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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 11:07 AM
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'Eight killed' in US missile strikes in Pakistan
Source: AFP

'Eight killed' in US missile strikes in Pakistan

PESHAWAR, Pakistan (AFP) – At least eight people were killed Sunday in two suspected US missile strikes in northwest Pakistan near to the border with Afghanistan, security officials said.

"Two missiles fired by a suspected US drone hit a compound in Sararogha, in tribal South Waziristan region, killing at least eight suspected militants," a security official told AFP.

The region is a known haven for Taliban and Al-Qaeda extremists.

"It was a Taliban sanctuary, which was destroyed in the attack," another security official said.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090301/wl_sthasia_afp/pakistanafghanistanunrestusmissile
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 12:18 PM
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1. "suspected militants"
How many women and children?

Why should we believe anything these mutherfuckers say?
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 12:24 PM
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2. schools out
Edited on Sun Mar-01-09 12:26 PM by ohio2007
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 12:51 PM
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5. great video--missed the original thread--thanks
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 12:41 PM
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3. Droning soon, to a town or village near you.
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Malidictus Maximus Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 12:45 PM
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4. ANY time we kill Taliban
someone somewhere is going to say "The US killed civilians". Well, doh. Bin Laden is technically a civilian.
Obama promised he'd get the motherfucker and, to be honest, if you are within a quarter mile of any Taliban leader when we find them then I don't really care if your ass is toast.

I don't, and never did, support Bushco's invasion or Iraq or plan to create a long term presence in Afghanistan, on the other hand I have no problem with our military, led by our President, finding and killing the assholes who have harmed us and want to harm us. It was a Democratic President who finished off WW2 with a nuke and just because I'm progressive on unions, healthcare and the environment doesn't mean I have a great problem sterilizing areas where our enemies and their supporters are hanging out, regardless of where any national borders are drawn.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 12:59 PM
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6. What are your coordinates?
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Malidictus Maximus Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 01:02 PM
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7. North by Northwest
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 11:06 AM
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10. So you support indiscriminate killing of civilians
Does it bother you that killing of civilians because combatants can't be bothered not to is a war crime?
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 12:29 PM
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12. UN reports Taliban responsible for over 1/2 of civilian deaths in Afghanistan.. I suspect Pakistan
civilian deaths under the new Taliban regime are going to be much higher in the comming years with the defeat of the Pak army/police. Although it seems Pak army has hired "Baghdad Bob" to report on actions in the badlands;
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/02/28/2504132.htm?section=justin
Do you support the Taliban laying down the law in both countries ?
They are a backwards people without a doubt and may belong to the dark ages they yearn for.
Afterall,
it seems Mihael Vick would be welcomed in the sports world of that region;
A new UN report accuses Taliban insurgents for more than half of the 2,118 civilian casualties in the last year. Meanwhile, a US-based human rights group has said that Afghans are losing confidence in international coalition forces Kabul: The number of civilians killed in Afghanistan's worsening conflict jumped 40% to a new high last year, and more than half of the deaths were inflicted by Taliban insurgents and other militants, the United Nations said last week.The report said insurgents increasingly use roadside bombs, car bombs and suicide bombers in attacks that are "undertaken regardless of the impact on civilians."

Two of the worst civilian tolls from insurgent attacks came in a February suicide bombing at a dog fight in Kandahar that the UN said killed 67 civilians and a car bombing at the Indian Embassy last July that killed 55 civilians.


Commanders of US and other international troops in Afghanistan have long sought to emphasise how militant attacks kill far more civilians than the soldiers or officials targeted.

The UN said a record 2,118 civilians died from violence last year, up from 1,523 the previous year.

Its report blamed insurgent attacks for 55% of the deaths – 1,160, compared to 700 in 2007. It said US, NATO and Afghan government forces accounted for 39% of those killed – 828, compared to 629 in 2007.

......
http://southasia.oneworld.net/todaysheadlines/un-concerned-over-civilian-deaths-in-afghanistan



Obama has made a decision to stand and fight it out in Afghaistan. You can curse him for that decision or wish the CNC luck and God speed because,
a lot of civilian human shields will be in his path while the media stringers in the field will be far and few in reporting details.
"If it bleeds,it leads" they say


Top Afghanistan minister estimates Taliban force at between 10,000 and 15,000 fighters
By ANNE GEARAN | AP Military Writer
3:32 PM CST, February 27, 2009
WASHINGTON (AP) — Afghanistan's interior minister says there may be between 10,000 and 15,000 Taliban fighting inside his country, and the insurgent group is operating across about 17 provinces. Mohammad Hanif Atmar offered a rare estimate of the size of his government's most organized and potent opponent during a visit to Washington. A large delegation of senior Afghan officials was in the U.S. capital this week, along with a delegation from Pakistan.

Both groups were weighing in as the new Obama administration forms a new strategy for the war in Afghanistan and a related policy for Pakistan. Afghan officials say they told their hosts that a new strategy must include better cooperation from Pakistan, where Taliban and other militants have command operations.

Afghan and Pakistani officials met separately this week, as well as in three-way sessions with U.S. hosts. President Barack Obama has named a new envoy to manage an overhaul of U.S. policy toward a region Obama calls the real central front against terrorism.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/sns-ap-us-afghanistan-taliban,0,4321234.story
Seems the media will extend the honeymoon in the ner term while
imo
the Afghan war is about to morph into something few are ready to accept.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/rssarticleshow/msid-4208959,prtpage-1.cms

Then again, they could turn over some of bin Ladens DNA and this will all change 180 degrees
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 01:04 PM
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13. Not really a big concern of mine
You wrote: Do you support the Taliban laying down the law in both countries ?

Actually, I don't care a whole lot one way or the other. The Taliban and their ilk have been in charge of the Pashtun areas for a long time now, and I expect they will still be in charge for a long time to come.

So what's your question? Or point?

- B
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 08:44 PM
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15. see #14 post
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 11:17 AM
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11. An eye for an eye makes the world blind
Obama is more than a day late and more than a dollar short on the war in Afghanistan. No one cares about getting even with the Taliban anymore. Osama is probably dead, and even if he is alive we would have to risk Pakistan setting off a nuclear bomb before we got Osama. It is just not worth it.

It's about time our government addressed the serious problems here at home, rather than stirring up hostilities abroad. It is just plain stupid to be sticking our noses over there especially given the crisis at home.


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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 08:44 PM
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14. A view of "civilians" looking up at a drone in early Dec, 2008 (video)
question;
When do they stop being soldiers and become civilians?


Hakimullah Mehsud

Pakistani Taliban 2009 ^ Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) of Pakistan. ^ Pakistani Taliban commander Hakimullah Mehsud is featured in this short clip. ^ Taliban fire a few celebratory rounds @ enemy jet overhead and have a meeting. ^ This was filmed in very late 2008.


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4dd_1236037123

answer;
when the drone drops the bomb on them


Talk about hindesite being 20/20, this video interview pretty much is a prediction come true
Taliban Commander Threatens Pakistan (rare interview)

Hakeem Ullah Mehsud, Taliban Commander threatens to take over Peshawar & all areas of Pakistan if NATO does not cease it's campaign.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a55_1229033194


Seems like he made good on his promise to rout the Pakistan govt from.....well... Pakistan

inspite of the $200k bounty on his head.



Just putting a face to Obama's war on terror
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dcindian Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 01:42 PM
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8. You are all guilty
And I am not a murderer. Let's see how much more of Pakistan is lost this time next year.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 11:02 AM
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9. Taliban may take over Karachi: ( financial district and port )
The ship of state is going down .Islamabad will fall like Saigon and submit to the laws imposed
KARACHI/ NEW DELHI: The Taliban's terror network is spreading across Pakistan ....

The Taliban "could take the city hostage at any point", according to police in the report submitted to the Sindh government and provincial police chief.

The Taliban, which has already attacked Islamabad and Rawalpindi, has established hideouts in Karachi, the report said.


snip
The Taliban's agenda is the takeover of Pakistan. Now hardly any part of the country can be said to be free of the Taliban.

The Taliban's growing reach will be a challenge not only to the authority of Pakistan president Asif Zardari, but also to the army itself, further aggravating a situation where the military agreed to a truce with Islamists in Swat.

While the Pakistan army had shown a wavering resolve in fighting Taliban in the frontier and tribal areas, where its troops have failed to check the Taliban, the task of security forces in an urban setting is even more difficult.


snip

Besides living in small motels in these areas, the Taliban are hiding in the hills of Manghopir and Orangi town and in other low-income areas and slums, the Daily Times newspaper quoted the police report as saying.

The daily also quoted sources as saying that the deputy chief of the banned Tehrik-e-Taliban, Hasan Mahmood, was hiding in Karachi.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Taliban-may-take-over-Karachi-Report/articleshow/4206722.cms


Proof the parallel govt of the Taliban have taken root in Karachi, a 'civilized' cultured area of Pakistan. Better hope the mullahs of Iran missed this one
Another woman killed over honour
KARACHI: Twenty six year old Quratul Ain eloped from her house six months ago, marrying the person with whom she intended to spend her entire life with...
...
Her husband was in the shower at the time; hearing the knocking she opened the door. “She recognized them and tired to flee but the men shot her thrice in her back,”
...

The couple were Iranian Balochis; they met a long time ago and gradually fell in love......

After Quratul Ain’s family engaged her to a relative, the couple decided to elope and get married in court. Maher further said that it is clear that the killing of the woman was done in the name of honour and added that the couple was being threatened by relatives of the deceased, who had disowned her after she eloped. The officer also said that the woman was not pregnant and no arrests were made.


http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009%5C03%5C02%5Cstory_2-3-2009_pg7_22


by "law", Pakistan appears to have breached the cease fire... You know what that means. The honor of the Taliban is being tested by the secular 'rebel' government of Pakistan ...;)

Pak cleric sets deadline for Islamic courts in Swat

ISLAMABAD: Maulana Sufi Muhammad, the chief of a banned Islamic group who is acting as a peacemaker in Pakistan's restive Swat Valley, Sunday set a March 15 deadline for the government to set up Islamic courts in the region, a media report said.

Muhammad, who heads Tahrik-e-Nifaz Shriat Muhammadi (TNSM), warned authorities in North West Frontier Province (NWFP) of protests if the government failed to set up the courts in Malakand division that was agreed upon during the ceasefire talks two weeks ago, Geo TV reported

....On Tuesday, the cleric declared an indefinite ceasefire after an initial 10-day truce, as the military said it was ceasing its operation in the valley, which until 2007 was one of the most-visited tourist resorts in Pakistan.

But he expressed his dismay over what he called inaction by the government, and for dragging its feet over the enforcement of sharia in the region.

Mohammad stressed that durable peace could not be guaranteed unless sharia laws were put in practice.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Pakistan/Pak-cleric-sets-deadline-for-Islamic-courts-in-Swat/articleshow/4209044.cms

Dunno how the Pak govt can weasel out of this abomination;
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Pakistan/Pakistan-ISI-top-boss-met-Osama-aide-TV-report/articleshow/4208959.cms
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 10:31 PM
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16. Please define you all?
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 06:01 PM
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17. Lahore is "Le-Lost"; Sri Lanka's cricketers shot and wounded as bus attacked in Lahore, Pakistan)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3764712&mesg_id=3764712


In a commando-style operation, a dozen gunmen attacked the Sri Lankan cricket team in the heart of Lahore, Pakistan’s cultural and political hub

The boys from Mumbai ?



National Tragedy
A colleague weeps at the covered body of one of the Pakistani policemen in the mortuary of a hospital. Sri Lankan President Mahinda Rajapakse condemned the "cowardly terrorist attack" and ordered the players' evacuation back to Sri Lanka.



Attack on Sri Lankan Cricket Team: Echoes of Mumbai?



http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1882745,00.html

India, Sri Lanka?
Nobody is welcome in Pakistan
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