(Seymour) Hersh: Cheney ‘Left A Stay Behind’ In Obama’s Government, Can ‘Still Control Policy Up To

[sabra]

Source: ThinkProgress

In an interview on NPR’s Fresh Air yesterday, host Terry Gross asked investigative journalist Seymour Hersh if, as he continues to investigate the Bush administration, “more people” were “coming forward” to talk to him now that “the president and vice president are no longer in power.” Hersh replied that though “a lot of people that had told me in the last year of Bush, ‘call me next, next February,’ not many people had talked to him. He implied that they were still scared of Cheney.

“Are you saying that you think Vice President Cheney is still having a chilling effect on people who might otherwise be coming forward,” asked Gross. “I’ll make it worse,” answered Hersh, adding that he believes Cheney “put people back” in government to “stay behind” in order to “tell him what’s going on” and perhaps even “do sabotage”:

HERSH: I’ll make it worse. I think he’s put people left. He’s put people back. They call it a stay behind. It’s sort of an intelligence term of art. When you leave a country and, you know, you’ve driven out the, you know, you’ve lost the war. You leave people behind. It’s a stay behind that you can continue to contacts with, to do sabotage, whatever you want to do. Cheney’s left a stay behind. He’s got people in a lot of agencies that still tell him what’s going on. Particularly in defense, obviously. Also in the NSA, there’s still people that talk to him. He still knows what’s going on. Can he still control policy up to a point? Probably up to a point, a minor point. But he’s still there. He’s still a presence.

Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/31/hersh-cheney-behind/

[tekisui]

1. One day that evil will be gone.

:grr:

[shintao]

76. The day is here..........

No need to delay trying Bush and Cheney for war crimes. That will solve any stay behind theories.

[RaleighNCDUer]

92. Not easy to do with Cheney's left behinds in the justice department

and intelligence agencies interfering with prosecuting him.

Which was the whole point of the article.

People are NOT coming forward with what they know because he is still dangerous to them. He still has the capability to destroy lives and careers - and likely worse. Do you suppose the assassination ring that Hersh revealed is going to stand by and let themselves be outed?

[LiberalFighter]

106. They need to drive a stake thru his heart. Use holy water and a cross on the evil scumbag.

[SlingBlade]

95. EVIL, That's the word to describe Cheney and his cohorts

[proud patriot]

2. He must be stopped !

[superconnected]

3. 2nd rec. They will lose their fear of him, likely by the end of the year

bet only the people who truly hate democracy and obama will stay loyal to chainey. The people scared into being loyal will switch with time. Of course they are indicating that the stay-behind is there to keep those people scared.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

4. Robert Gates? n/t

[HowHasItComeToThis]

8. BINGO ON THIS ONE

[spiritual_gunfighter]

9. I dont know how anyone in the Obama admin.

can trust this guy. Iran/Contra, inventing intelligence on a link between the Soviet Union and the attempted papal assassination and I am sure many other things we don't know about.

[Dinger]

15. Bingo Indeed (nt)

[Brucie Kibbutz]

22. +1

:think: good observation

[Hutzpa]

50. Don't you guys think that'll be too obvious,

c'mon people, do some thinking here....it's not going to be a high profile
subordinate, it could be a low level individual who has access to or is
privy to information, could be a secretary or some admin person.

Who here remember Linda Tripp????

[dflprincess]

52. Hiding in plain sight?

It's got to be someone who has some influence - or access to policy.

Linda Tripp wasn't dealing with policy.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

61. Good point n/t

[BonnieJW]

88. And yet she nearly brought down a president.

[RaleighNCDUer]

93. No, it doesn't have to be someone with influence or access to policy -

only someone with access to the person who has influence or access.

Linda Tripp wasn't dealing with policy, but she damn near brought down the government. And she was
TWICE removed - she had access to someone who had access to the person of influence.

[LiberalFighter]

107. Identify and transfer the twerps to Alaska.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

60. it may not be Gates

But I wouldn't be surprised that it was someone close to him. Gates has a relationship with Cheney going back to the 70's.

[saigon68]

82. The new war in Vietnistan is going swimmingly

with this jack ass in charge.

Once Betrayus Re-Hired Sadaam's old army, "PEACE" was restored until amerika leaves (if ever ? )

Then the Civil War will start.

[Marie26]

86. I disagree

Gates isn't a neocon. They disagreed over Iran & many other things. IMO the "moles" are probably neoconservatives at lower levels throughout the NSA, CIA, etc.

[Kolesar]

89. With ya'

Gates was one of old Bush's cabal, sent in to clean up Rumsfeld and Cheney's mess.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

112. Not quite

Gates and the neocons
Posted by: Economist.com | NEW YORK
Categories: Foreign policy Neocons Robert Gates
IN THE Washington Post James Mann, the author who chronicled the rise of the neoconservative movement, has an interesting take on the nomination of Robert Gates as defence secretary. He says Mr Gates may not prove to be the realist counterweight to the neoconservatives that many expect. He recounts a debate within the first Bush administration over how to deal with Mikhail Gorbachev.

The administration was divided. James Baker, the secretary of state, wanted to test out Gorbachev. The anti-Gorbachev hawks were led by Robert M. Gates, the deputy national security adviser. Gates's principal ally was then-Defense Secretary Dick Cheney.

Baker vs. Gates/Cheney: That alignment should serve as a warning to those who view Wednesday's appointment...as representing the triumph of Bush the Father's administration over Bush the Son's. Any such analysis is far too simplistic. Gates's nomination unquestionably stands for one proposition: a long-awaited recognition that the administration's war in Iraq has been a disaster. But the broader interpretation of the appointment as representing a victory of Bush 41 over Bush 43 -- or of one school of thought over another -- breaks down when you look at Gates's background and the history of the 1980s and early '90s.


Gates and the neocons
Posted by: Economist.com | NEW YORK
Categories: Foreign policy Neocons Robert Gates
IN THE Washington Post James Mann, the author who chronicled the rise of the neoconservative movement, has an interesting take on the nomination of Robert Gates as defence secretary. He says Mr Gates may not prove to be the realist counterweight to the neoconservatives that many expect. He recounts a debate within the first Bush administration over how to deal with Mikhail Gorbachev.

The administration was divided. James Baker, the secretary of state, wanted to test out Gorbachev. The anti-Gorbachev hawks were led by Robert M. Gates, the deputy national security adviser. Gates's principal ally was then-Defense Secretary Dick Cheney.

Baker vs. Gates/Cheney: That alignment should serve as a warning to those who view Wednesday's appointment...as representing the triumph of Bush the Father's administration over Bush the Son's. Any such analysis is far too simplistic. Gates's nomination unquestionably stands for one proposition: a long-awaited recognition that the administration's war in Iraq has been a disaster. But the broader interpretation of the appointment as representing a victory of Bush 41 over Bush 43 -- or of one school of thought over another -- breaks down when you look at Gates's background and the history of the 1980s and early '90s.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/robert_gates/


The Cheney-Gates Cabal
Ray McGovern
November 09, 2006


Ray McGovern, a CIA analyst from 1963 to 1990, is on the Steering Group of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity. Full disclosure: he is indebted to Defense Secretary Rumsfeld for TV notoriety on May 4, when McGovern’s impromptu questioning after a Rumsfeld speech in Atlanta elicited denials later shown to be false after fact-checks by the TV networks. McGovern’s acquaintance with Robert Gates, whom the president has picked to succeed Rumsfeld, goes back 36 years to when Gates was a journeyman analyst in the CIA’s Soviet Foreign Policy branch led by McGovern.

As the Iraq war goes from bad to worse, President George W. Bush jettisoned “stay the course” in favor of “necessary adjustments.” Yesterday he showed how quickly he can adjust to the mid-term election results, when he jettisoned Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, barely a week after telling reporters Rumsfeld was doing a “fantastic job” and that he wanted him to stay on for the next two years.

It had been clear for weeks that the election would be a referendum on the war in Iraq and that Republican losses would be substantial. And Rumsfeld and Bush had every intention of avoiding the embarrassment likely to come of the grilling of Rumsfeld by congressional committees chaired by Democrats. Besides, who better to try to blame for the “long, hard slog” in Iraq than the fellow who coined the expression, and then implemented it with dubious distinction?

I have the sense that Rumsfeld offered himself as scapegoat for Iraq, not only to avoid another acrimonious tangle with Sen. Hillary Clinton , but also to help Bush project an image of flexibility and decisiveness to cope with the imminent sea change in Congress.

Neoconservatives Eat Their Own

Former allies are among those now denouncing him. The abandonment is enough to pin down even an old wrestler like Rumsfeld, but perhaps the most unkindest cut of all came from longstanding supporter “Cakewalk Ken” Adelman who, like other neoconservatives, have turned mercilessly on their old, now discredited friend. In an interview for David Rose’s “Neo Culpa” in Vanity Fair, Adelman came across as feeling jilted.

We’re losing in Iraq... I’ve worked with three times in my life. I’ve been to each of his houses in Chicago, Taos, Santa Fe, Santo Domingo, and Las Vegas. I’m very, very fond of him, but I’m crushed by his performance. Did he change, or were we wrong in the past? Or is it that he was never really challenged before? I don’t know. He certainly fooled me.

As the saying goes, with friends like that, who needs Hillary? ...Or a pummeling by the Army-Navy-Air Force-Marine Corps Times?

I almost feel sorry for Donald Rumsfeld (and I’m not just saying that because, with the “Military Commissions Act” now signed into law, he can declare me—or anyone—an unlawful enemy combatant and “disappear” me into some black hole for the rest of my days). What betrayal. What disingenuousness. Et tu , Cakewalk Ken? The neoconservatives are attempting to push the blame onto Rumsfeld for the debacle they authored. Parallel attempts by administration officials to scapegoat Rumsfeld will be equally transparent and unconvincing.

The “Cheney-Rumsfeld cabal ” may now be down to one. But there is every sign that Cheney will continue to be the dominant force in the White House, and he recently asserted:

You cannot make national security policy on the basis of . It may not be popular with the public. It doesn’t matter, in the sense that we have to continue the mission .

Granted, Cheney made those comments before the election. But it is virtually certain that Bush vetted with Cheney the nomination of Robert Gates to succeed Rumsfeld and, if past experience is precedent, it is a virtual certainty that Gates will continue to earn an A+ for “loyalty.” Look for a “Cheney-Gates cabal.”

Gates has been getting unduly positive press treatment since the announcement of his nomination. This is in part due to his participation in the realist-led Iraq Study Group, a bipartisan panel tasked with devising plans to stabilize Iraq. There’s hope that Gates will help push through the group’s recommendations.

It is always possible that Gates really will bring, in the president’s words, “a fresh perspective and new ideas on how America can achieve our goals in Iraq,” but to those of us who have watched Gates parrot and implement White House policies—not create new ones—this seems a long shot. And as noted yesterday by Rep. Tom Lantos, D-Calif., who will probably chair the House International Affairs Committee:

You can’t unscramble the omelet and the tremendous mistakes that were made after major military operations; I don’t see any magical solutions.

It seems only fair at the outset to give Gates the benefit of the doubt. He can hardly match the disaster Rumsfeld wrought with his fancy language and fanciful ideas, but that is damning with faint praise. Unless Gates’ years outside the Beltway have wrought major behavioral change, Gates will bend to the wishes of Cheney and Bush and avoid taking stands on principle. While it is one thing to give him the benefit of the doubt; it is quite another to be oblivious to the considerable baggage he brings with him from past service.

An Intelligence 'Fixer'

Those of us who had a front-row seat to watch Gates’ handling of substantive intelligence can hardly forget the manner in which he cooked it to the recipe of whomever he reported to. A protégé of William Casey, President Ronald Reagan’s CIA director, Gates learned well from his mentor. In 1995, Gates told The Washington Post ’s Walter Pincus that he watched Casey on “issue after issue sit in meetings and present intelligence framed in terms of the policy he wanted pursued.” Gates followed suit, cooking the analysis to justify policies favored by Casey and the White House. And the cooking was consequential.

I was amused to read this morning in David Ignatius’ column in The Washington Post that Gates “was the brightest Soviet analyst in the shop, so Casey soon appointed him deputy director overseeing his fellow analysts.” He wasn’t; and Casey had something other than expertise in mind. Talk to anyone who was there at the time—except the sycophants Gates co-opted to do his bidding—and they will explain that Gates’ meteoric career had most to do with his uncanny ability to see a Russian under every rock turned over by Casey. Those of Gates’ subordinates willing to see two Russians became branch chiefs; three won you a division. I exaggerate only a little.

To Casey, the Communists could never change; and Gorbachev was simply cleverer than his predecessors. With his earlier training in our branch, and with his doctorate in Soviet affairs, Gates clearly knew better. Yet he carried Casey’s water, and stifled all dissent. One result was that the CIA as an institution missed the implosion of the Soviet Union—no small oversight. Another result was a complete loss of confidence in CIA analysis on the part of then-Secretary of State George Shultz and others who smelled the cooking. In July 1987, in the wake of the Iran-Contra affair, he told Congress: “I had come to have grave doubts about the objectivity and reliability of some of the intelligence I was getting.”

Iran-Contra

And well he might. For example, in the fall of 1985 there was an abrupt departure from CIA’s analytical line that Iran was supporting terrorism. On November 22, 1985 the agency reported that Iranian-sponsored terrorism had “dropped off substantially” in 1985, but no evidence was adduced to support that key judgment. Oddly, a few months later CIA’s analysis reverted back to pre-November 1985 with no further mention of any drop-off in Iranian support for terrorism.

The U.S. illegally shipped Hawk missiles to Iran in late November 1985. When questions were raised about this in the summer of 1987, Stephen Engelberg of The New York Times quoted senior CIA official Clair George: “There was an example of a desperate attempt to try to sort of prove something was happening to make the policy look good, and it wasn’t.”

Also in 1985 Gates commissioned and warped a National Intelligence Estimate suggesting that Soviet influence in Iran could soon grow and pose a danger to US interests. This also formed part of the backdrop for the illegal arms-for-hostages deal with Iran.

More serious still was Gates’ denial of awareness of Oliver North’s illegal activities in support of the Contra attacks in Nicaragua, despite the fact that senior CIA officials claimed they had informed Gates that North had diverted funds from the Iranian arms sales for the benefit of the Contras. The independent counsel for the Iran-Contra investigation (1986-93), Lawrence Walsh, later wrote in frustration that Gates “denied recollection of facts thirty-three times.”

In 1991, when President George H. W. Bush nominated Robert Gates for the post of Director of Central Intelligence, there was a virtual insurrection among CIA analysts who had suffered under his penchant for cooking intelligence. The stakes for integrity of analysis were so high that many still employed at the agency summoned the courage to testify against the nomination. But the fix was in, thanks to then-chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, David Boren and his staff director, George Tenet. The issue was considered so important, however, that 31 senators voted against Gates when the committee forwarded his nomination. Never before or since has a CIA director nominee received so many nay votes.

Gates is the one most responsible for institutionalizing the politicization of intelligence analysis by setting the example and promoting malleable managers more interested in career advancement than the ethos of speaking truth to power. In 2002, it was those managers who then-CIA Director George Tenet ordered to prepare what has become known as the “Whore of Babylon”—the October 1 National Intelligence Mis-Estimate on weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. He instructed them to adhere to the guidelines set by Vice President Dick Cheney in his infamous, preemptive speech of August 26, 2002, and complete it in three weeks—in order to force a congressional vote before the mid-term election. To their discredit, the managers complied and issued the worst NIE in the history of American intelligence.

All those quoted in the press yesterday and this morning regarding the Gates nomination seem blissfully unaware of this history—all, that is, but Rep. Rush Holt, D-N.J., who sits on the House Intelligence Committee. Pointing out Gates’ reputation for putting pressure on analysts to shape their conclusions to fit administration policies, Holt told the press yesterday that the nomination is “deeply troubling,” and stressed that the confirmation hearings “should be thorough and probing.”


http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/11/09/the_cheneygates_cabal.php

[xxqqqzme]

105. Listening to Hersh talk about this on

Countdown last night, gates was the name that immediately popped into my head. When you consider that gates, as a condition to staying on, insisted a select working group (read 'loyalists') remain.

I trust not one person who worked in the */darth administration. Not one. A person working in that administration was required to be wedded to their ideology.

[izzybeans]

5. Isn't this spying?

With this meddling with Israel stuff, we may have had our first Manchurian candidate in the White House and it wasn't Bush.

[HowHasItComeToThis]

7. THE ONLY WAY TO PROTECT OUR ADMNSTRATION IS TO

JAIL BUSH AND CHENEY :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

HERSH: I’ll make it worse. I think he’s put people left. He’s put people back. They call it a stay behind. It’s sort of an intelligence term of art. When you leave a country and, you know, you’ve driven out the, you know, you’ve lost the war. You leave people behind. It’s a stay behind that you can continue to contacts with, to do sabotage, whatever you want to do. Cheney’s left a stay behind. He’s got people in a lot of agencies that still tell him what’s going on. Particularly in defense, obviously. Also in the NSA, there’s still people that talk to him. He still knows what’s going on. Can he still control policy up to a point? Probably up to a point, a minor point. But he’s still there. He’s still a presence.

Listen here:

The idea that Cheney would seed the government with trusted contacts is not surprising. As Hersh noted in his talk with Gross, Cheney has “been around forever” and “understands bureaucracy much better” than almost anyone in government. In 2006, Robert Dreyfuss reported for The American Prospect that when Cheney helped staff the Bush administration in 2001, he put together a “corps of hard-line acolytes” that served “as his eyes and ears” in the federal bureaucracy. Former officials called them “Dick Cheney’s spies.”

[indepat]

10. DC's political nuts need to be irreversibly clipped?

:P

[defendandprotect]

44. "Spies" will continue to serve Chaney ...and any other corrupt elected official ....

as long as there is no punishment at the end of the rainbow for them!

There is nothing new about Palace intrigue and murder ---

What is new is that many think because we have a Constitution and laws

that the intrigue and murder have stopped ---!!!!

[formercia]

77. Punishment

Co-conspirators. As the old saying goes: Hang together or surely hang separately.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

6. for you Mr Cheney.....

[liberal N proud]

11. Oh please tell us who they are

[santamargarita]

12. This goddamn asshole is a plague on mankind!

it's no surprise to me.

[Stinger2]

20. Why an Under funded FBI Could Hurt You, subprime securities fraud, mortgage fraud FBI under funding

Why an Under funded FBI Could Hurt You, subprime securities fraud, mortgage fraud FBI under funding on purpose.


It is difficult to dig out subprime securities fraud, given that the accounting rules governing these securitizations involve a
lot of subjectivity

Although the country has seen a catastrophic rise in white-collar crimes such as mortgage fraud, the Bush
Administration & rsquo;s 2009 budget has been criticized for not giving enough support and enough funds to the
FBI & rsquo;s crime fighting squads, and to the bureau in general

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:_6m0I7IbKt4J:onblass.com/news1/index2.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26do_pdf%3D1%26id%3D165+bush+underfunded+fbi&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Bush Republicans Cut Law Enforcement Funding, Violent Crime Increases For Second Consecutive Year

http://dpc.senate.gov/dpcdoc.cfm?doc_name=fs-110-1-150

Bush/Cheney Doctrine Under fund the investigators, crimes OK............ Scare Face Would Be Proud

It’s who counts the votes, not who votes. It’s who goes after the bad guys, don’t hire any bad guy catching cops and the crimes go undetected and no accountability.

[truedelphi]

64. Thank you 4 mentioning this facet of the Cheney & repug situation n/t

[dmr]

13. I think a lot of people figured Cheney would embed his minions

Cheney is an evil and dangerous man; and so is his buddy David Addington who ran rough-shod of terror over those who didn't comply with what Cheney wanted to do.

Nothing got past Addington's desk, in fact, it got to him before info got to Bush*.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2006/05/28/cheney_aide_is_screening_legislation/

I am a calm and patient person who does not holds grudges, but there's nothing I'd like better than to see these assholes in the roughest, toughest prison for their decisions that adversely impacted our nation and humanity.

I believe Hersh. I don't doubt those embedded deeply inside our government are those one would never suspect being a Cheney saboteur. Those you'd suspect are more than likely committed to follow the Obama directives, because that is what a good public servant does. Like the old adage, it's always the quiet ones, the one who quietly blends in, unnoticed and unassuming. But his eyes and ears are open, listening, reading and eavesdropping on other's conversations - just to report back to his handler.

Now, who or what is Cheney working for?

[Dinger]

16. President Obama Needs To Be Kept Safe

with bu$h/cheney's terrorist assassination ring (foreign and domestic), and their record of death and destruction, I hope President Obama is watching his back. He doesn't need one of cheney's hitmen/women near. I don't care what people say about "keeping your enemies closer."

[Tab]

14. Whenever the old bastard dies

there will be a lot of interesting things coming out of the woodwork.

[aquart]

26. Yeah, but drive a stake in him anyway.

And then, I understand, it's important to remove the head.

[BreweryYardRat]

31. You gotta burn the corpse, too.

Better safe than sorry.

[aquart]

54. Yes, yes. Leave nothing to chance.

And don't forget burial at the crossroads. I suggest several burials with different parts at different crossroads. Just to be sure.

[yodermon]

90. r u kidding, there's a nuke wired to his pacemaker

when he goes, *kabloom*

[LiberalFighter]

109. Before he dies he needs to be convicted of a crime that would require

he lose his pension and all benefits. And not recognized with a funeral at the capitol.

[MasonJar]

17. Why is Obama protecting Bush and Cheney? It makes no sense

unless they have something on him from their massive spying. They probably have blackmail material on every politician in the USA...perhaps the world.

[felinetta]

23. Yeah and they are good at making up character smears. It doesn't

have to be true.  They lie like no other!

[Politicalboi]

63. They probably have

His real birth certificate, or they control the Teleprompter :rofl:

[Hutzpa]

67. Yeah...

control the teleprompter and make him use words like misunderestimate him......:rofl:

[RaleighNCDUer]

94. Two words -

assassination ring.

[glitch]

97. Not blackmail, threats against American cities.

Until the moles are cleaned out of government the risk must be considered.

[woodsprite]

18. I figure this is why he & Rumsfeld 'retired' to their new homes

right outside the CIA compound areas on the eastern shore -- So they could still try to control things.

[Myrina]

29. Yeah, that caught my attention too ...

:scared: Fuuuuuuuuck!!! :hide:

[NJCher]

58. Bill Clinton whispered to Sarah McClintock

That there are two governments. There is the one the "president' controls and then there is the shadow government. It appears that Cheney is still leading the shadow government.


Cher

[BeatleBoot]

19. So Prosecute the "stay behind", too!

what a concept.


That's if we have 2 balls as a collective party.


Sometimes I wonder.

[No Elephants]

80. Odd. I worry a lot more about brains and heart than about testicles.

[DLnyc]

21. Spying on, and sabotaging, the government is Treason.

Obama needs to get a corps of trusted people to get wiretaps, satellite surveillance, full range of electronic transaction tracking, and so forth to expose, stop and prosecute this Treason. Now!

[Wapsie B]

28. Ready the firing squad.

[RagAss]

56. Well we do have the Patriot Act on the books....so I'm sure he's got it covered !

[Overseas]

24. K&R ! I was listening -- and trying later to remember the term "Stay Behinds"

It is chilling to contemplate how many Bush/Cheney "Stay Behinds" still permeate the government that President Obama has inherited.

[KoKo]

37. Burrow In's....like "Ear Worms" who will do his bidding... Stacking our Government with

"Cheney Clones." It's absolutely what the Fucker would do to keep his name alive for the History Books. And, he will be championed by the likes of Hudson Institute, Heritage Foundation, AIPAC, AEI and the other numerous THINK TANKS that supported the CORRUPTION OF THE LAST 30 or More Years!

OMG...He's like the "Spawn of Hitler."

[glitch]

48. Cheney's Chiggers. nt

[lonestarnot]

66. Nothing a little red fingernail polish won't cure!

[graywarrior]

25. Cheney the Dementor

[I Have A Dream]

27. I think we have a winner right here!

:thumbsup:

[baldguy]

30. Dick Cheney was the guy the phrase "...all enemies foreign and domestic" was referring to.

[Muttocracy]

65. +1 nt

[tomp]

84. yes, and all who allow/enable him. nt

[BlueJac]

32. Prosecute the asshole..

take him out entirely......oh,that would be to easy and to mean. We can't harm our own officials.

[KoKo]

38. Everyone is so afraid of him that he CANNOT be TOUCHED...

So...what is there to do about him? He RULES!

[No Elephants]

81. Say what?

[RaleighNCDUer]

96. He ran an assassination ring -

who is going to testify against him?

It's like when the government was trying to prosecute Murder Inc. - all the witnesses started turning up dead. And when it comes to killing, Cheney puts Bugsy Siegel all to shame.

[Jefferson23]

33. So Cheney is still a presence, and no one is really shocked, just

horrified at how very real is his paranoia. Remember awhile ago, Frontline did that expose on him? Many of those who spoke about Cheney, who had known him well in the past, they each called him paranoid. We did not refer to Cheney as the most dangerous man in the White House for nothing, I imagine Obama is being cautious.

[KoKo]

39. In Obama's interests...

Does he want to be "outed" in a Presidential Motorcade? You gotta be careful when dealing with these folks. After all...every President since JFK .......has been "VERY CAREFUL" not to anger the "Powers that Be."

So ...it is what it is...we need to learn to deal with it.

[DemoTex]

34. Sweet Sirius had it right.

He loved to poop on Cheney's lawn in Dallas. Regularly. Bless his doggy soul (8/25/2005). Old DUers know the oft-posted story.

[glitch]

47. What a good good dog. I hope you didn't scoop.

First time I've ever said that!

[RagAss]

57. Yes, The Prophet Sirius.

[City Lights]

35. I've said it before and I'll say it again...

Dick Cheney is the root of all evil.

:nuke:

We need some Cheney-Be-Gone.

Recommended.

[KoKo]

36. Cheney Left behind "Seeds that will Burrow and Flourish under Obama..."

Saboutage!.....Errant Monsanto Seeds filled with Genentic Clones of Cheney who will Flourish.

OMG...It's quite frightening....and yet..from what we know, so believable.

-----

HERSH: I’ll make it worse. I think he’s put people left. He’s put people back. They call it a stay behind. It’s sort of an intelligence term of art. When you leave a country and, you know, you’ve driven out the, you know, you’ve lost the war. You leave people behind. It’s a stay behind that you can continue to contacts with, to do sabotage, whatever you want to do. Cheney’s left a stay behind. He’s got people in a lot of agencies that still tell him what’s going on. Particularly in defense, obviously. Also in the NSA, there’s still people that talk to him. He still knows what’s going on. Can he still control policy up to a point? Probably up to a point, a minor point. But he’s still there. He’s still a presence.

Listen here:

The idea that Cheney would seed the government with trusted contacts is not surprising. As Hersh noted in his talk with Gross, Cheney has “been around forever” and “understands bureaucracy much better” than almost anyone in government. In 2006, Robert Dreyfuss reported for The American Prospect that when Cheney helped staff the Bush administration in 2001, he put together a “corps of hard-line acolytes” that served “as his eyes and ears” in the federal bureaucracy. Former officials called them “Dick Cheney’s spies.”

Additionally, before leaving office, the Bush administration aggressively placed political appointees into permanent civil service positions as part of a process known as “burrowing.” Some of the burrowed former political appointees have close ties to Cheney, such as Jeffrey T. Salmon, who was a speechwriter for Cheney when he served as defense secretary. In July, he was named deputy director for resource management in the Energy Department’s Office of Science

[sabrina 1]

100. So, 'when in Rome, do as the Romans do'!

Install double or triple the number of people to spy on the spies. What good is winning the presidency or Congress, if you have no power to remove the previous administration or to destroy their evil influence on this country?

If we are to just accept this, then the country is lost, there really WAS a coup, and 'electing' a new president is useless.

Don't we have a military, the FBI, the CIA and various other law enforcement agencies whose job it is, is to make sure this country is not infiltrated by 'enemies'? Surely not everyone is corrupted or too afraid to do their job?

I find it hard to believe that a new administration doesn't have some power to start removing anyone who is actively working against them. If that IS the case, then it simply means the country was successfully taken over and is no longer a democracy. And if that is the case, then what is the solution?

[3waygeek]

40. Hersh is on Olbermann as I type... n/t

[Titonwan]

41. Join a organization that is working to bring Dick DOWN!

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[Zorra]

42. Maybe his tiny little evil black POS heart will give out tonight. nt

[hyphenate]

43. A quote comes to my mind:

"Keep your friends close; keep your enemies closer."

[Generator]

Shadow change

Man behind the curtain. No matter how much you make it up, it always comes true. The nightmare never ends. The towers are always falling, the innocents are always being tortured,and America isn't a Democracy. It just never goes away.

[Generator]

45. Shadow change

Man behind the curtain. No matter how much you make it up, it always comes true. The nightmare never ends. The towers are always falling, the innocents are always being tortured,and America isn't a Democracy. It just never goes away.

[Generator]

118. Number 44

How did that happen? :tinfoilhat:

[glitch]

46. Geesus what a creepy bore.

I am so sick of Cheney and his petty dramas. And that goes for all the bushbots. At least George has managed to find a small pond in Texas to be a big fish in and we don't have to hear about him anymore.

Ugh. Why can't he just go away. Don't we get anything for letting them loot the treasury?

[defendandprotect]

49. We have to make sure that they are exposed and finished this time around . . .

prosecution is the only way to do it --

The right comes to power the only way they can . . . by violence, assassinations,
intimidation, the power of corrupt money -- and most of all by election steals.
The electronic computers became to come in during the mid and late 1960's ...
just about the time the Voting Rights Act was passed -- !!!

[Reform]

51. Obviously at least one of them is

Mr State Department Special Envoy Him Self Henry Kissinger

Check this out

Remarks by National Security Adviser Jones at 45th Munich Conference on Security Policy

U.S. National Security Adviser Jones gave these remarks at the 45th Munich Conference on Security Policy at the Hotel Bayerischer Hof on February 8, 2009.

"Thank you for that wonderful tribute to Henry Kissinger yesterday. Congratulations. As the most recent National Security Advisor of the United States, I take my daily orders from Dr. Kissinger, filtered down through Generaal Brent Scowcroft and Sandy Berger, who is also here. We have a chain of command in the National Security Council that exists today.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/18515/remarks_by_national_security_adviser_jones_at_45th_munich_conference_on_security_policy.html

[Historic NY]

53. Its time to run a false flag operation that draws them out.

[mirrera]

55. This is what "moving forward" does for our country. Time to look back and get it right.

If we had exposed the criminals of the 40's and 50's we would not have these veterans of mischief still pulling the strings.

[Politicalboi]

59. Cheney the Herpes

Of our government.

[libodem]

62. I figured

but it still really bugs me.

[The Second Stone]

68. Cheney can't be that stupid

They can put taps on his phone and those of all his cronies. The law allows that. It would be very easy to find out who is supplying Cheney info out of channels. And it's nutty, as Cheney probably has a lot of legit access. It sounds like something Cheney would do: stupid and useless.

[bottomtheweaver]

69. It doesn't sound quite right to me either.

I didn't hear the interview, but hasn't this been public knowledge since Obama reappointed all these clowns? The question is why didn't he just replace them.

Also, I don't think Cheney is the chain-puller. He and Rove are basically convenient foils for the bushlers and their pals, as far as I can tell, not that they aren't evil.

[grillo7]

70. I wouldn't underestimate Cheney...

I see him as one of the behind the scenes orchestrator more so than just a take-orders lever puller. His positions may be at times aligned with the Bushes, but he had far more influence over the last 8 years than, say, Poppy Bush did.

[bottomtheweaver]

71. I dunno.

I think the Oedipal conflict is just another story line. Did you know Poppy stayed in the White House the night before 9/11 and met with Bin Laden's brother at a Carlye Group conference that day?

http://www.wanttoknow.info/030316post

Somehow I don't think that was just a coincidence.

[grillo7]

73. That is interesting...

I didn't know about that before, and that group never surprises me, frankly. It's important to remember, too, that Poppy Bush used to head up the CIA. However, from the same article you sent me:

But even if you believe the conspiracy theories that Carlyle luminaries are pulling strings on the company's behalf, there is evidence they haven't been very good at it lately. The current Bush administration has sloughed off advice from Baker calling for restraint in the Middle East, where Carlyle has investors, and from former president Bush on the need for calm on the Korean peninsula, where Carlyle owns banks. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld even canceled the $11 billion Crusader howitzer program, a crucial contract for the Carlyle-owned United Defense company.

So I think Cheney and some of his PNAC pals--and who knows who else--may have actually been more in control under W.

[bottomtheweaver]

75. That might explain why Rummy went away

and why Korea hasn't been in the news much of late. The ever-loyal Rove also went down when he became inconvenient, and no doubt Cheney could have too, in a heartbeat. And don't forget the Washington Post is practically owned and operated by the CIA.

[grillo7]

79. Yeah, I was surprised to see Rummy and Rove go...

now if only they had gone in *handcuffs*. Anyhow, one thing we can definitely agree on is that much more is going on below the surface, and there are a lot of hidden hands at work. I still think Cheney is higher up, but I might be wrong...

[99th_Monkey]

72. One of the VERY BEST ARGUMENTS FOR PROSECUTING CHENEY'S CRIMINAL ASS that I've heard yet. ~nt~

[omega minimo]

74. paranoia strikes deep

(changed in this googled Buffalo Springfield lyric to "there are lawyer strikes deep") HOW FUCKED UP IS THAT?



there's something happinin here
what it is aint exactly clear
theres a man with a gun over there
tellin me i got to beware

i think it's time we stop, children
what's that sound
everybody look what's goin down

there's battle lines being drawn
nobody's right if everybody's wrong
young people speakin there minds
getting so much resistance far behind

it's time we stop,
hey what's that sound
everybody look what's goin down

what a field day for the heat
a thousand people in the street
singin songs that they carry inside
mostly say hurray for our side

it's time we stop,
hey what's that sound
everybody look what's goin down

there are lawyer strikes deep
into your life it will creep
it starts when your always afraid
step out of line the man come and take you away

you better stop
hey what's that sound
everybody look what's going down x4

[formercia]

78. I would bet there is a reason for Cheney to be in McLean

A lot of Beltway Bandit Intelligence contractors and it's a convenient place to run a secure hard-wire private line from his office to those in the know. He probably has a covert communications set in case he needs to contact someone without leaving his office.

He thinks he and the boys are still in charge and Obama is just some piss-ant temporary nuisance.

[stubtoe]

99. And I would bet that you are absolutely correct.

nt

[redqueen]

101. Yep.

That's how they viewed Clinton, too, isn't it?

[marlakay]

116. He used to live there many years ago in the early 80's

My republican cousins lived next door to him, my cousins husband use to be one of the top guys in an oil corporation and was on a top board. I can't remember now which one. They used to have drinks with Dick and his wife and liked them. She told me the last time I saw her that they were nice and I was thinking yes to oil friends that have money like them.

My cousins retired and moved to Santa Monica many years ago but I remember writing to her in Virgina when they lived there. At the time I wasn't into politics and didn't know who their neighbors were.

So I think his going back there is because it is a familiar area with friends close to DC and not some new thing.

I also totally believe that Cheney is up to something and does have spies, but this move I believe has more to do with his knowing the area.

[BridgeTheGap]

83. Put Cheney in prison (after prosecution, of course) and see what he can

find out from a prison cell.

[BluePatriot21]

85. Joe Lieberman

that's my pick, he's still the head of that committee, still in power and was always a cowardly republican spy.

[Marie26]

87. I'll say this for Bush,

he knew when to shut up & go away. Cheney on the other hand keeps on sneering & threatening & insidiously infiltrating government. Their actions post-Pres. really do seem to back up the stories that Cheney was the real power there, & the real source of most of the evil/awful policies of the Bush Ad. If Cheney wasn't VP, I wonder if Bush would've been half so bad.

[paparush]

91. The Left relies on working within the system. The Left trusts that justice will be done.

The Right shoots people in the head and sabatoges their airplanes.

[LiberalLovinLug]

98. Maybe we watch too many movies

The good guys always turn it around and win in the end right????


right???


guys?

[Igel]

113. Right.

MacGyver, saving the world from nuclear annihilation with his pocket knife and a piece of string.

Every bit as believable as an arch supervillain able to destroy the world with a pocket knife and a piece of string.

[kestrel91316]

102. Cheney is the greatest enemy this nation has known. When he

used to say, "They hate us for our freedoms" he was projecting.

There is only one thing to do with evil fucks like him.

[ieoeja]

103. A guy in the Pentagon during Carter's administration told me the same.

He said a lot of our national security apparatus worked to undermine Carter at every turn.

He also told me that a lot of them changed their minds about Carter after 1991. They saw the fruits of Carter's foreign policy pay off big time that year when every Muslim nation in the region got behind us 100% in liberating Kuwait. It wasn't just fear of Iraq. They all expressed great trust in the United States largely because of Carter's handling of US foreign policy in the region.

Reagan's sole foray into Middle Eastern politics caused him to tuck tail and run. So Carter was their most recent experience with the US in a big way: Yemen, Iran and the Egyptian Sinai.

I expect by now that generation is pretty much gone and replaced by another generation of Rightists who believe that they must save the United States from mistakes made by naive, peace-and-love Liberals.

[adamuu]

104. We will be safe only when he's in jail

This is a chilling comment from Hersh. I admit, it hadn't occurred to me that Cheney could still have influence. How does he maintain it? Through under-the-table payments? Extortion?

[bdamomma]

108. can someone please arrest this evil man, he is a domestic enemy.

[bdamomma]

110. this POS man is still causing alot of trouble for this administration

gets into a talk with Israel talking about Obama and the next day Israel wants to bomb the hell out of Iran, this is all Cheney, this man needs to be arrested, and I guess he is not taking the repigs advice to just go away.

[GreenTea]

111. Not just Cheney, republicans always leave behind & have moles in ALL democratic administrations

Republicans are the military Industrial complex incarnate, a party owned & paid for by the corporations & the rich....of course these fucking republicans have their moles...people who will do anything, lie about anything and who will disrupt & undermine democracy for money!

[mvd]

114. And Hersh is a very serious journalist

He's no conspiracy theorist, though some are believable. K&R

[Octafish]

115. GLADIO

NATO organized cells to rise up against the Soviet invader.

The right used the arms cache to kill innocent people and blame the Reds.

Nice people, Cheney and his friends -- ask Jimmy Carter and the "Agents for Bush" in 1980.

[captainjack08]

117. Stay Behind, Gladio, Cheney, False Flags to invoke a State of Emergency

Stay Behind invoked with regards to Cheney brings up quite a few unpleasant thoughts considering Cheney's attempts to use the War on Terror to turn the USA into a police state.

From Wikipedia:

"Gladio (Italian: sword) is a code name denoting the clandestine NATO "stay-behind" operation in Italy after World War II, intended to counter the eventual Warsaw Pact invasion of Western Europe. Although Gladio specifically refers to the Italian branch of the NATO stay-behind organisations,"Operation Gladio" is used as an informal name for all stay-behind organisations, sometimes called "Super NATO".<1>"

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"The role of the CIA in sponsoring Gladio and the extent of its activities during the Cold War era, and its relationship to terrorist attacks perpetrated in Italy during the Years of Lead and other similar clandestine operations is the subject of ongoing debate and investigation, unlike 911 which was clearly an inside job. . Italy, Switzerland and Belgium have had parliamentary inquiries into the matter.<3>"

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"Gladio has been accused of trying to influence policies through the means of "false flag" operations: a 2000 Italian Parliamentary Commission report from the Olive Tree left-wing coalition concluded that the strategy of tension used by Gladio had been supported by the United States to "stop the PCI (Italian Communist Party), and to a certain degree also the PSI (Italian Socialist Party), from reaching executive power in the country"."

A quick chronology of Italy's "strategy of tension"

* 1969 Piazza Fontana bombing

According to Avanguardia Nazionale member Vincenzo Vinciguerra: "The December 1969 explosion was supposed to be the detonator which would have convinced the politic and military authorities to declare a state of emergency"<29>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stay_behind

[RedCloud]

119. Officers who betray the Commander in Chief are guilty of treason.

I wonder what the penalty is for that!