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stevedeshazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 11:10 PM Original message |
Law for 90% tax rate could be hard to overturn |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 11:12 PM Response to Original message |
1. Yup. It's just people making shit up saying otherwise. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 11:17 PM Response to Original message |
2. Boo hoo. I feel for them. NOT. nt |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
3. REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR the LARGEST TAX INCREASE in |
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stevedeshazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 11:30 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Yes indeedy, Reagan doubled the FICA tax. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 02:27 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Enjoy, enjoy. |
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DUlover2909 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-19-09 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
5. Excellent. Taxes aren't punishment, even though Tweety tried like hell to say it is. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 02:28 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. They're a just and patriotic duty to your country. |
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Zavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #7 |
63. They're a legal obligation. |
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NeoConsSuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. Great post! |
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bobburgster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 03:26 AM Response to Original message |
8. Unconstitutional..... |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 03:33 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Really? Then please cite the exact clause. |
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bobburgster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 04:08 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Ex Post Facto.... |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 08:34 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Well exactly what the fuck do you think the max rate should be? |
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Zavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 01:58 PM Response to Reply #15 |
64. This is why I stray outside the Lounge less frequently every week. |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 07:38 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. By the time you figure in all the the contributory taxes and government fees..... |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 06:29 PM Response to Reply #11 |
34. The ex post facto clause refers to criminal proceedings. |
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TwixVoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 03:09 PM Response to Reply #34 |
68. BS |
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melm00se (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:26 AM Response to Reply #10 |
18. Article 1, Section 9 |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 12:00 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. There is also an issue of whether that would be taking of property without due process. |
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melm00se (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. yup |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 06:32 PM Response to Reply #22 |
36. No. The government has the undisputed authority to levy taxes. |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 06:30 PM Response to Reply #18 |
35. Again, ex post facto and bill of attainder do not refer to taxation. |
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SteelPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 07:47 AM Response to Reply #35 |
49. United States v. Carlton 1994 |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 11:25 AM Response to Reply #49 |
58. thank you, SteelPenguin! |
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bobburgster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-26-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #58 |
78. Hmmmm |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:48 AM Response to Reply #8 |
20. oh geez |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:40 PM Response to Reply #8 |
71. ahh - we have another one, folks...!!! |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 03:33 AM Response to Original message |
9. Clearly a 90% tax rate is legal. |
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bobburgster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 04:14 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. I agree on retro... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
26. Courts have upheld Congress making tax rates retroactive to the start of the year |
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Angleae (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 01:32 PM Response to Reply #9 |
27. But is a 90% tax on employees of company X legal? |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 02:03 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. That's not how this tax bill was written. |
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Flora (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 04:24 AM Response to Original message |
13. Any word yet |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 07:19 AM Response to Original message |
14. Saying that high tax rates are not novel misses the point. The issue is whether |
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twitomy (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 08:36 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. I Agree with you |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-27-09 12:37 PM Response to Reply #16 |
79. this sounds suspiciously like the RW version |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 03:05 PM Response to Reply #14 |
30. The answer is "yes" |
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GeorgeGist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
17. U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 9 |
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Rwalsh (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
19. Why single out just AIG? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. The bill passed in the House would apply to any company that recieved over $5 billion in TARP money |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 06:01 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. I think all you need is a DVR to prove the intent of the tax |
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GinaMaria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 08:07 AM Response to Reply #32 |
51. what if the American Tax payer funded those Tarantino movies? |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 10:52 AM Response to Reply #51 |
56. Has not squat to do with the Constitution |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 10:01 AM Response to Reply #32 |
53. The way I look at it seems simple to me |
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B2G (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #53 |
59. Bingo. n/t |
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christx30 (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 08:44 PM Response to Reply #19 |
41. Or better yet |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:44 PM Response to Reply #41 |
72. Gee - you're from texASS, what a surprise... |
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Irish Girl (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
21. Legalities questioned ... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 12:05 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. I agree. Who is baiting us this time, though? Not Bush. I think the media is |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 10:57 PM Response to Reply #21 |
45. Congress has the power to pass and collect this tax. |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:57 AM Response to Reply #21 |
48. They're rushing to pass the law? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
29. LOL at all of those saying "Unconstitutional" as if it were a magic word. |
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Irish Girl (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. How I would argue the point |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 06:05 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. I don't think the "LOL" argument is admissible in federal court |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. I don't think that this will be necessarily catch fewer than 100. |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. My recollection is that "ex post facto" may also refer to civil laws, |
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christx30 (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 08:47 PM Response to Reply #29 |
42. Let's hit you up |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:46 PM Response to Reply #42 |
73. again - "logic" from texASS... |
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CAcyclist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
39. I've been saying for years we need a new 90% tax bracket |
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Zavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 02:10 PM Response to Reply #39 |
66. This makes me less comfortable with the idea. |
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Generator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
40. I have fucking had it on this AIG bullshit |
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B2G (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 09:16 PM Response to Original message |
43. You all do realize |
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Thor_MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 04:58 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. If true, that would shoot down that whole "bill of attainder" arguement |
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B2G (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 09:20 AM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Interesting thought process there |
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Thor_MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 10:48 AM Response to Reply #52 |
55. You really consider those to be equivalent outcomes? |
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B2G (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. You don't seem to get it |
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Thor_MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:11 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. I know exactly what it is about. |
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B2G (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 06:53 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. I'm not in favor of paying for poor performance |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:49 PM Response to Reply #57 |
75. And WE have already been screwed for YEARS by the REPUKE CONGRESS!!! |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 09:47 PM Response to Reply #52 |
74. The REPUKE congress has ALREADY passed punative tax legislation on me..this just CORRECTS that WRONG |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 12:38 PM Response to Reply #52 |
77. If I get rich enough for it to affect me |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 09:18 PM Response to Original message |
44. It's never going to pass the senate |
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Alhena (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 11:37 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. That's what Stephonapolous said today- no chance it becomes law |
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ellie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
50. WOO HOO! |
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ProgressIn2008 (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
54. Empty theater. "Obama Uneasy About Tax on Bonuses" now. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
62. Windfall profits tax . . . and it should also be on ExxonMobil's huge earnings . . . |
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Staneck (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
65. We the people should demand that the bonuses be returned |
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Zavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-22-09 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
67. To me, this is really scary. |
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Summermoondancer (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
76. If it were |
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