4 Tons of Fertilizer Stolen From Store

[kpete]

Source: Washington Post

4 Tons of Fertilizer Stolen From Store

By Martin Weil
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, March 2, 2009; B03

At least four tons of fertilizer was stolen over the weekend in Frederick, city police said. No motive had been determined.

A ton of urea and three tons of other fertilizer were taken from the Southern States store on South Street between Saturday night and Sunday morning, police said.

According to police, the fertilizer was contained for the most part in white 50-pound bags with a company logo.

Fertilizer thefts have attracted increased attention from law enforcement officials in recent years because some types of fertilizer can be used in making explosives. It was not immediately clear whether the materials taken could be used for such a purpose.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/01/AR2009030102402_pf.html

[ZombieHorde]

I was hungry and low on cash. nt

[derby378]

10. Wouldn't you be happy with some chicken teriyaki?

:rofl:

[crikkett]

65. aren't those ingredients for crystal meth? n/t

[FirstLight]

73. i think bombs..like the Oklahoma City event...n/t

[villager]

1. Now what is CPAC up to?

n/t

[glinda]

2. Why... they are planning their "Tea-Party".

[villager]

12. yes... teabaggers, all..

n/t

[condoleeza]

81. My thought exactly, tasty stuff that..

[slackmaster]

3. The motive isn't hard to figure out

The thief didn't want to pay for the stuff.

:dunce:

[babylonsister]

8. Four tons? A farmer thief, fer sure. nt

[slackmaster]

19. Spring is just around the corner

And has been stated by at least one other, I don't know of any possible criminal use for urea. If the other three tons was ammonium nitrate, I'd be checking out every tobacco farmer within 50 miles of there.

[Grinchie]

86. Self Delete

I made an error

[sofa king]

119. Urea nitrate is a very effective blasting agent.

Like many other comparatively innocuous substances such as glycerin and toluene, urea can be nitrated, and when it is, urea nitrate becomes a very effective blasting agent (nitration of glycerin yields nitroglycerin; nitration of toluene yields trinitrotoluene, or TNT).

A notable but unsuccessful use of urea nitrate was in the 1993 World Trade Center bombings.

[slackmaster]

122. Yes, but if someone was stealing stuff with the intent of making a bomb

Why would they steal one ton of potentially useful precursor material and three tons of stuff that cannot conceivably be used for that purpose?

Acquiring a bunch of ammonium nitrate would be a whole lot less of a hassle than stealing a ton of urea and nitrating it.

[sofa king]

124. Can't answer that one.

I think it's possible to use yet another chemical process to convert fertilizers back into nitric acid, but I'm a terrible chemist and I don't want to speculate too openly about it, either.

But I agree, the most likely motive is scoring free fertilizer, which I'm sure is getting quite expensive these days.

[rrneck]

4. ruh roh

:nuke:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

5. Well, that's shitty news. -nt

[Soylent Brice]

38. DUzy.

[liberal N proud]

6. Why are they not saying what the "other fertilizer" is?

Urea is probably useless in making explosives and that is why they named it.

Who did Limbaugh rile up to the point they are going to blow something up.

[kirby]

41. 19-19-19 fertilizer...

A store representative told police that 6,000 pounds of "19-19-19" fertilizer and 2,000 pounds of urea were missing.

Source: http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm?StoryID=87131

[formercia]

52. Urea can't be used as an explosive

It's like stealing 2,000 pounds of glycerin. Unless it's nitrated, it's essentially inert.

[slackmaster]

69. But a combination of urea and 19-19-19 fertilizer would be quite useful for one other purpose

As fertilizer.

[FarCenter]

105. 19-19-19 is a combination of urea, amonium polyphosphate, and potassium chloride

http://books.google.com/books?id=qPkoOU4BvEsC&pg=PA488&lpg=PA488&dq=fertilizer+19-19-19+composition&source=bl&ots=dGBHCoXhWS&sig=lMxHS5cqcLIv4nBPDMNN6gXeaFc&hl=en&ei=wqasSdeEBo-EtgfVodGBBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result

[ET Awful]

7. IT wasn't immediately clear????

Ummm, it should be pretty freakin' readily available information to the store whether it was ammonium nitrate that was stolen or not.

As to urea, hell, I used to use that a an additive in making tie-dye's, it helps the water accept more dye so you can get bolder colors :).

[damntexdem]

11. Uh oh -- explosive tie-dyes: the bomb they can't detect!

;-)

[SacredCow]

9. That's scary....

3 tons would make one helluva bomb.

:scared:

[JayMusgrove]

14. 4 tons all in 50 pound bags... pretty sophisticated theft, IMO........

8000 pounds/50 = 160 bags

Think of the size of the truck that you would need for that. This is no teenage prank, nor a single farmer stocking up to save some cost for this year's planting.

I'd be willing to guess this is attracting a lot of local, state police and FBI attention today.

[JerseygirlCT]

16. That's what I was thinking, too

And a 50lb bag isn't all that easy to heft, anyway. There must have been either a lot of bodies involved, or some good machinery, don't you think?

[Kevin Cloyd]

36. Farmers heft 50# bags with ease

Seed comes in bags around 50# and I've seen farmers unload 100 bags without breaking a sweat. But 4 tons of fertilizer isn't much for a farm these days, I'd check the lawn care companies in the area.

[JerseygirlCT]

49. Wow. More power to them

I'm pretty sure that's way out of my range!

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

107. You just need to get a pellet stove

LostinVA and I moved 3 tons of pellets from one side of the yard to the shed on the other side in about an hour or so.

I weigh 95lbs, and I drag a bag of pellets from the shed out back all the way around the house and inside every day. Usually while smoking a cigarette and yelling at the puppy for being in my way.

[LanternWaste]

66. Probably more effective to check out all the Angry White Male

"I'd check the lawn care companies in the area..."

Probably more effective to check out all the Angry White Male listeners of Hannity, Beck and the leader of the GOP (Rush Limbaugh) in the area.

[jmowreader]

43. A 50 pound bag is very easy to heft

I am not the biggest guy in the world, but I can carry a 50-pound bag of dry goods in one hand.

[JerseygirlCT]

50. Okay! I'm just a wussie girl!

I get it! LOL. Sounds pretty heavy to me, still. But I'm not likely to be the one sneaking off with that many bags, then, am I? You'd hear me groaning for miles!

[jmowreader]

58. We wouldn't hear you groaning at all

You'd be the one shoving the shit into the back of your pickup with the forklift no one ever takes the key out of.

[JerseygirlCT]

59. LOL! nt

[Muttocracy]

101. :-D I did have an incident where a bunch of guys were trying to move a frig

and this girl was the one who said, um, use the moving dolly cart? :)

[Codeine]

70. Fifty pounds?

That's really not much for an even partially-in-shape person to toss onto a utility trailer.

[Agent William]

22. That's just a couple pallets.

Really it's not that hard to jack 4 tons of fertilizer. I could probably steal that much if I wanted to and I could probably get away with it too..But I'm not that kind of person. All you have to do is break in after hours, jump in the fork lift, load the fertilizer in the back of trailer, and Bobs your uncle. And yes that's enough for a single farmer, a single desperate farmer. That's tens of thousands in fertilizer.

[jmowreader]

39. Four skids, anyway....

I just talked to my wife about this--she used to work in a Home Depot garden department, so has a great deal of experience in bagged fertilizer. She said 50-pound bags of most fertilizer come palletized 40 to the skid, or a ton per pallet.

I haven't loaded a truck with a forklift in quite some time, but if I had one guy with me it wouldn't be any problem whatsoever to load and tarp four skids of fertilizer in twenty minutes.

Personally, I think the urea was a mistake--they probably went in there to steal four skids of 10-10-10 or some other easily-sold fertilizer and got three 10-10-10 and one urea.

If they sent me to track down the fertilizer, I wouldn't start investigating farmers at first. I'd start with landscapers. They're probably even more desperate than farmers are right now.

[SacredCow]

35. The ton of Urea isn't too useful for anything other than fertilizer...

Ammonium Nitrate is the one that would be scary.

[philk17088]

95. Ice melter

It works for ice melter too.

[rcrush]

13. Maybe it was for the worlds biggest pot farm?

Thats some good bud.

[slackmaster]

20. That, or tobacco

I believe quite a bit of that is grown not far from there, and it is now planting season.

[WheelWalker]

24. Nitrogen's bad for bud, I think.

[slackmaster]

29. It likes chicken manure just fine

:hide:

[Xithras]

30. No, nitrogen is ESSENTIAL for bud. It's the ratios that are important.

Thinking back to my college days... it's the NPP mixture that counts. For small plants, you fertilize using a 10-10-10 mixture (10% nitrogen, 10% phosphorus, 10% potassium, 70% water). When they reach flowering size, the mixture changes to 5%, 15%, 5%.

A nitrogen starved plant will simply die.

[WheelWalker]

40. Indeed, I was speaking proportionally. I favor a 9-45-15 formulation.

[XemaSab]

83. NPK, not NPP

n/t

[Xithras]

89. True...it's been a while

My chemistry AND bud growing days are distant memories at this point.

[Xithras]

27. You joke, but a pot farm is a real possibility.

Most of the major pot farms being uncovered today have complex irrigation systems and are heavily fertilized to promote beter plant growth. Since planting season is approaching, it's certainly possible that some pot growing ring stole the fertilizer to save money (and reduce the paper trail) for their grow operations.

[Still Sensible]

15. Some potentially bad shit comin' down.

They need to find that stuff ASAP. Nobody steals that much fertilizer to put in their garden. The OKC bomb McVeigh made was a little over half as big, somewhere around 2.5 tons I believe.

[Myrina]

17. One reeeeallly big bomb, or a few smaller ones ...

:shrug: Either way, the feds better get ta' lookin!!

[spotbird]

37. Could this be the attack Cheney was

forecasting?

How does shit like this happen 15 years after the OKC bombing?

[populistdriven]

79. you cannot use this for ANFO see previous posts

[corpseratemedia]

18. here come the home-grown Limbaugh terrorists again

blowing up toddlers in day-care centers and people attending universalist churches

I hope they find this stuff and/or that it wasn't stolen for their tea-bagging war against normal people.

[Sodbuster]

21. Urea can be used as cattle feed, not as an explosive, although an exploding

cow would make a great Monty Python bit. As one of the other posters said it is more interesting
what the other fertilizers were.

[wackywaggin]

34. Not Exactly

Urea is a stabilizer in nitrocellulose explosives. :nuke:

[WheelWalker]

42. A little urea and a splash of nitric acid

and you've got something.

[Sodbuster]

80. Guess I was misinformed about Urea. Thanks for the info.

[wackywaggin]

23. Big Truck ,cameras on buildings and roadways everywhere today,

How hard can it be to find the truck?

[jmowreader]

46. Very hard. This really isn't a huge amount.

You could carry four skids of merchandise in a $29.95/day U-haul, and no one would know it's in there.

[BR_Parkway]

25. Twice what McVeigh had - and not too much farming happening

45 minutes from downtown DC

[denverbill]

31. That's what I'm thinking too. Broke farmers just wouldn't put down fertilizer.

Non-farmers look kinda suspicious buying that much.

Looks like Rush and Company are having an impact.

[BR_Parkway]

44. Police reports says suspect is balding white guy 45-55 - I think they

should be talking to Rush and his crew. I've no doubt that he's stirred up enough for someone to go batshit crazy and do something terrible. They've just been waiting for someone to inflame the embers that banked down slightly after the Palin rallies

[dixiegrrrrl]

72. It's Joe !!!!!!

Balding.....check
white guy....check
willing to steal from others....check

[jmowreader]

26. Is there a market for hot fertilizer?

Urea has a lot of uses in addition to fertilizer. Now...considering this is the GOP-friendly Washington Post, if they'd taken ammonium nitrate I think they would have said they did--OMG the Evil Terrorist Sympathizer Barack Hussein Osama allowed all this deadly explosive to fall into the hands of evildoers!

But geeze, four friggin' tons of fertilizer...someone probably told Farmer Brown they could get him good Southern States fertilizer for less than half the price it sells for at the store, and he took them up on it.

[Kevin Cloyd]

28. 4 tons isn't much for a farmer

Farmers rarely use bagged fertilizer, they buy it in bulk and it is applied by dump-truck sized trucks that have a spreader on the back not unlike the way salt is spread by the highway dept. Fertilizer can also be applied by the seed planter as a crop is planted The form of fertilizer used to make bombs, ammonium nitrate, is no longer easily available. Anhydrous ammonia, the fertilizer used for corn, can be used to make meth. If I was looking for the culprit I’d start at area lawn care companies

[Tashca]

45. Lawn companies

My first thought too!!

heck 4 tons at 400# acre would only do about 20 acres. Maybe a small vegetable farmer. I don't know of any other type farmer who would use bags except maybe Amish.

Ammonium Nitrate?.....there is no way in hell some store is even going to be able to get that.

[XemaSab]

85. Anhydrous ammonia is a gas

and it comes in tanks, not sacks.

[Kevin Cloyd]

90. Almost

Actually the Anhydrous used by farmers is a liquid that, when released from the pressurized tank, becomes a gas. I mentioned Anhydrous being used to make meth because the theft of Anhydrous is a BIG BIG PROBLEM in farm country.

[WheelWalker]

32. ammonium nitrate, urea, and nitric acid were used in the WTC bombing in 1993, I think.

[madrchsod]

33. someone is building a truck bomb

[thereismore]

48. That's what I thought. nt

[cognoscere]

61. Somebody believes

they are building a truck bomb, because in their minds, all they need is fertilizer and fuel oil. Never mind that ANFO needs a specific type of fertilizer as well as the proper amount of oil. What we really need to do is set up some place where these guys can steal a few pounds of iodine crystals and ammonia and then watch for the purple cloud.

[slackmaster]

64. Also never mind that there wasn't any AN stolen in this incident

Details, details.

[jmowreader]

115. Or that ANFO is a cast-iron bitch to set off

According to the Special Forces engineer who taught me to blow shit up, ANFO has to be capped with dynamite--it is highly INSENSITIVE, which is one of the reasons mining companies like it. (The other is it's very inexpensive.)

So let's see...you need ammonium nitrate you can't get unless they know you, some diesel, possibly some nitromethane you can't get unless you can show them your race car, some dynamite you can't get without an explosives license...gee, it looks like the only part of a truck bomb you can get easily is a truck!

[kirby]

47. More info...

19-19-19 fertilizer was the 'other'.

http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm?StoryID=87131

[Tashca]

51. Good general vegetable fertilizer analysis

Someone stocking up for things to come???

[slackmaster]

54. 19-19-19 definitely points to one of two candidates

Lawn care company, or a specialty exotic grower e.g. orchids.

It definitely rules out truck bombers.

[denverbill]

67. It doesn't rule out truck bombers. Only ones who know what they are doing.

But at least we know if it was a truck bomber wannabee, he's not a very bright one, and he'll need to steal again to get any closer to his goal.

[slackmaster]

68. I've never heard of a way to make a bomb out of a balanced fertilizer like that

It's loaded up with phosphates and inert salts, none of which goes BOOM.

[denverbill]

76. I didn't mean to imply he could make a bomb that worked.

I meant to imply he wanted to make a bomb and only knew he needed fertilizer, not that it was a particular type of fertilizer.

[slackmaster]

109. I think it's more likely that the thieves stole the fertilizer

To use it as fertilizer.

[tclambert]

53. Does Rush Limbaugh have an alibi?

[TBF]

78. lol n/t

[Butch350]

55. Frederick, city - Where the hell is that...

If someone is gonna write a news story that is going to be circulated outside of their local
area you'd think the Ding Bat would include the state name as well as the city. Where the F**K is Frederick F**KING City?

[gaijinlaw]

77. Maryland

It's a suburb of D.C. WaPo is actually somebody's local paper.

On an unrelated note, there are some very tasty decaffinated coffees available now.

[hootinholler]

102. Remember Barbara Fritchie?

Harm if you must his old grey head, but spare our county's flag instead?

Maybe Francis Scott Key? He's planted in the cemetery here.

Ft Deitrick? You know the bug lab?

Here in Md. it's kinda known, but I see your point.

Oh and those people who say it's a suburb of DC? That's not all that accurate. Frederick goes back to F&I war times. Early 1700s.

-Hoot

[WorseBeforeBetter]

125. And the Mountainview Diner.

Pastistio almost as good as mine. ;-)

[Politicalboi]

56. Another questionable event Oklahoma

How come they found 3 bombs in the building? How come those 3 bombs were never talked about again? Not only was the truck filled with shit so was the governments story about it. Just watch this clip. It's the clip of the event and what was happening. And they talk about other bombs. They even took bombs away from the site. We were told Timmy did it. How did Timmy put bombs in a Federal Building? Not just any building a FEDERAL building. How does this shit happen? Just like being able to ID bodies but not planes. Impossible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWwrEEP8EBk

[lib2DaBone]

60. Why was Chandra Levy going to go public with Tim McVie's File?

..Why did she end up dead? Why was her main squeeze (a married man) Con. Gary Conditt in charge of the Intelligence Committee and the OKC Investigation?

It's just a "ball of confusion" and no one cares.

Too much "pillow talk"?

[nc4bo]

57. Here we go.

:shiver:

[freeplessinseattle]

62. interesting, a Medium episode a week ago had a fertilizer

bomb storyline. not saying these people got the idea from the show, it's not like they couldn't do their own research, just kind of trippy (since the show is based on dream premonitions)

[progressoid]

63. a ton of urea

I'm going to do my part now.

[nolabels]

114. Instead of aiming for the back fender just shoot for filler neck!

Clearing the Air
EPA ready to set urea guidelines
By RICHARD TRUETT | AUTOMOTIVE NEWS
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060829/FREE/60828027/1024/LATESTNEWS

[intaglio]

71. FFS if the 3 tons is ammonium nitrate

then someone is looking to build a big bomb. I hope that the urea fertiliser taken is not urea nitrate because that is even bigger trouble.

please remember the RW were responsible for Oklahoma and used a fertiliser based bomb.

[slackmaster]

74. It's not ammonium nitrate

http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm?StoryID=87131

And even if it was, this still sounds like a garden-variety (heh) simple theft.

[northofdenali]

75. Really large, community-based gardening effort?

Farmer in trouble?

And now, the rest of the story........... :sarcasm:

[XemaSab]

82. Might we be seeing this again?

:shrug::scared:

[Grinchie]

84. Next thing they will do is Classify Compost as a Fertilizer and potentially dangerous

Consider this!

Compost can oxidize and create deadly heat!
Compost can kill insects and other lifeforms!
Compost can reduce matter to almost nothing!
Compost harbors organisms which have not agreed to be with us or against us!
Compost threatens our economy due to competition with the Chemical industry!
Compost is a fertiziler like the one used in the Oklahoma City blast and the WTC on February 26th, 1993!

[nichomachus]

87. I recently saw four tons of fertilizer

giving the keynote speech at the CPAC event.

[Grinchie]

88. I saw that too!

It was an enviromental disaster, A gigantic deiseased Blowfish was seen gasping for Oxygen in the aftermath of the disaster.

>

[nichomachus]

92. The resemblance to Boss Tweed is uncanny

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/Boss_Tweed,_Nast.jpg/553px-Boss_Tweed,_Nast.jpg

[jmowreader]

104. Fertilizer with fucking Roundup mixed into it, you mean

It stinks really bad, plus it kills everything it touches.

[HopeHoops]

91. Well shit.

[slackmaster]

113. That's what I use

[philk17088]

93. Not explosive fertilizer.

Profit was probably the motive, fertilizer prices for farmers and lawn care operators have risen astronomically in the last year. A bag of Urea last spring was $14 in Dec it was $38.

[BrightKnight]

106. Landscape companies are hurting now.

Not much is being built. I know of a couple of companies that have gone out of business.

[Career Prole]

94. Must be a band fundraiser.

I live in a rural area and since I sold my buddies at work my daughter's Girl Scout cookies I'd buy the fundraising items from their kids.

One year the high school band of which my best buddy's daughter was a member sold bags of fertilizer for their fundraiser.

He got the Thin Mints and I got a bag of shit. :shrug:

[roseBudd]

96. Another example of why we need newspapers, what bloggers are poring over police reports or listen to

police scanners all day like they do in newsrooms?

[ohio2007]

97. times are tough for pot farmers seeing how the banks "just say no" nt

[Optical.Catalyst]

98. Four tons of bagged fertilizer?

Probably has a retail value of $3000. Fertilizer has about doubled in price over the last couple of years

Most likely it was just an ordinary criminal theft to make a quick buck. Police will find it being used by landscaping companies around DC and Baltimore this summer.

[Demeter]

99. Can You Say "Truck Bomb"?

sheesh. must it be spelled out in a ransom note?

[slackmaster]

112. Can you say "Reading Is Fundamental"?

:argh:

[Earth_First]

100. 3 tons of 19-19-19 is only 135 50-pound bags...

This is likely felony grand-theft where by most likely the product will end up on craigslist or sold 'off the truck' to a landscape company.

[Odin2005]

103. Fuck. It didn't take long for the Freepers to resort to terrorism.

They better catch him before people die.

[slackmaster]

111. Nobody is going to die

Read the fucking thread.

[Mr. Hyde]

108. anhydrous ammonia is often stolen for making meth. Perhaps that's what the "other" fertlizer was?

[slackmaster]

110. No

It was 19-19-19.

Anhydrous ammonia isn't shipped in bags, at least not on this planet.

[eppur_se_muova]

116. "Not on this planet" -- best-placed qualifying phrase I've seen on DU in some time. nt

:)

[slackmaster]

120. Thanks

I figure you could probably bag the stuff on Neptune.

:-)

[and-justice-for-all]

117. Just people doing what Rush told them to do...nt

[slackmaster]

121. Another person who hasn't bothered to read any of the replies

:nuke:

[and-justice-for-all]

123. ...

:eyes:

[Deja Q]

118. No motive? Maybe they're going to build a big pretty rose garden?

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[Zorra]

126. Probably just a few RW wackos like McVeigh and Nichols getting supplies

to blow up some more innocent little kids at a daycare.

[slackmaster]

128. Or not

http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm?StoryID=87131

[hunter]

127. I heard terrorists stole a couple of cows.

They are going to build a giant slingshot out of bungee cords and bomb San Francisco.

Everyone please be safe and watch out for falling cows.