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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 09:47 PM
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Drug tests for chess club? Judge says no
Source: San Francisco Chronicle

A Northern California high school district's drug testing of students taking part in competitive, non-athletic activities - such as the chess club, math team or school band - is an unjustified invasion of privacy, a judge ruled Wednesday in the first case of its kind in the state.

The Shasta Union High School District presented no evidence that drug use was more likely or more dangerous for those students than for others, said Judge Monica Marlow of Shasta County Superior Court.

She drew a distinction between students in the band or the chess club and student athletes. The state Supreme Court upheld the NCAA's urine testing of college athletes in postseason championship events and bowl games in 1994, saying athletic competitors are accustomed to being monitored and have little expectation of privacy.

... John Kelley, a lawyer for the district, said officials would probably appeal the ruling. Marlow's decision applies only to the Shasta district, but an appellate decision could set a statewide precedent.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/05/06/BAQP17G3S6.DTL&tsp=1
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 09:50 PM
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1. smoke up, nerds!
:party:
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 09:53 PM
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2. I don't know about the chess club but we did some crazy shit on the speech and debate team.
:rofl:
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 09:53 PM
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3. checkmate
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 09:57 PM
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4. Some say that steroids are as prevalent in chess as they are in some sports.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 10:18 AM
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27. Some say. nt
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:00 PM
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5. Like what? No-Doze?
That's pretty much the only drug I can associate with chess
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jb5150 Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:07 PM
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6. At my school
the band were the biggest stoners of all.............
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:20 PM
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7. Well, what do you expect from a bunch of musicians, eh? n/t
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:24 PM
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9. I resemble that remark.
:)
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:24 PM
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8. Physical athletes take steroids to improve performance and give them an edge.
Wtf drug would a chess player take to improve performance in that game?
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:27 PM
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10. Steroids could assist a chess player if taken properly.
As would Ritalin, etc.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:40 PM
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13. How? (nt)
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:47 PM
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14. Depending on the user certain steroids
don't simply increase muscle. They can also greatly increase focus and intensity. Some users have reported an almost "tunnelvision" type of focus when really tuned into something and an increased aggressiveness in performing any function, from lifting a weight to driving, and I'd suggest winning a chess game.

Ritalin's reason for assistance is a bit more obvious.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:48 PM
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15. i could see cocaine helping a chess player
in the snort term at least, help with concentrating. Long term no doubt would be bad.
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FreedomRain Donating Member (164 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:29 PM
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20. Awesome typo enrique
if you don't mind me injecting a comment here.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:37 PM
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21. snarf
that IS awesome. :rofl:
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:57 PM
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23. "in the snort term"
:rofl:

DUzy.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 01:32 PM
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29. And if your not playing speed chess
A joint could help a little :rofl:
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:10 PM
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18. nootropics mostly
but those are OTC
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:10 PM
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19. nootropics mostly
but those are OTC
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Mrs. Ted Nancy Donating Member (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:39 PM
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11. There is a SCOTUS precedent
that favors the school district.

SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
BOARD OF EDUCATION OF INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT NO. 92 OF POTTAWATOMIE
COUNTY et al. v. EARLS et al.
CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE TENTH CIRCUIT
No. 01—332. Argued March 19, 2002–Decided June 27, 2002

The Student Activities Drug Testing Policy (Policy) adopted by the Tecumseh, Oklahoma, School District (School District) requires all middle and high school students to consent to urinalysis testing for drugs in order to participate in any extracurricular activity. In practice, the Policy has been applied only to competitive extracurricular activities sanctioned by the Oklahoma Secondary Schools Activities Association (OSSAA).

-snip-

Held: Tecumseh’s Policy is a reasonable means of furthering the School District’s important interest in preventing and deterring drug use among its schoolchildren and does not violate the Fourth Amendment. Pp. 4—14.



http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/01-332.ZS.html
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:40 PM
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12. I'm amazed that parents continue to permit this testing --- ???!!!
The state Supreme Court upheld the NCAA's urine testing of college athletes in postseason championship events and bowl games in 1994, saying athletic competitors are accustomed to being monitored and have little expectation of privacy.



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Towlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 10:50 PM
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16. Ever see two potheads play chess? Both stare at the board for 30 minutes, then ask whose turn it is.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:03 PM
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17. And that is different from unstoned chess, exactly how?
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-06-09 11:41 PM
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22. The unstoned ones can hear the clock timer when it goes off
and realize their turn is up.

The stoned ones think it means it's time to take another hit.
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Towlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 06:47 AM
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25. Rule of pothead chess: When offering the joint to your opponent, say "J'adouber"
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 07:09 AM
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26. They're not staring,
They're figuring out how to turn the rooks into bongs.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 01:02 AM
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24. I see a bright future for the jazz band /nt
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 12:10 PM
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28. I think it needs to be across the board
Edited on Thu May-07-09 12:11 PM by BoneDaddy
not just with chess.

This idea that the smart and nerdy do not party has not been my experience, but I am against drug testing without probable cause.
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Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 03:30 PM
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30. my school had selective drug testing down to a science
Being a "Drug Free School" was a really high priority for my high school, to reach this designation they had extremely aggressive drug testing of those they were already 100% certain were not using drugs. Imagine if you will the entire Senior AP Math class lined up outside the nurses office with the Vietnamese Students service club right behind it for their drug tests.

For being a "Drug Free School" we were supposed to get a visit from Nancy Reagan and the "we don't have to take our cloths off" guy but da bitch stood us up.
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