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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 02:05 PM
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Bolivia to get Russian helicopters to fight drugs
Source: Associated Press

Bolivia to get Russian helicopters to fight drugs
The Associated Press
Monday, February 16, 2009

MOSCOW: Bolivia will receive helicopters from Russia to help fight drugs and assistance to develop energy resources in the poor South American country, the Russian president said Monday.

The moves were part of Moscow's push for more clout in Latin America. Bolivian President Evo Morales became the first leader from the landlocked, Andean nation to visit Russia since Moscow and La Paz established diplomatic relations in 1945.

Morales and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev signed a declaration emphasizing their similar positions on global issues and opposition to U.S. policies including the decades-old embargo against Cuba, plans for a missile shield in Europe and NATO expansion.

Morales praised the resurgence of Russian attention to Latin America, where Medvedev has courted Soviet-era allies and others in a bid to increase Moscow's influence and further its economic interests. He met with Morales in November during a regional tour that included Venezuela, Brazil, Peru and Cuba.

Read more: http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/02/16/europe/EU-Russia-Bolivia.php
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 02:08 PM
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1. Oh man.
It doesn't usually end well when L.A. leaders get close to Russia.

But it's a shame that US foreign policy forces countries to look elsewhere if they want to improve their country.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 02:09 PM
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2. Russia in new Latam push with Bolivia gas pipelines
Russia in new Latam push with Bolivia gas pipelines
Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:29am EST

By Oleg Shchedrov

MOSCOW, Feb 16 (Reuters) - Russian state gas giant Gazprom (GAZP.MM) is in talks to build a system of gas pipelines in Bolivia, President Dmitry Medvedev said Monday in the latest Kremlin push to boost its influence in South America.

Medvedev announced the plan after talks in the Kremlin with Bolivian President Evo Morales, whose visit to Moscow comes soon after similar trips by fellow leftist leaders Raul Castro of Cuba and Hugo Chavez of Venezuela.

"We spoke about Russia helping our friends in Bolivia with hydrocarbons and the construction of a gas transport system," Medvedev said after the meeting.

"A memorandum was signed with Gazprom, whose cooperation is moving into the practical sphere," he said, adding that work on the "strategic project" would run to 2030. He did not elaborate.

More:
http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSLG58884820090216?rpc=401&
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 02:24 PM
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3. I imagine that Putin is just going for the gusto. The state our country is in
he knows that we can't do a damn thing about diddly, so he's going for it all. And SA is the perfect place. The way America has used and abused Central and South America, supported their death squads, took the best out of their country's assets and left the people next to nothing makes it easy pickins'.
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Hulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 02:42 PM
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4. I'm not thrilled about it...but I'm not surprised by it either.
The way we have exploited and manipulated South America in the last hundred years does make it "prime pickings" for the Russians, and anyone else who cares to offer these young democracies a hand to lift themselves up into the status of independent nations of value.

I'm happy that the Russians are helping. Maybe they can assist the Bolivians in ridding themselves of the cocaine origins. Maybe at the same time they can offer some alternatives to the small farmers to grow something of value besides the base for cocaine?? Novel idea.

I don't understand why the rest of the world hasn't stepped up to help Cuba against our embargo? Who the F*CK are we to decide a nation needs to be starved to death or comply with our wishes? I just don't get it. Was Batista such a great "leader" that we can take offense to Castro taking control away from him?

Yes.....because we are connected by a tiny isthmus to make the two Americas "attached" doesn't mean we own full control of those nations south of the Rio Grande. They are sovereign nations, and if Russia or China or Iran or Japan or Korea or ANY OTHER NATIONS decides they want to offer them an alternative to our dominance, I'm ALL for it!!
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 02:59 PM
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5. The history of the US, when it comes to 'helping' Central and South
America is simply that we just take over. We take the best from the country, we determine what their laws and policies will be, we decide who will govern by installing their leaders or overthrowing the ones we don't want, we turn the native peoples into slave labor and doom them to lives of poverty. No one ever needed that kind of help.

I notice that there is almost always a pipeline involved in Putin's latest foreign policy announcements. Russia is just drilling and installing pipeline everywhere.

Now we need to push for alternative fuels sources harder than ever.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 04:57 PM
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6. What this looks like to me is that another "cold" type war is...........
............starting up between Russia and the US because of dipshit Bush. The Russians get their foot in the door, using the "drug war" as an excuse and get a 2fer. They click up the "drug war" AND get to oppose the US in South America. This is just great.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 08:35 PM
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9. "Because"?
Sadly, no.

They may have been elected at about the same time, but Putler--as one sign I saw recently called him--needed no Bush to make him into a quasi-totalitarian nationalist. For that we can thank numerous and sundry--Brezhnev, Reagan and Gorbachev, Clinton and El'tsyn, and the "mentality" (as one former instructor put it) of the Russians who elected him and support him.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 09:25 AM
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13. I wasn't necessarily talking about Russian (internal) politics.
What I was getting at was the using of the so called (US initiated) drug war as a "new" standoff mechanism, the same as it was in the Cold war the US and the Russians (Soviet Union) using the whole world as their personal chessboard.
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0xDEADBEEF Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 06:51 PM
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7. But Wasn't Evo a Cocaine Farmer Himself?
Putting the Cocaleros in charge of fighting drugs is like putting the Republicans in charge of fighting the deficit!
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 09:57 PM
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10. You'd better dive in there and do some research on the subjects you attempt to discuss FIRST
before giving us the amazing benefit of your opinions.

Evo Morales was not a cocaine farmer. Do your homework.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 05:42 AM
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12. If you're concerned about COCAINE in Bolivia, you're looking for RIGHT-WINGERS.
First of all, take the time you're spending posting to start doing some research on Bolivia, and spend the energy needed to look for biograpphical information on Evo Morales.

As people who've followed Bolivian history are amply aware, narco-trafficking has been connected directly with the fascist RIGHT-WING in Bolivia for decades. Period.
Return of Bolivia's Drug-Stained Dictator
By Jerry Meldon

A Latin American ghost from Washington's Cold War past is reappearing this summer. On Aug. 6, one of South America's most notorious drug-tainted military dictators, Hugo Banzer Suarez, will don Bolivia's presidential sash. That will make him responsible for battling cocaine traffickers in one of the world's top drug-producing nations.

The 71-year-old Banzer, a long-time U.S. favorite because of his anti-communism, forged the coalition that gave him the presidency after his Accion Democratica Nacionalista party won 22 percent of the vote in the June elections. Banzer's latest ascendancy set off alarms in Washington, despite the old Cold War ties.

A State Department spokesman warned of possible diplomatic strains if Banzer appointed Bolivian officials who "in other eras have been directly involved in narco-trafficking." In Latin America, however, the U.S. statement was viewed as an indirect reference to Banzer, who could not have survived politically in the violent world of Bolivian politics without the timely intervention of South America's drug lords.

In July 1980, for instance, while most Bolivians were enjoying a rare hiatus of non-military rule, Banzer was hiding out in exile in Argentina. Bolivia's civilian government was set to indict him for human rights violations and corruption during his 1971-78 dictatorship. But Banzer saw his political life saved when a grotesque band of old-time Nazis and younger neo-fascists -- financed with drug money and aided by the Argentine military -- overthrew the government in La Paz.

The coup was spearheaded by two men whom Banzer had introduced: Roberto Suarez, Bolivia's coca king, and Klaus Barbie, the Gestapo chief of Lyons whom Banzer had protected from French war crimes prosecutors. The victorious putsch -- known as the Cocaine Coup -- established Bolivia as a kind of narco-state. Saved by this mix of drug trafficking and anti-communism, Banzer returned home to resume his political career.
More:
http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/story40.html

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South American Drugs
Meanwhile, after World War II, South America was becoming a crossroads for Nazi fugitives and drug smugglers. Nazi war criminal Klaus Barbie, the so-called Butcher of Lyons, earned his living in Bolivia by selling his intelligence skills, while other ex-Nazis trafficked in narcotics. Often the lines crossed.

In those years, Auguste Ricord, a French war criminal who had collaborated with the Gestapo, set up shop in Paraguay. Ricord opened up French Connection heroin channels to American Mafia drug kingpin Santo Trafficante Jr., who controlled much of the heroin traffic into the United States. Columns by Jack Anderson identified, Ricord's accomplices as some of Paraguay's highest-ranking officers.

Another French Connection mobster, Christian David, relied on protection of Argentine authorities. While trafficking in heroin, David also "took on assignments for Argentina's terrorist organization, the Argentine Anti-Communist Alliance," Henrik Kruger wrote in The Great Heroin Coup. During President Nixon's "war on drugs," U.S. authorities smashed this famous French Connection and won extraditions of Ricord and David in 1972.

But by then, powerful drug lords had forged strong ties to South America's military leaders. Other Trafficante-connected groups, including right-wing anti-Castro Cubans in Miami, eagerly filled the drug void. Heroin from the Golden Triangle of Southeast Asia quickly replaced the French Connection heroin that had come mostly from the Middle East.

During this period, the CIA actively collaborated with right-wing army officers to oust left-leaning governments. And amid this swirl of anti-communism, Moon became active in South America. His first visit to Argentina was in 1965 when he blessed a square behind the presidential Pink House in Buenos Aires. He returned a decade later and began making high-level contacts in Argentina, Chile, Paraguay, Bolivia and Uruguay.

The far-right gained control of Argentina in 1976 with a Dirty War that "disappeared" tens of thousands of Argentines. Michael Levine, a star undercover agent of the Drug Enforcement Administration, was assigned to Buenos Aires and was struck how "death was very much a way of life in Argentina."

A Nazi Reunion
In nearby coca-producing Bolivia, Nazi fugitive Klaus Barbie was working as a Bolivian intelligence officer and drawing up plans for a putsch that would add that central nation to the region's "stable axis" of right-wing regimes. Barbie contacted Argentine intelligence for help.

One of the first Argentine intelligence officers who arrived was Lt. Alfred Mario Mingolla. "Before our departure, we received a dossier on (Barbie)," Mingolla later told German investigative reporter Kai Hermann. "There it stated that he was of great use to Argentina because he played an important role in all of Latin America in the fight against communism. From the dossier, it was also clear that Altmann worked for the Americans."

As the Bolivian coup took shape, Bolivian Col. Luis Arce-Gomez, the cousin of cocaine kingpin Roberto Suarez, recruited neo-fascist terrorists such as Italian Stefano della Chiaie who had been working with the Argentine death squads. Dr. Alfredo Candia, the Bolivian leader of the World Anti-Communist League, was coordinating the arrival of these paramilitary operatives from Argentina and Europe, Hermann reported. Meanwhile, Barbie started a secret lodge, called Thule. During meetings, he lectured to his followers underneath swastikas by candlelight.
More:
http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/moon6.html

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In pursuit of Bolivia's secret Nazi
Wednesday September 10th 2008

http://www.guardianweekly.co.uk.nyud.net:8090/images/articles/719.jpg

Klaus Barbie was sentenced to life imprisonment in 1987. Photograph: Londra Films


After the second world war many high-ranking Nazis fled to South America. Among them was the head of the Gestapo in the French city of Lyon, a man responsible for the deportation of Jews to the death camp at Auschwitz and the torture of members of the French Resistance. Hiding in Bolivia, Klaus Barbie, the Butcher of Lyon, changed his name to Klaus Altmann and made himself helpful to drug lords and dictators alike. Bolivian journalist Gustavo Sanchez explains what happened when he tracked Barbie down in 1983

For decades here in Bolivia we had an infamous tradition of ruthless dictators. In the early 70s General Hugo Banzer siezed power. He turned to the ex-Nazi Klaus Barbie to help him with the repression. It was not the first time that Barbie, a war criminal wanted by the French and German authorities, had mingled with hardliners. Here in Bolivia he used to do big business with the drug lords. He had his own team of assassins, some from Italy and others from Argentina, called the Grooms of Death. He also sold them weapons.

American intelligence officials helped Barbie to become established in Bolivia as part of their crusade against communism. He acted as a sort of counter-intelligence official. Under the alias of Klaus Altmann he worked primarily as an interrogator and torturer. He also helped in the same way in Peru. He did the same things here as in Germany and France. For him the word communist meant "dead". Many Bolivians died during that dictatorship; one that was prolonged for more than 10 years. Barbie was in charge of the murders of many Bolivian citizens, including priests and members of the opposition.

So some of us felt that we had to do something about it. But in 1980, after General Banzer, an even bloodier dictator, Luis García Meza, rose to power in what was called the narco, or cocaine, coup. Barbie was a key aide then. He was the main ideologue of that coup; he organised absolutely everything. He was even given the rank of lieutenant colonel in the Bolivian armed forces, and was then able to move around with total impunity. Today Bolivians know all about Barbie, but for a long time many even doubted that such a criminal could be here.
More:
http://www.guardianweekly.co.uk/?page=editorial&id=719&catID=9


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0xDEADBEEF Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 11:17 AM
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14. I'm afraid I have to stick by my story.
I know better than to use Wikipedia as an authoritative source, but it's quickly and easily accessible, and the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Morales>article on Evo is well-documented, with a list of its own authoritative sources, and makes it pretty clear that Evo has, at times, farmed coca, and is currently the "titular president of Bolivia's cocalero movement."

I hear what you say about Cocaine production being a "right wing tradition" in Bolivia. I remember Hugo Banzer's regime, if only because of an infamous "High Times" article calling for a boycott of Bolivian cocaine (and I was an avid reader of High Times back then! ;) )

I don't mean to come across like a Bushie on this ("Drugs are bad, mkay?"), but Morales is going to provide problems even for Obama's administration. Russia chooses to deal with Bolivia with respect and acceptance (it's not their problem, after all), and has scored quite a diplomatic gain in the Western Hemisphere. If we rant and rave like the Republicans, we might get to do a lot of posturing, with no results, or, we can go to Bolivia with respect, lay our problems with their coca production on the table, and negotiate a settlement that is fair and beneficial to all...with the Bushies carping the whole time that we're negotiating with drug dealers and terrorists. :(

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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 12:22 PM
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15. "Cocaleros" should not be automatically equated with cocaine

Cocaleros have existed in Bolivia for time immemorial, centuries before cocaine was invented. If the demand for cocaine were to magically disappear tomorrow, the cocaleros will still be there. As you know, it was the demand for cocaine in the U.S. and elsewhere that spawned the use of coca for illegal purposes in Bolivia, Peru, Colombia and to a lesser extent, Ecuador.

I recall buying 50 (U.S.) cents of coca leaf in an open-air market in La Paz. Chewed it along with a little piece of ash the Indian woman gave me. It deadened the tongue, nothing else. In fact, when tourists arrive at El Alto airport in La Paz, they are offered coca tea to ward off high-altitude dizziness.

But to answer your question, yes, Evo Morales was a labor union leader for the cocaleros in the Cochabamba region, the ones who harvest the crop for domestic use within Bolivia. They just happened to get caught up in the U.S.-sponsored "War on Drugs" and Morales stepped up to defend them. I have never read that Morales ever has been associated with the Bolivian criminal element that sells the plant for cocaine paste production. If he was, why would he be buying Russian helicopters to use against the illegal coca trade?

Here is a good read on Morales and the cocaleros.

http://ww4report.com/node/6848


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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 01:37 PM
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18. He wouldn't be able to expect too much support from the Bolivian people if he had not ALWAYS
been highly respected. Not just anyone from the indigenous community could have withstood the vicious hatred and relentless war upon him by the racist European descended fascists who would have rejoiced in being able to "out" him as a narcotics-connected Bolivian citizen. That would have been aired long, LONG before he dared to run for election as Bolivia's President, and used to keep him from winning.

To get to where he is today he had to be absolutely clean beyond all possible doubt. Any attempt to connect him to cocaine is simply silly.

By the way, I just saw a documentary not long ago on Bolivia, and it looked as if it's completely customary, still, to see the leaves in the markets every day. Don't know how long I've had that mental image of people buying, and using those leaves for digestion, working outside at great altitudes, it's always described as a very "mild" stimulant. No one in the States ever thought a thing about it back in the days before cocaine use was epidemic, considering coca chewing a tradition in the Andes.

I'm looking forward to the time the real story on US support of those cocaine coup creeps finally gets aired after being kept under wraps for decades and decades. What a savage history we've actually sponsored there with our tax dollars without even being extended the courtesy of the truth from our own government and our "watchdog" corporate media.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 01:25 PM
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17. I was hoping to point out the distinction between "coca growers" and "cocaine farmers," since coca
farming predates cocaine by thousands of years, and continues among many, MANY coca growers with no connection to cocaine whatsoever.

From your linked Wiki, a passage you appeared to overlook:
Morales then found an audience in Europe for his positions and traveled there to gain support and to educate people on the differences between coca leaves and cocaine.<15> In a speech on this issue, he told reporters "I am not a drug trafficker. I am a coca grower. I cultivate coca leaf, which is a natural product. I do not refine (it into) cocaine, and neither cocaine nor drugs have ever been part of the Andean culture."<2>
http://netzoo.net.nyud.net:8090/wp-content/themes/akhdian/images/ricecoca.jpg http://www.hollow-hill.com.nyud.net:8090/sabina/images/evo-condi-charango.jpg

Evo Morales, giving Condoleeza Rice a charanga, emblazoned with a wreath of coca leaves.Had he
been a "cocaine farmer," it's highly unlikely he would have called such attention to his former vocation.
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 08:22 PM
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8. Is it a fleet of (one) helicopter?

From the AP link: Note plural "helicopters."

MOSCOW: Bolivia will receive helicopters from Russia to help fight drugs and assistance to develop energy resources in the poor South American country, the Russian president said Monday.

-------------------

From the Reuters link: Only one helicopter and talks are still in a very early state, according to Medvedev.

Interfax news agency earlier quoted Russia's state-run arms exporter Rosoboronexport as saying Bolivia was seeking to buy a transport modification of the Mi-17 helicopter.

-------------

Related: (From newspaper in Pernambuco, Brazil. Mostly self explanatory)

Evo Morales recebe título de Doutor Honoris Causa em universidade de Moscou

O presidente da Bolívia, Evo Morales, recebeu o título de Doutor Honoris Causa da Universidade Estatal de Humanidades de Moscou em reconhecimento por seus esforços por educar o povo boliviano.
... "in recognition for his efforts to educate the Bolivian people."

O reitor da universidade, Yefim Pivovar, destacou ainda a contribuição de Morales para preservar a cultura dos povos indígenas da Bolívia. Morales, por sua vez, afirmou que entre as grandes potências mundiais, "a Rússia, mais que os Estados Unidos, reconhece os méritos dos povos indígenas na luta pela independência de seus países".

Rector highlighted Morales' contribution to preserve the culture of the Bolivian indigenous people. Morales said that among the world's great powers, Russia, more than the United States, recognizes the merits of indigenous peoples' struggle for their nations' independence.

Da Agência O Globo

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 05:21 AM
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11.  Bolivia, Russia agree on energy, military, anti-drug co-op
Bolivia, Russia agree on energy, military, anti-drug co-op
2009-02-17 10:52:50

LA PAZ, Feb. 16 (Xinhua) -- Bolivian President Evo Morales and his Russian counterpart Dmitry Medvedev signed agreements on energy, defense and drugs in Moscow on Monday, the Bolivaian government said.

The agreements were signed at the Kremlin, Russia's political and administrative headquarters, where Medvedev called for a boost in ties between the two countries, saying Bolivia "is a partner with perspective."

Morales said both countries shared similar views on issues including environmental protection, respect of nature and global security.

They signed an agreement on energy cooperation, which paved theway for Grazprom, Russia's state-owned energy giant, to be involved in Bolivia's natural gas industry.

A memorandum was signed between Bolivia and the company to boost the development of the country's hydrocarbon projects. Bolivia has the second-largest gas reserves in South America of about 1.38 trillion cubic meters.

Another agreement signed by the two countries involved cooperation in drug fighting, since Bolivia has become a conduit for drugs produced in Peru and has unilaterally suspended support of the United States on this issue.

Both sides also agreed on military cooperation. Bolivian Civil Defense Vice Minister, Hernan Tuco, confirmed that multi-purpose helicopters will be bought and based in Cochabamba, central Bolivia.

More:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-02/17/content_10832471.htm
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 12:24 PM
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16. Bolivia holds the new oil - Lithium for batteries
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 01:46 PM
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19. Isn't that fantastic? What a shock to learn they've got that whole field to themselves, practically!
Page last updated at 16:07 GMT, Sunday, 9 November 2008
Bolivia holds key to electric car future

By Damian Kahya
BBC News, Salar de Uyuni, Bolivia

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk.nyud.net:8090/media/images/45175000/jpg/_45175476_c7e318aa-5f52-46ba-bb9c-11b578dceb1c.jpg

Bolivia's lithium reserves could
bring wealth to the country

High in the Andes, in a remote corner of Bolivia, lies more than half the world's reserves of a mineral that could radically reduce our reliance on dwindling fossil fuels.

Lithium carries a great promise. It could help power the fuel efficient electric or petrol-electric hybrid vehicles of the future.

But, as is the case with fossil fuels, it is a limited resource.

Lithium carbonate is already in the batteries of laptop computers and mobile phones.

It is used because it allows more energy to be stored in a lighter, smaller space than most alternatives.

And as the auto industry rushes to produce new fuel efficient and electric cars, it too is turning to lithium batteries as its first choice to boost the power of their new models.

More:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7707847.stm

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Brother Buzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 02:01 PM
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20. That, and the second largest natural gas reserves in the Americas
I only read the Lithium story the other day and found it very interesting. I dream Bolivia is able to reap just rewards from their gift in the high desert lake unlike the travesty at their once vast silver deposits at Cerro Rico de Potosi.

When push comes to shove, their natural gas will come into play sooner than not and the world is choosing up sides for The great South American natural gas wars as we speak. China? Russia? United States (T Boone Pickens??).

Bolivia is trying to develop the lithium by themselves, but the gas industry is just to large for them to build by themselves. I just hope Evo and his country choose the right party to help them.
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