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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 01:33 PM Original message |
Biden says U.S. does not plan to lift Cuba embargo |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
1. Saying there's no plans to and saying they would not do it are two different things. |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 01:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. There's not many hairs there to split |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 01:58 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. I think we are splitting monofilaments at this point. nt |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 02:03 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Or the Reuters story is crap. What are the odds. n/t |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. 100% chance that story is weak. nt |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. They're the only ones who have it right now. We'll see. n/t |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. If I asked you if you had plans for your vacation this year and you said no... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 11:00 AM Response to Reply #17 |
95. It's a way of not answering the question. Obama said he had NO PLANS to run for President. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
48. Sort of like "We have no plans to invade Iraq"? nt |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 07:00 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Not in concept, but in political parsing. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
2. I'd love to see the file that keeps this situation "status quo." nt |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 01:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Old political power, I'd say . . . still in control . . . ???? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 08:40 PM Response to Reply #8 |
60. Well, maybe old Fidel DID actually off someone important. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 09:07 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Castro and Cuba are supposedly . . . "The Commies are coming! The Commies are coming!" . .. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 10:11 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Naaah. It was always the Russkies who were backing him--that was never a secret. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 09:56 AM Response to Reply #64 |
70. No . . . the story was Castro/Cuba were communist . . . still is the story -- |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 10:45 AM Response to Reply #70 |
94. That doesn't make sense, though. We got friendly with the Russkies while they were still commies. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #94 |
101. Right, of course . . . |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. It's why I think there's gotta be more there than meets the eye. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 01:39 AM Response to Reply #103 |
113. Keep me posted if you hear anything interesting --- !!! |
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Metta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
3. Evil, yes. Humanity, no. Happy karma, Joe. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
4. yet more change! |
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earthside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
22. The more things "change" ... |
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Flagg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
5. It's time for both sides to swallow their pride |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 01:51 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Exactly what is Cuba supposed to do here? |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
76. One thing Cuba could do is allow ordinary Cuban citizens to have Internet access? |
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arikara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 12:17 PM Response to Reply #76 |
98. They can't get the computers even if they had the access |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #98 |
116. Maybe Chavez can get them some computers. n/t |
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Jimbo S (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #7 |
118. Fair elections? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. US policy is to punish Haiti and Cuba for demanding autonomy. |
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Mika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 09:54 AM Response to Reply #5 |
69. Cuba actually has something to be proud of. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
6. Why? |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
9. Gotta guard that perfect record on foreign policy. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
10. Fifty years later -- and we're still not lifting the ban? Bush could have done that--!!! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
11. I wonder what else he said? When has Joe ever answered in a monosyllable? |
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rabs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. I was thinking the same thing. "No" is so un-Biden-like. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 02:24 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Me, too. Before we beat Joe up, let's see if Rotters got it right. |
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rabs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. See photo #25 |
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rabs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #11 |
31. The rest of the story .... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Can I still hope Reuters got it wrong or should I just accept |
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rabs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 02:55 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Let's wait for the Spanish version (if there is one) |
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lsewpershad (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
16. Whether Joe |
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960 (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
18. God, I love Biden. He is the perfect reality foil to Obama's "change". |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #18 |
30. Sssh. |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 03:07 PM Response to Reply #18 |
39. **HEE HEE** Good one. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
19. The embargo is not the only way to ease relations and keep the change promise. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 02:26 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. An embargo is an act of war. |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 02:32 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. why would Cuba be on the terrorist list? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. You're thinking of Guantanamo. n/t |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Well, with this bonehead policy, |
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Billy Burnett (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #28 |
45. And according to others health care and education has to be forced on an unwilling Cuban population. |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 08:22 PM Response to Reply #28 |
56. Except for not having McDonalds! Well the embargo is good |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #56 |
96. That's what I was thinking |
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The abyss (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
23. Trial Balloon Story? |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. You betcha. nt |
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humbled_opinion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
34. Now is the Time... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. If it is blocked, it will be cloaked in the fake language of "human rights" |
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The abyss (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 02:59 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Oil – go for the oil. |
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antimatter98 (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
40. China and Venezuala can make Cuba into a Dubai..and then, watch how fast the US drops sanctions.. |
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lostnotforgotten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
41. Change - Didn't I hear An Awful Lot About Change We Can Believe In? |
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GreenTea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
42. Ridiculous-Lift the fucking embargo already-US Corporation are doing business with Communnist China |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #42 |
73. Why is Cuba singled out? Because, political bribes... uh... contributions |
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rollingrock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #42 |
85. Because Communist China is more than willing |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
43. From the article: |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
44. I want those angry elderly Cubans in Little Havana voting Democratic |
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monmouth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 05:22 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. You're right and they are a very influential and heavy contributing sect. |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. If we win Florida, Republicans will never win another election again |
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monmouth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 05:44 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. That's for sure. What do you think of Charlie? I'm not at all unhappy |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 08:36 PM Response to Reply #44 |
58. How can those people still even be on two feet? It's been fifty years. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 05:29 AM Response to Reply #58 |
66. Not long ago Bolivia foundGonzales "Goni" Sanchez de Lozada there and attempted |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
50. Events may well drive policy here |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
52. That ain't no story. |
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grillo7 (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
53. It's one of those annoying, pragmatic choices... |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 12:22 PM Response to Reply #53 |
100. If he doesn't lift the embargo he will lose re-election. You can't run as the "Change" |
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grillo7 (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 03:14 PM Response to Reply #100 |
105. More of a second term issue... |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. If he moves it significanty in the right direction I will be happy. And I think he can |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
54. It's better if they don't lift it. The Repugs didn't lift it because it gave them votes... |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
55. And why not, you frakking old man? |
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Swagman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
57. did Cuba actually do anything to the USA ? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 08:37 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Because their expat rightwing nutcases don't live in Florida? |
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rollingrock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 04:16 PM Response to Reply #59 |
84. The Vietnamese rightwing expats live in CA and TX |
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The abyss (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 09:06 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Not to the United States people, instead to the US "government". |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 10:33 AM Response to Reply #57 |
72. They resisted our attempts to control their country |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #57 |
99. They did things their way. |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
63. Sad. n/t |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-28-09 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
65. US Vice President: no plans to scrap Cuba embargo |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 06:09 AM Response to Original message |
67. More change you can believe in |
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Mika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 08:36 AM Response to Original message |
68. The sanctions on Cuba have nothing to do with Cuba. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 10:16 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. well said |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #68 |
75. There is a contradiction on Biden statements |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. Thanks for pointing that out. I did a search on the Cuban Five |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 03:26 PM Response to Reply #68 |
78. Biden says Cuban should be able to "live in freedom" while condoning |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Finally something popped out, but not from our corporate media, you can be sure! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Great find, Judi Lynn! |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. It's a total national disgrace, absolutely, that our own corporate stenographers have REFUSED |
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The abyss (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Judi, you are the “good” researcher. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. We get a lot of crap thrown in here by the opposition, don't we? Holy smokes! n/t |
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The abyss (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. You, and untold others cut through so much of that bullshit! |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. We're finding out some of what we should have been taught long ago, |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
74. This issue shows the insanity of political expediency |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 04:22 PM Response to Reply #74 |
86. There's a poisonous heritage which goes back a very long time. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 04:48 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. amazing photos! |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 05:00 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Your comment pushed me to look up the riot. It wasn't the only one on that trip! |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 05:11 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. yes, there is a whole lot of history there |
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Mika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 06:32 PM Response to Reply #74 |
92. There was never any real reason to sanction Cuba in the first place. |
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goforit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
93. Keep up this backward agenda. |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
97. Good grief, who is running this country? |
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conspirator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #97 |
104. The same people as always. The rich families that control the federal reserve |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. No kidding. If they are going to run things this way why even have the facade of |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
102. Obama is no disappointment |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 06:58 PM Response to Reply #102 |
109. the WH garden is just some stupid bone he can throw to the masses |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 11:29 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. Of course |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 06:47 PM Response to Original message |
108. Deleted message |
dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
110. apparently they don't want to give fidel the satisfaction and official recognition...? |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
112. The saddest part |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 07:55 AM Response to Original message |
114. Stupid nt |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
115. Maybe Congress needs to get the ball rolling. NT |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
117. uh... wouldn't normal trade relations give both economies a boost? |
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