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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 02:43 PM
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Judge Refuses To Toss Charges In Blackwater Case
Source: Associated Press

(02-17) 11:36 PST WASHINGTON (AP) --

A federal judge has given a green light to the manslaughter case against five former Blackwater Worldwide security guards accused of spraying innocent Iraqis with machine-gun fire.

U.S. District Judge Ricardo Urbina on Tuesday denied two motions to dismiss the case.

The shooting in Baghdad in September 2007 left 17 Iraqis dead and another 20 wounded.

The former Blackwater guards argue they are not subject to U.S. civilian criminal laws because they were working overseas under a contract with the State Department.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/02/17/national/w113651S55.DTL
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 02:45 PM
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1. Rec'd. I love good news! nt
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 03:01 PM
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3. Same here. Babylonsister, you're gonna get diabetes if you eat all those little Valentine
hearts.

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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 04:37 PM
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11. Love my Necco hearts!
That's New England Confectionary Company of Cambridge, Mass.

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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 08:55 PM
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25. Boy are you LOVED! Congrats!
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lsewpershad Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 11:03 AM
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32. Same here
It is precisely because they worked for the State Dept that they must be held responsible as the Dept represents our Govt and thus all of us. As Americans we do not condone MURDER.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 02:52 PM
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2. Yeah, bushie told them they are not subject to any
laws. Not Iraqi laws, not US military law, not international law, not US laws. Teacher's out of the room guys, do what you need to, git 'er dun. They are in for a big surprise.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 03:04 PM
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4. But Blackwater has a new name now.
So how can the company known as Xe, or employees thereof, be charged for crimes from so long ago?
(Is sarcasmbutton necessary?)
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 05:02 PM
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14. That's right. Blackwater isn't Xe. Any Republican knows that. How
can they prosecute Xe employees when it was Blackwater who done wrong? Geesh. Don't them liberals get anything right?

:sarcasm:
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 03:15 PM
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5. Good news. nt
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 03:20 PM
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6. Hey, they were just more of those "frat pranks".
Come on, judge. Limbaugh doesn't have a problem with it.

Well, it's not just manslaughter, it's murder. And we all know it's just the tip of the iceberg. Tag, you're it.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 03:46 PM
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7. Great news.
Blackwater aka Xe got DENIED!
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billybob537 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 04:07 PM
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8. The Republics used these guys to do their dirty work!
Now they're gonna let them hang!
When will people learn you can't trust the GUBMINT!
:mad: :puke: :wtf: :argh: :nopity: :spank: :wow: :beer: :nuke: :banghead: :mad: :puke: :wtf: :argh: :nopity: :spank: :wow: :beer: :nuke: :banghead: :mad: :puke: :wtf: :argh: :nopity: :spank: :wow: :beer: :nuke: :banghead: :mad: :puke: :wtf: :argh: :nopity: :spank: :wow: :beer: :nuke: :banghead: :mad: :puke: :wtf: :argh: :nopity: :spank: :wow: :beer: :nuke: :banghead:
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 04:09 PM
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9. Oops.
Guess the law is real after all.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 04:34 PM
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10. Not subject to US civilian criminal laws???
Are they US citizens??

Dumbasses.
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ManiacJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 08:33 PM
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23. They are probably right.
"A legal loophole says only contractors who work for or support the Defense Department can be prosecuted in U.S. courts for crimes committed overseas." They were working for the State Department, not the DOD.

In general, jurisdiction for USA laws end at the USA border. The crimes they committed were done in Iraq against Iraqi laws. They should be put on trail in Iraq.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 07:40 AM
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29. Well then, give them the choice. Face trial here, or in Iraq. nt
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 08:38 AM
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30. Xe dudes working for State dept not DoD? oops
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 04:41 PM
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12. What pigs, republicans no doubt! Believing they were not subject to U.S. civilian criminal laws
Edited on Tue Feb-17-09 04:49 PM by LaPera
so they could get their sick jollies & macho bullshit off anytime they pleased.

I'm sure they felt really proud killing and maiming all those people and probably laughed about it together, backslapping over some beers....and justifying it as just "doing their job".

Bullshit, they killed because they loved it and thought there would be no repercussions from it, while being paid well to kill, which they love doing so very much.

Again, believing they weren't subject to U.S. civilian criminal laws and that could do whatever they felt like doing....sick mercenary bastards!
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 04:49 PM
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13. Too little, too late - the hatred and anger still permeates Iraqi souls
.
.
.

The USA shoulda charged them guys immediately

NO ONE SHOULD BE ABOVE THE LAW

Not even the USA's mercenaries

WE KNOW THAT

Why did they ignore it?

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krister Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 05:13 PM
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15. Justice for Arab Muslims?
By golly, what is the world coming to?
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 05:20 PM
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16. Excellent!
n/t
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Left Coast2020 Donating Member (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 05:41 PM
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17. Yippy Skippy!!!!
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 05:44 PM
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18.  K&R, U.S. District Judge Ricardo Urbinam you are the man today good sir!!
I love the smell of progress anytime of the day!
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 06:06 PM
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19. Well whattya know...
working as a mercernary DOES have a downside after all. Guess what, boys, you may not have to work under the same rules that soldiers and Marines do and that's just the thing that bites your ass given the lack of legal protections the soldiers and Marines got.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 06:32 PM
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20. The company itself needs to be disarmed and disbanded. No democratic government,
under any circumstances, either needs or should tolerate a private mercenary army, equipped with aircraft and armored vehicles and thousands of "troops", inside its borders. It's absolutely insane.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 07:16 PM
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21. Hekate is cranking up the old Victrola to play her Schadenfreude Dance any day now...
... Wait for it ...

Hekate


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2QT2BSTR8 Donating Member (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 08:06 PM
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22. Plain and simple - murder is murder. They deserve whatever is coming to them.
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bernardette blue Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 08:40 PM
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24. no-brainer
We need to continue to be a nation of laws, not a nation of men.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 12:20 AM
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26. if they don't want to face U.S. justice...
...hand them over to Iraqi courts. Hell, that's what I'd do regardless.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 12:42 AM
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27. I totally agree.
They would certainly get a more appropriate sentence over-there.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 03:16 AM
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28. Good! It would be even better, though, if they also brought
charges against the Bushies for giving the okay to all this shit.

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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:13 AM
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31. Hang those fuckers by their tiny dicks. n/t
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