in Congress truly hold the American Peoples' First Amendment freedom of speech Rights.

Thanks for the thread, BradBlog.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 02:09 PM
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22. Exposed 55 years ago.
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T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 02:25 PM
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25. Better to 'expose" them to serious, personal consequences for their failure to fulfill
the duties of their "profession."

They obviously cannot be shamed into acting like journalists. A more direct solution is necessary.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 02:31 PM
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26. Plez'd to rec #60. Will we be able to follow this on BradBlog? nm
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 02:32 PM
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27. K & R
:kick:
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blackbart99 Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 02:33 PM
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28. There is nothing more relevant than fixing....
....the problem with the media. We have a disease people...the cure is more open and honest
journalism. Its the only medicine this country needs. And if you have to be force fed the
cure then so be it. Hold your nose and swallow the spoonful of harsh truth.
:rant: :hide: :tinfoilhat:
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 02:33 PM
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29. RECOMMENDED, BOOKMARKED. We desperately need this to undermine the disinformation machine - M$M.
they have been selectively reporting events to meet the needsof the Republican party too long. Maybe this effort will help weaken their influence.

GREAT NEWS.

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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 02:48 PM
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31. Goodonya Sibel; If I trusted the media and our government
(now morphed)one tenth the trust I have in you there would be no need for a revolution. If there was anyone in the sky I trusted to prey to, I would prey for you, however, that pie has already been poisoned with propaganda flavored koolaid and is potable only to the vast gullible supplicants of this great nation.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 05:52 PM
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49. Succinctly stated.
I'm preferring a Root Beer Float, rather than the Koolaid onthe menu today.

But that's just my take, and tomorrow it may be something totally different!
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 02:50 PM
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32. I can't wait
I wondered what had happened to Sibel. So glad to know this has not gone away!
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 03:23 PM
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33. K & R
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 03:36 PM
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34. K&R
for my favorite state secret.
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tan guera Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 03:45 PM
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36. Go, Sibel
Sibel, thank you for your courage and tenacity. I've been thinking the last few days that Cheney and Obama have actively been working together; and also that Cheney may make a run for the prez.

I've bookmarked your website and here's a quote from today's speech from Las Vegas:

"WE'RE FUNDING BOTH SIDES OF THE WAR ON TERROR."

What he's saying is that we're paying people to kill our soldiers! This needs to be shouted from the rooftops!

We need a challenger in 2012 and I don't recommend Hillary. She's also a warmonger IMO. I'm thinking Feingold as one possibility. But we need a CM who will not marginalize who we want. (and I love Dennis and Elizabeth) And we need to stop standing in corners in IA during the first primary.

Thank you for your new website!! Bless you, Sibel.
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colsohlibgal Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 03:41 PM
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35. Go Girl!
I heartily commend Sibel for spearheading this needed effort. The MSM is fully culpable to much of what has been going on for some time - most blatantly with their pom poms and cheer leading for the totally unnecessary and completely counter productive Iraq war.

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livefreest Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 03:50 PM
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37. i hope there still are a few journalists and individuals who value honesty over
career advancement and money. it's a fantastic project and i'm breathlessly waiting for something to be revealed. i wonder if they need any donations?
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 04:08 PM
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40. K&R
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 04:29 PM
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41. Great idea, Sibel! And thank you Brad for publicizing this!
We are long overdue for an MSM expose. There really hasn't been one of pertinence that I'm aware of since Carl Bernstein did this in 1977:

The CIA and the Media

by Carl Bernstein

Rolling Stone, Oct. 20, 1977

http://danwismar.com/uploads/Bernstein%20-%20CIA%20and%20Media.htm

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rschop Donating Member (493 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 04:50 PM
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42. RE; Project Expose MSM
Thank GOD someone has enough guts to expose the main stream media for what they really are; spineless, cowardly wimps who have mislead the American public for many years. It's is about time.

One good example, today there is abundant and well documented evidence that the CIA working with FBI agents at FBI HQ deliberately, knowingly and willfully allowed the al Qaeda terrorists to carry out the attacks on 9/11. This evidence is now all well documented, if you can imagine this, on the US government's own webs sites or comes from US government sources.

The MSM has even withheld the now clear and compelling evidence that the US government investigations of 9/11 have been nothing more that cover ups, covering up both the involvement of the CIA, including even its top leadership and the FBI, in their culpability in allowing the attacks on 9/11 to take place. You can easily find entire web sites today that detail all of this evidence of CIA and FBI culpability, that link right to the governments own web sites and sources.

Yet even to today the MSM has not carried this story. I don't know if they are just afraid of blow back by the CIA or are complete cowards or worse, but this story has now been deliberately withheld from the American public.
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downindixie Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 05:35 PM
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44. Sibel,you go for it !
Edited on Wed May-27-09 05:41 PM by downindixie
I'm one guy that is standing behind you.Can I K&R?
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KakistocracyHater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 05:36 PM
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45. #100 to rec, at last I hope she succeeds
*
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cachukis Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 05:45 PM
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46. Gee, I remember being in a room back in '69 where people were
smoking some funny smelling stuff and wondered if I might be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Young and foolish I blew it off.
Thankfully, no one opened the door.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 05:51 PM
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48. Obama has campaigned on "You tell me what to do"... The media though has to be an exception!
Edited on Wed May-27-09 06:25 PM by cascadiance
Actually the way of governance of challenging the people to tell him what they want and what Obama should be doing with many of the problems facing us is a good way of governance. It challenges us to work as a Democracy to help do the change that we want.

However, the big wrinkle that blows that strategy/notion all to hell is our media. The media gets in the way of the people effectively understanding the issues facing us so that we can provide informed opinions of what should happen, and also they get in the way of people in government like Obama truly knowing what people want in this country, if the media puts out false or distorting selective polling, etc.

Obama and his team should see this fact, and move forward in this area without waiting for the public to tell him "what to do" and force changes on the media to do things like break up media consolidation, get some of the substance of what was the Fairness Doctrine into other legislation to force the media to be a public service of providing information and not just making profits from sensationalism.

He should do that without waiting for our "pushing him", and justify it by saying something like "The media is now broken, and for me to govern according to your wishes, I need to help congress 'unbreak' it and get it to the point that I can truly hear what you want us to do after being fully informed about issues, which you haven't been informed of in the past. Therefore I'm working with the congress to put forth a new Media Reform bill for 2009 which will help our nation be more informed and collectively know more where it wants to go moving forward."

Once some of this media reform can happen, then Obama can say "Now that I've helped fix our media so that we can have a better conversation, I want you to tell me more what you want us doing moving forward."

Fixing the media should be one of those highest priority issues, as well as public campaign financing to help us stop just putting on bandaids for the many problems we face now.
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 06:23 PM
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53. One of the biggest issues we're drowning in is not the hidden news, but the fabricated news
Take Obama's speech at Notre Dame...a couple dozen protestors with no connection to the college? Twenty graduates out of 2,000 boycotting the ceremony? Yet that tiny fraction garnered more column inches in the regional papers than tens of thousands marching for peace in the major cities.

I worked on military newspapers for many years, but even in drumming up morale we were more stringent in our objective standards than the sad circus that poses as journalism now.
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tan guera Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 07:22 PM
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58. I feel quite sure
that Obama knows exactly what we want and what we're saying. Remember how he said he was the only thing standing between the banksters and the pitchforks?

He knows.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 07:34 PM
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59. I hope so, but I've trusted too many politicians before to do what we think they will do...
... and getting disappointed later.

There's already been some issues on things like transparency, etc. that I think he's gone back on his promises as well.

I still want to believe that he's got some sort of "master plan" that will benefit us all, but at some point he has to take the risk and show that he really has one, and not keep stringing us along. I certainly think that of all of the realistic shots we had at winning the presidency, he gives us the most hope for doing what we want, but that's still not saying a lot just yet in this corporate controlled system we have now.

I do think he has to either take on the campaign finance system and get public campaign financing passed into law soon, so that we can remove the lever that corporate America has over who might be otherwise decent politicians so that we can get started on so many other issues with a lot less pressure from special interest bribery. That and/or fixing the media, which makes it hard to pass anything or do anything that corporate America doesn't want us too, by controlling what we all hear and can say so much that other issues are hard to deal with constructively.

I think both of these issues Obama might not be able to stand back wand wait for us to tell him what we want, as it won't happen as long as the media controls the dialogue. Now if he wants that real dialogue, he should be motivated to take charge and fix it. If he doesn't really want to have us tell him what to do, but do things for others' (aka special interests') agenda, then saying he's "waiting for us to tell him what to do" when the media keeps us from being able to do that works as a good PR excuse to justify his actions when he doesn't hear (and we don't even hear) our fellow citizen's collective informed concerns/demands. Since that possibility exists too, I think it is that much more important for him to move quickly and steer congress towards media reform, so we can tell that he's not just faking that he wants a real dialogue on what we want him to do.
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tan guera Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 12:28 AM
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74. What I meant by he knows
is that he knows and either doesn't care or is incapable of doing anything about it.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 06:03 PM
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50. K&R
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whyzayker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 06:05 PM
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51. K&R
...long overdue.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 06:31 PM
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54. The bad news is that it will likely be decades before this sets the historical record straight.
The good news is that the historical record will be set straight.

The bad news is that there will always be assholes who don't care about how the historical record will cast them.


There are better, more expedient ways.
But those require real genius.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 06:57 PM
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55. K&R
:kick:
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 07:20 PM
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56. Sibel has a thick wall to drill through
I will be pleasantly surprised if this comes to fruition.

(don't fly on small planes Sybil)
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 06:46 AM
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79. +1, Rosa
Ain't it the truth.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 07:20 PM
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57. KICK! and rec... n/t
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pjt7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 07:59 PM
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60. Go for it Sibel!
We all need to support real journalists & call out the one's that have been proven to be bought & sold.

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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 08:00 PM
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61. I just went to Sibel' web site. Do yourself a favor and go there and read
all the articles. She is one awesome patriot. Against such incredible odds, she has continued to tell the truth and seek more of it. I am surprised that Cheney hasn't disappeared her.
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pjt7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 08:04 PM
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62. Mason
Did you write "I am suprised no Patriot has made Cheney disappear"?

Nice.
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 08:29 PM
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64. Just emailed MSM to request truth and then I saw this post (also my NPR station-geeze)
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 08:34 PM
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65. Gosh! I am so there. Read on.....
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 09:17 PM
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67. Go Sibel!
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 09:24 PM
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68. HIP HIP HOORAYYY!!! Thank you Sibel and Bradblog.
Recommend highly.

Maybe this dose of castor oil will "loosen up" the system.

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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 09:39 PM
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69. expose the owners of the MSM
that threaten editors who then threaten reporters with the loss of the jobs and future blackballing. And the fact that MSM just publishes propaganda.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 10:35 PM
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70. hallelujah!
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 10:36 PM
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71. We need to hear not only about who the owners are (and have been for decades), but also
who were all the more moderate reporters who got fired or not promoted, and who DID.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 10:49 PM
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72. It's so good to see you Sibel
I like this new angle and will follow it closely. Best wishes for the whistleblowers.
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sdelphinus Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-27-09 11:41 PM
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73. Sibel Edmonds is a class act.
She has my support.
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 02:09 AM
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75. WHAT IS THIS THEN..... http://mediamatters.org/ check it out.....
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 03:47 PM
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86. Link = "Page not found."
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 04:44 AM
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76. would like to see whistleblowing from paid callers to limbaugh and co
i'd be very surprised if single and and orchestrated series of callers weren't working the main national and local shows from a think tank basement(s)

there's no way 8 friday night callers in a row to a RW radio station, all calling for the US to invade iraq and for young listeners to join the forces, all adding to the talking points and refuting criticisms, would be so lucid and concise and wouldn't include some slurred speech.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 06:48 AM
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80. +1, certainot
I have considered the very same thing.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 07:21 PM
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89. maybe someone with bucks can come up with a reward
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 06:33 AM
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78. K&R
We must have an unfettered media to survive as a democracy.
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orbitalman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 07:27 AM
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81. Let's GO !!! nt
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 11:05 AM
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83. A Big Thank You. Such action is long overdue. APPLAUSE! APPLAUSE! Oh, and K&R too
:patriot:
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 01:58 PM
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84. Hell YYYYYESSSSSSSS!!!
If there's anything -- ANYTHING -- whatsoever I can do to help in any way (with the unfortunate exception of cash donations), please don't waste a second wondering if you really should ask. Just PM me here or email me at the old war_on_peas@yahoo.com account and let me know what, when and where.

I ackchully youzd ta bee a reporder bak wen it wuz uh respektibul job, sow I kin fine mye way arount uh keebord.

I got into the whole issue of corrupt US corporate media here and, if you think it could be useful as a small element in the campaign to expose these lying manipulative propagandist bastards, feel free to redistribute it far and wide.

Meanwhile, my very best to Sibel, Brad, David Swanson and the rest of the quiet heroes who decided once and for all that sitting down, shutting up and following orders is antithetical to everything this country used to stand for.

And everything it must stand for again if our kids and grandkids are going to have any chance at living decent lives rather than being harnessed to the wheel as the next generation of wage and debt slaves.


Thanks to all, and really... I'm a tad over the hill at 59, but I learned quite a bit during that late '60s - early '70s and still recall most of it.


sf


Steven Franklin, Portland OR, formerly writing (and hiding behind the nom de guerre) as warren pease.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 03:45 PM
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85. 59 is not over the hill. Specter expects to start his next time at 81. Strom Thurmond wielded
power in the Senate (unfortunately, in his case) until he was almost 100. If you are a relatively healthy 59, you are just hitting your stride!
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 06:56 PM
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88. "Relatively healthy" -- relative to a corpse, maybe...
...but as soon as I get that new liver (no shit), I'll be ready to join the ghost of Strom Thurmond as he chases them there Nigra ladies round and around their office desks. All in good fun, of course.

Just kidding, ironically challenged readers, just kidding...


Maybe this icon will help:

:sarcasm:


Meanwhile, I'm happy to do 20 reps with the phone receiver each day, and a couple thousand keystrokes, and call it aerobic exercise.


Thanks for the pleasant thoughts, though.


sf

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