Prosecutor: Slain toddler said 'I love you' at end

[derby378]

Source: USA Today

GALVESTON, Texas (AP) — A slain toddler tried to stop her mother and stepfather from beating her to death by reaching out to her mother and saying, "I love you," a prosecutor told jurors Tuesday.

The pleas from 2-year-old Riley Ann Sawyers didn't stop her mother, Kimberly Trenor, from continuing to brutalize her, Assistant District Attorney Kayla Allen said in her opening statement at Trenor's murder trial.

...

During her opening statement, Allen detailed for jurors the day that she said Riley Ann died for forgetting to say "please" and "yes, sir."

Allen said that on July 25, 2007, Trenor and Zeigler disciplined Riley by whipping her with a belt, pushing her head against a pillow and holding her head underwater. She said Zeigler grabbed Riley and tossed her across the room, fracturing her skull. An autopsy concluded the skull fractures caused her death.



Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-01-27-baby-grace_N.htm?csp=24&RM_Exclude=Juno

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My soul is sickened by this unspeakable evil.

[Avalux]

1. Each should be locked up in a very small room -

with no further contact with the outside world. Pictures of the child posted on the walls to remind them. They need to suffer.

[derby378]

2. Better yet...

...bombard the cells with the recorded screams of children in pain.

You should be able to find plenty of that in Iraq, Sudan, Gaza, Congo, etc.

[BreweryYardRat]

26. I've got a sadistic streak a mile wide, but mental torture's always struck me as cruel and unusual.

Just put a pair of 10-gauge shotgun slugs in the backs of their heads and have done.

[Mike 03]

3. Hideous. Simply hideous. Sounds like the "Baby P" case. NT.

[chatnoir]

43. The Baby P case was beyond belief

I had never read of such horrific child abuse in my life.

Can't believe the no-good mother was let off so lightly.

[bluestateguy]

4. Don't close Gitmo Mr. President

Put these mofo's there for a few years and then rendition them off to a country that tortures.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

6. It IS tempting

But no, not even joking. I have principles.

[provis99]

5. why isn't the death penalty being considered here?

You figure in Texas, it would be. Is it because she's a woman?

[derby378]

15. It's because prosecutors couldn't prove that they'd be a danger to society

I know, go figure. If they could do that to a two-year-old, none of us are safe around them.

[Frisbee]

28. Probably registered republican... eom

[Darth_Kitten]

105. Oh, right...........make this political.

:eyes:

[struggle4progress]

62. Probably because Texans like the "I've suffered enough defense"

"When I came home, dinner wasn't ready and she was nagging me so I went to play with my guns and one accidentally went off and killed her. I feel terrible. Don't you think I've suffered enough?"

"Yes, I drank a fifth and drove across town though my license had already been suspended, and yes, I ran over two dozen middle school kills and a crossing guard. I feel terrible. Don't you think I've suffered enough?"

"Well, the baby cried all night and wouldn't shut up even though I spanked it regularly and then it fell into a pot of boiling water. I feel terrible. Don't you think I've suffered enough?"

[Dreamer Tatum]

93. So now Texas isn't tough enough?

Criminy.

[struggle4progress]

100. I don't support the death penalty but the question was why the prosecutor

wasn't seeking it

In Texas, the death penalty or long prison sentences seem to apply in practice when the accused does not inspire local sympathy. Wealthy or a well-known sports figures aren't likely to face serious penalties ("He's suffered enough")

If, however, people find unattractive, the system will throw the book at you. Witness the case of the mentally ill death row inmate who has (now) pulled out his remaining eye, having pulled out the first one several years back: the reasoning seems to be "He doesn't look like me and I don't like how he acts, so let's stick a needle in him"

What inspires sympathy is "being like me"

Kill somebody driving drunk? "Hell, everybody does that. I do that. It was an unfortunate accident. These things happen. S/he has suffered enough"

The same attitudes that underlie "we just need to get tough on crime and it will go away" also underlie the idea "if the kid doesn't listen, s/he just needs a good whuppin." Kill a kid with "firm discipline"? "Hell, kids need a firm hand. My kids get whupped when they step out of line. It was an unfortunate accident. These things happen. They've suffered enough." That, IMO, underlies the curious fact that in this case the defendants (who are accused of an inexcusable murder in a state that lives and breathes execution) are not facing the death penalty

A question like "Is Texas tough enough?" only makes sense if one thinks that the main purpose of the criminal justice system is retribution: I think the criminal justice system serves a more complicated social role

Apologies if I was unclear

[anonymous171]

103. That and she's white. nt

[Darth_Kitten]

106. Oh right.....wasn't one of the last high profile death row cases a white woman?

How quickly people forget Karla Faye. :eyes:

[Sebastian Doyle]

7. There's a special place in Hell for pieces of shit who do these sort of things to children

And the sooner they go there, the better. It's shit like this that keeps me from unconditionally opposing the death penalty. :grr:

[FiveGoodMen]

14. There is no Hell apart from this one.

You want these people punished, it's gotta be here and now.

[Divine Discontent]

29. There's a special place in hell for these people.

I'm against the death penalty. Life in prison is their punishment here. Someone described life on the inside in detail here the other day, it was absolutely terrifying.

[Bake]

92. Let's make the rest of their miserable lives hell ...

This is absolutely disgusting (the crime, not your post).

Bake

[customerserviceguy]

107. I'm an atheist

but even the most vengeful version of god ever thought up on this earth could not possibly make a hell hot enough for these vermin.

[Judi Lynn]

8. The beat goes on, doesn't it? How far back does the evil go which encourages people to think

more of themselves than they can ever manage to care more even for the absolutely helpless little people who are lost in this world and doomed from birth with murderous, filthy monsters as their only guardians?

God forbid this ##### should ever be allowed anywhere near a child again. She is the one on the left.

http://i.usatoday.net.nyud.net:8090/news/_photos/2009/01/27/babygracex-large.jpg

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Her victim, may she find the protection and caring denied her when she needed help so desperately.

http://images.usatoday.com.nyud.net:8090/news/_photos/2009/01/27/babygracemugx-mug-shot.jpg

[L0oniX]

19. OMG ...I'm gonna be sick

[appleannie1]

23. Look how repentant she is with that huge smile on her face.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

9. Unfortunately, there are times when my opposition to the death penalty gets a gut test. Like this.

But in the end, the death penalty is intrisically wrong no matter what, no matter how unspeakably horrible the crime may be.

[EFerrari]

12. Anyone who would do such a thing to a baby wouldn't understand their own death either.

[Jackpine Radical]

33. Yes, I agree. If it is wrong for one person to kill,

it's maybe even worse for a group of people to gang up, call themselves a state, and kill the one who killed.

Here's something I wrote a couple of years ago when Wisconsin was considering instituting a death penalty:

As an ex-field psychologist for the Wisconsin Department of Corrections, I imagine I have met more murderers than the average citizen, and I have very little sympathy for them as a class of people. Nevertheless I oppose the death penalty. Why? I assure you that my position has absolutely nothing to do with tender feelings for anyone who would deliberately kill others. Rather, I am very worried about the consequences for the state as a whole if we enact a death penalty.

Four arguments are commonly made in opposition to the death penalty. Let me review them before moving on to the particular concerns I want to discuss. Here, then, are the traditional arguments:

First, we have no need for a death penalty to protect ourselves from murderers because Wisconsin law permits us to put them in prison for life without hope of ever being released.

Second, it is expensive to seek the death penalty. Studies in other states have shown that it costs more to sentence a murderer to death and then wade through the appeals process than it would have to simply imprison the criminal for life.

Third, there is always the possibility of executing an innocent person. Some people seem to think that the use of DNA evidence is an absolutely certain means of avoiding such errors, but that is simply not so. Any number of events, ranging from misbehavior on the part of police officers to errors at the crime lab, could bring about terrible miscarriages of justice.

And fourth, there is no evidence that the death penalty deters crime. Just consider for a moment—can you imagine criminals thinking to themselves, “I want to go on a killing spree, but they will put me to death if they catch me, so I won’t do it. However, I would go out and murder a bunch of people if all I had to face was life without parole.”

If you think the death penalty is somehow going to make you safer, how do you explain this?—Murder rates per 100,000 population range from a low of 1.2 in Maine to a high of 13.0 in Louisiana. Twelve states, including Wisconsin, have no death penalty. The average murder rate for these states is 2.90. The remaining 38 states have the death penalty. Their murder rate per hundred thousand residents is 5.3. The probability of this being a chance result is less than one in a hundred.

At 3.3 murders per 100,000, Wisconsin has a slightly higher murder rate than the average for states without the death penalty, but considerably lower than the average for states with the death penalty. Why, then, should we be in any hurry to legalize the death penalty and thereby join the group of states with the higher murder rates?

Another question—Might there be something about having a death penalty that causes states to have a higher murder rate? As a psychologist, I think there may be a connection. Let us make no bones about it. To approve the death penalty is to assert that it is permissible for a large number of people—the state—to gang up and put one of its members to death. When a state authorizes executions, it is in effect saying that killing is not only permissible, but is in fact desirable, in some circumstances, including circumstances that do not involve immediate self-defense. Children learn both behaviors and attitudes by the example of their elders. From what we know of child development, there is every reason to imagine that children who grow up in a society that approves the killing of human beings will have lower inhibitions against killing than do children whose society teaches an absolute intolerance of killing.

Wisconsin has executed only one criminal since attaining statehood in 1848, and explicitly forbade the practice in 1853. This is a proud tradition that I believe to be worth keeping.

[surrealAmerican]

104. Thank you for posting that.

I, too, have wondered for some time if the death penalty itself makes for a more brutal society by setting a bad example.

[Jackpine Radical]

34. The true test of decency is whether you can ignore your gut's reptilian-level

responses and act on what your higher self tells you is right.

[Catch22Dem]

53. I don't have that ability

I'd kill her with my bare hands right now if she were in the room with me. I wouldn't regret it, and I wouldn't think less of myself.

[Jackpine Radical]

60. Well, I'm afraid you have a few more times around on the wheel.

I dont think I'm getting off any time soon either.

[prayin4rain]

38. Yep me too... n/t

[ecstatic]

66. I generally oppose the DP; but when it comes to murdered &/or raped children

I will gladly look the other way and not flinch. I don't demand it but won't complain when the prosecutor does.

[Frank Cannon]

82. The problem with the death penalty is that innocent people get killed

But it certainly wouldn't bother me if these perpetrators died in a particularly bad way.

[Dorian Gray]

83. Yes

and yes.

I instinctually want the mother to suffer and be killed for her crimes against her innocent and loving child. But, it is wrong. I do hope she regrets her actions and is put in prison for life. No parole.

[Catherine Vincent]

10. That poor child.

And to think there are others being abused (and possibly killed) as we speak. :-(

[L0oniX]

21. Over 5000 American children die every year from neglect.

And we are worried about terrorists?

[xultar]

11. How does the prosecutor know that she said I love you? Not that this isn't

tragic enough.

[oberliner]

18. Perhaps it was in Trenor's videotaped statement

Or from the arrest affidavit?

[EFerrari]

79. That's a very good question.

[drgonzosghost]

13. THIS sorry shit is why I support capital punishment....

Fry them both. This is literally the worst thing I have ever read.

[Frisbee]

30. I agree 100%...

I respect those who oppose it, and wish they'd learn to respect my view, even if they disagree. But cases like this are EXACTLY WHY I believe it is justified in the most hideous of cases. This one more than qualifies.

[emilyg]

48. Agree.

[LostinVA]

51. This sorry shit is why I do not support the DP

[frog92969]

54. Ditto

No Doubt

[mainegreen]

57. Yup.

Humans who do this are not people. They are cancer.

You eliminate cancer.

[JeanGrey]

87. AGREED.

[Dreamer Tatum]

95. Right on. The purpose of capital punishment SHOULD be

for those rare cases when we as a society could not look ourselves in the eye if we
didn't DO something. If we can't eliminate people like this from our society immediately
and forever, with no more thought to them, then where does the tolerance end?

[roguevalley]

16. oh, that baby ...

[Rob H.]

17. Monsters

There's literally no other word fit to describe them. Poor Riley Ann. :(

[Juan_de_la_Dem]

20. This is beyond horrible.

[Burma Jones]

22. You know, I've been to the Texas Death Row Home Page

I read about the offenses of executed people. I also read in the article that the Prosecutors are not seeking the DP for these two. What these two have done seems more deserving of death than most of the cases I've seen that send others to the gurney.

I just went and gave my 2 year old daughter a big hug and kiss, 'cause it was either that or I was going to puke.

[HillbillyBob]

24. This literally made my stomach turn and breaks my heart.

What really gets me is that people like this can have children and do.
When gay folks want to foster or adopt we are considered monsters.
We adopt rescue dogs, you should see how they are after we have had them to love for a little while. We have 3 one is almost 7 the next is 3 and was starved and locked up with 4 dingoes (in the shelter she could not get food for the dingoes bullying) from abt 9 weeks old to 5 months, she calmed and is the sweetest tempered girls, the third one is just about 15 months now. She was starved so badly her eyes were sunken and her fur was falling out and like the other one you could count ribs, in the thirteen months we have had her she has grown a new coat, her eyes are bright and she is velcro puppy, when we got her you could not pet her she would cringe from being beaten.
I know it seems somewhat silly to compare dogs to kids, but if a person will abuse a dog they will do the same to kids.
This really made me cry. I can hear that baby saying I love you.

[Missy Vixen]

HillbillyBob

>When gay folks want to foster or adopt we are considered monsters.<

I sat in a town meeting and listened to a man and his partner plead with a local elected representative fifteen years ago. They wanted to adopt a child. They weren't able to under Washington State law at that time. I will never forget what they said, their quiet dignity, and the bigot that refused them to their faces.

I'll tell you who the monsters are: Those who would leave a child in a situation like Riley Ann's, instead of allowing her to be adopted by another family who would love and care for her.

Julie

[Celeborn Skywalker]

25. They need to be locked up for forever.

This is sickening.

Poor little girl. :-(

[ohio2007]

27. but do they deserve hot meals ?

nt

[skoalyman]

32. YeS

Very Very hot meals indeed:grr: :evilgrin:

[MadMaddie]

65. They can have meals

Nice bland, inexpensive meals for the rest of their lives.

No TV, No weights....my preference hard labor from sunup to sundown.

These people don't ever deserve to leave prison except in a wooden box.

[democrank]

31. Rest in peace, precious Riley Ann.

[Ticonderoga]

35. " I'll be yer huckleberry" ........ Git a rope.

[frylock]

36. general population usually has a way of dealing with these types..

hopefully it all gets worked out in prison.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

94. So, what if they get life in prison (I hope so), and somehow the state succeeds in protecting them?

Say, by leaving them in solitary confinement all the time?

Will that disappoint you?

[frylock]

96. yeah -- i'll be devastated..

i don't think i'd be able to carry on with my miserable life if that were to happen.

[lonestarnot]

37. Gawd damn it!

4 x 6 box for the rest of their lives!

[MasonJar]

39. The tears are streaming down my cheeks. How could a mother be so cruel?

[JeanGrey]

88. Look at that bitch who strapped her babies in the backseat

and drowned them like rats (slowly). And blamed it on a "nondescript negro with a hat". I remember that day, watching her talk to the news media and turned to my husband and said "she did it. she's lying". Just about every woman I knew thought so too. The fact that a dozen innocent black men could have been lynched on top of it was unreal and she got only 30 years. If I'd had my way she would have been in the backseat of another car!

[ellie]

40. This is very awful.

[Jefferson23]

41. This childs ordeal, sickening behavior by those she counted on for

everything that was suppose to represent good, and love in her world. This story made me weep. Are we suppose to believe this is the first time they treated her this way? Bullshit.

[Are_grits_groceries]

42. I have a headache because

I was gritting my teeth so hard when reading this. I don't know why they didn't get the death penalty.
I really, really hate people sometimes.

[MsKandice01]

44. I really wish I hadn't read this...

There are just some things that I don't think need to be printed. This being one of them. As a mother of a 5-year-old son, this makes me weep with sadness.

[dana_b]

52. me too

that is probably one of the saddest things that I've ever read. How can these evil people live with themselves?

God rest that poor baby's soul.

[Deja Q]

56. As a 36 year old adult male with issues, I wish I hadn't read it either.

I was lucky; only whipped with a belt - and sometimes I was never told why.

But before anything gets warped out of context and perhaps it's already too late, what other children did was far, far worse than even "the belt".

Will the parents claim they were abused as adults? I better not be on the jury. I myself have suffered a shitload in life and I'm not out beating people - either strangers, family members, or anyone else - to death or what might be worse. Quite the contrary, believe it or not.

[JeanGrey]

89. You and I both. And I too am very compassionate to others.

[derby378]

63. I'm sorry...

I wish there was a quick fix for this. I feel for you. :hug:

[MsKandice01]

64. No need to apologize...

I'm not faulting you for posting it. I had already read the headline on Yahoo before I saw it here on DU. I just wonder what could have been accomplished by the author by printing this article. I already thought this case was disgusting but to hear of that little girl pleading for her life...OMG...I can't even bear to think about it anymore. I feel really sorry for the people on that jury. What a tragic situation to find yourself involved with.

[fujiyama]

72. Your not the only one

That was the first thing I thought when reading this.

Just makes me sick knowing we share the planet with such destructive creatures.

[Mad_Dem_X]

91. Me too

I just ran to the bathroom at work to cry about this. I'll be thinking about that poor child all day. :cry:

[Peace_Sells]

45. =(

This is the most horrible and sad thing I have read or heard in a long time. I hope these people get the maximum punishment.

[mnhtnbb]

46. This country is full of very fucked up people. I have said--for years--

that people should have to be licensed to be parents. This sort of story confirms my belief.

It's so terribly sad and so unnecessary.

[Deja Q]

55. And proof the pro-darwinists should be the victim of darwinism - not the perpetrators.

The child will never get a chance to grow up or to live.

Hell, even people with brutalized childhoods grow up and most live reasonably healthy, productive lives.

Is ours truly a society...

[truthisfreedom]

47. Every time I see this thread I want to punch a wall.

I just hope it sinks down soon. UGH! PUNISH THESE PEOPLE SEVERELY!

[KillCapitalism]

49. I believe the death penalty is justified in this case. n/t

[FiveGoodMen]

50. Too quick.

[RubyDuby in GA]

58. This is what the death penalty is for

Flame away all you want, but people like that deserve to die. No appeals.
And in a particularly horrible manner.

A two year doesn't have the mental capacity to understand the concept of manners. As the parent of a two year old, I would be happy to flip the switch on the electric chair for these two "people" - lethal injection is far too good for them.

What the fuck is wrong with people???

[MrSlayer]

59. Put them in a room with me and a sledgehammer.

There will be no justice in this case.

[Ed76638]

61. The death penalty isn't good enough for them.

They deserve to be waterboarded for hours daily for the rest of their worthless lives.

[jdadd]

67. Turn em out in general population in prison....

The grapevine will find out who they are and what they are in for, Cons take a dim view of garbage like this.

[Judi Lynn]

68. Here are images of the adults, and a photo of the child:

http://blogs.kansascity.com.nyud.net:8090/photos/uncategorized/2007/11/26/trenor.jpg http://cache.daylife.com.nyud.net:8090/imageserve/094j7Gbakr0df/340x.jpg

Kimberley Trenor, Royce Zeigler II

http://cache.daylife.com.nyud.net:8090/imageserve/0cfk45y0OH94M/610x.jpg

Their prey, Baby Grace.

[Frank Cannon]

84. Good Lord. Those two look like they came straight out of Central Casting...

for evil shitbags.

[Gemini Cat]

69. I'm surprised they aren't getting death.

Poor little girl.

[SKKY]

70. These two need to suffer a slow, agonizing death...

...there is no reason why my tax dollars should be spent "rehabilitating" them.

[MiaCulpa]

71. I can't read this, headline is enough :( n/t

[Dr. Strange]

101. Same here.

The headline pisses me off to no end. No way am I reading (further) about what these assholes did.

[Abq_Sarah]

73. There is nothing

They can do to those two assholes that would be adequate.

[SoCalDemGrrl]

74. This line in the story screams out for attention- sexually active teens need

to have easy access to birth control, otherwise situations like this

can occur:

"Stickler portrayed Trenor as a scared 19-year-old girl who had moved to Texas from Ohio to marry a man she met while playing an online game. She said Riley's father, her former boyfriend, had assaulted her and Zeigler was her "knight in shining armor."


These immature young women become pregnant and their poor innocent children suffer like little Riley Ann Sawyers.

RIP little angel.

[rebecca_herman]

75. She had another baby with the sick freak she married

The state had to give it to her distant relatives to care for because sicko husband wouldn't give up his parental rights so the baby could be adopted by strangers. That child will have to grow up to know what his parents did to his sister. So sad. :(

Poor sweet baby girl, if only she had been with a family who loved her. I don't understand how anyone could kill such a precious innocent child. :(

[FedUpWithIt All]

77. She was 15 when she became pregnant and her father kicked her out the day they found out.

She had only been living with him a short time. He took her in after her grandmother who had raised her was sent to a nursing home. She had a 3.8 GPA and was Summa Cum Laude before she became pregnant and had to move in with her boyfriend who later also moved in his new pregnant girlfriend.

It would seem that the new boyfriend might have actually seemed a knight in shining armor to a girl with nobody. I believe she met him in person when she moved down to TX.

Friends describe her as a girl who had trouble with confrontation and could be manipulated through this fear. Friends from her school say she adored and was very proud of her daughter.


I know kids who knew her. This is all quite shocking to them.

http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=8678f84675d4a6ad

[juno jones]

86. Interesting

This could have been possibly averted had the mother had a social support system that allowed her the ability to survive on her own and finish school rather than look for 'knights in shining armor' to live with.

Sounds like a horrible waste all the way around.

[keopeli]

76. Child abuse is much more important than the pedophile "scare" of late

Excuse me while I rant about the pedophile "gotcha" tv of recent years and fear-mongering of local and national politicians about the threat of pedophilia when the danger is much less significant than cases like the one discussed here.

We watch some guy on NBC trap people into a "thought" crime and humiliate them publicly. Laws now allow virtual life sentences because people are afraid of the possibility that someone could screw up twice.

But statistically, there is a much higher rate of child abuse by parents and family members than by strangers and boogeymen who lurk online or in parks. And that rate is masked by the lack of reporting on child abuse at home vs. child abuse by a priest or teacher. Parents don't often call the police to report themselves.

Compare this:
3 million reports of child abuse annually. Experts say the real number is at least three times greater.

to this:
93,000 children who were sexually abused in 1999.

Of those 93,000 cases, half of them were committed by the parents of the abused children, and another 18% were relatives.

Data from the http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr">CDC available at www.childhelp.org. Additional data from www.lifetips.com.

That leaves us with about 35,000 cases of stranger child molestation and multiple millions of cases of abuse at home.

ENOUGH with trash TV and fear mongering. Let's do something about REAL problems.

Peace

[EraOfResponsibility]

78. No need for death penalty here

prison justice will sort her out. Put that bitch in general pop and she'll be dead within a month.

[HughBeaumont]

81. That's what I said in another thread.

Both of these two will be gutted like fish in the GP, especially the "father". Prison populations don't take kindly to child torturing and murdering, pink self-righteous man-children.

[EraOfResponsibility]

97. that's right

Prison populations don't take kindly to child torturing and murdering, pink self-righteous man-children.

Damned right they don't.

[christx30]

80. I have two children

and I can't imagine anyone hurting them. Much less myself. as soon as I read this story I hugged each of them and told them I loved them more than my own life.
I'm against executions, but I would be in favor of the death penalty in this case. I know that might seem like a contradiction, but it's an idea I read somewhere and I believe it would work for the US.
WHen someone is sentenced to die, it is only because of crimes of this type, as well as any kind of horrific rape/murder. Then as soon as the verdict is read, they are taken to a small cell and they simply life the rest of their life in solitude. No visitors, except for their lawyer. They see no loved ones. They get no recreation. They get a bench, and a cot, and a meal every day until they die.
No life extending medical treatment. They are simply allowed to expire. If new evidence comes to light that proves their innocence, then they are released. If the verdict stands, it stands.
And there is no risk of an innocent person getting the needle.

[moobu2]

85. Sterilize them first, in case they get out of prison

Then give them life.

[Mad_Dem_X]

90. Jesus Christ. Two years old.

Beaten to death for not saying "please"! I hope these monsters burn in Hell for what they did. May that sweet baby rest in peace.

This is one of the reasons that I have to believe that there's a better place we go to when we die. This child only existed on this planet for two fucking years, and only new pain and sadness. You can't tell me that she's not in a better place, where she finally knows love.

[AllyCat]

98. It took me a long time to even open this thread, the headline was so awful

I wish I hadn't. My God, what is wrong with people?

[Strathos]

99. Kill them the same way they killed that baby

Sorry folks, FUCK political correctness and fair trial and all the bullshit. Those people brutally murdered that child and they deserve the same, only MUCH slower.

[Endangered Specie]

102. Firing Squad, period.

[tilsammans]

108. No punishment will ever fit that crime

None. Not life in prison, with no parole. Not the death penalty.

I can only hope that there is indeed a Hell.

:cry: