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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 06:17 PM
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Venezuelan Heating Aid to U.S. Poor Restored
Source: ABC News

The Venezuelan government has had a change of heart: just two days after announcing that it would end a controversial program to provide free home heating oil to low-income Americans, it decided to continue with the aid.

That's good news for the 200,000 households in 23 states that got free fuel but the suspension of the program -- if only for two days -- signals to some a decline in power by Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

"He's just running out of money," said Mark Falcoff, a Latin America expert at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative Washington think tank. "He needs that money to buy friends in Latin America as part of his attempt to expand his influence. But as we Americans know better than anybody, you can't really buy friends, you can only rent them."

Chavez and the leaders of other oil-producing nations are facing a quick and steep drop in the price of crude that they rely upon to keep their economies running.

The free oil from Citgo -- the American arm of the Venezuelan oil company -- is distributed through Citizens Energy, a nonprofit run by Joe Kennedy, son of late Sen. Robert F. Kennedy.


Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Economy/story?id=6589473&page=1
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 06:20 PM
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1. And conservatives would let the poor freeze and starve to death
Viva Chavez! Viva Bolivarian Revolution!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 06:23 PM
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2. Thank you, American Enterprise Institute for your endless self caricature!
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 06:29 PM
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3. Heh. Look at the spin ABC puts on the news by quoting that AEI hack.
It's a permanent Twilight Zone for whatever readers are left of their tripe.

Viva Chavez!
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 06:41 PM
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5. no shit.... good catch
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 06:31 PM
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4. We all know that * was beside himself that evil ol Chavez
beat him to the punch by helping out those freezing people. *n really, really wanted to help.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 06:48 PM
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6. I love Chavez but I disagree. He should take care of his own people first.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 10:02 PM
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15. I look at this as the Chavez version of "hearts and minds"
But instead of victimizing the poor of a war-torn, powerless country he's poking a finger in the eye of the most selfish, powerful country on the earth.

It doesn't change the fact that it's done purely for propaganda reasons. Everybody wants to sell something.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 11:19 AM
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20. What makes you such an expert on Chavez's motivations?
He has provided Humanitarian aid to virtually every Central and South American country as well, even Colombia which he is currently at odds with. He has been a champion of the people from day one. Maybe you can tell us when he has not championed the people and put wealth and influence above their interests. I would be quite interested to hear about it..
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 12:32 PM
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23. I can see he's won yours.
Mission accomplished, as it were.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 12:41 PM
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25. I am open to all legitimate views on the subject.
I asked for examples and what did you give me?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 06:50 PM
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7. Thanks for getting this posted, thanks to fascisthunter for the info. you'd posted it. n/t
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Hulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 07:04 PM
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8. Why should a "third world country" be handing out "free oil" to the US???
Nice that they do, but why?? We don't take care of our own...we have to have leaders of third world countries helping out?

I just find this a bit bazaar. I mean, there are LOTS of poor Venezuelans that could probably benefit from these revenues. This makes absolutely NO SENSE to me.

I am impressed with Hugo Chavez...anyone who refers to this total asshole mass-murderer of ours as "el diablo", and expels the ambassador of this zionist aggression nation of israel has shown he stands on his principles.

But free heating oil to a nation of morons?...why?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 07:16 PM
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10. Chavez has diverted oil profits to help the poor and the peasants in Venezuela
Cuba has assisted by establishing free clinics and sending doctors and nurses to provide health care to people to whom it was not available in the pre-Chavez days.

The free heating oil is targeted to America's poor, the people that were ignored by the GOP (it favors the investor class) or the Democrats (it appeals to "middle class.")
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 09:46 PM
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13. He helps out many S American countries as well
He seems to be a Socialist 'True Believer'. He walks the walk. The US aid is an obvious diplomatic 'slap in the face'.... It works for him.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 10:05 PM
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16. It's "bizarre" - you buy goods in a bazaar.
and please see my post above for a partial explanation.

Hearts and minds.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 12:41 PM
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24. Well I am glad they did.
I am one of the morons they helped.

I'll pay if forward when I can.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 07:06 PM
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9. we are going to need every drop of fuel this year in america
this fucking government is`t going to help us and at least some will get help from hugo....
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 07:24 PM
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11. Good for Chavez. He's been giving out Venezuela's money to help the poor all over
South America. I'm appreciative of him thinking of our poor. They sure as hell weren't getting it from Cheney and Bush.

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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 09:03 PM
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12. Gracias, Hugo!
Viva Chavez!

Damn, all that indignant rage expressed by a few of his "fan club" was wasted. Hee hee. But it was kind of amusing...
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booley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 09:48 PM
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14. wait, whuh?
Ok this part confused me..

"He's just running out of money," said Mark Falcoff,"

So he's running out of money.. so he' s going to SPEND MORE MONEY?!?

And he's spending that money to make friends in a country who's government hates him among people with almost no influence in that government.

But oh I then noticed this part...

"...a conservative Washington think tank...."

Yes the conservative think tanks, the same ones that said Iraq would be easy and trickle down economics works and the Republicans would remain a majority for 30 years.

In other words this looks like another case of conservatives starting with a conclusion and then saying facts support it rather then looking at reality and trying to see what's the most likely conclusion. These 'think tanks" exist to sell their ideology, not provide any answers or solutions to anything.

Chavez may very well be running out of money. But a "conservative think tank" are the least credible source to base that claim on.
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antimatter98 Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 10:40 PM
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17. Donate to Citizen's Energy --they take paypal.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 09:34 AM
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18. Hmmmm, It's surprisingly quiet in here.................. nt
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 12:18 PM
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21. Isn't it, though? No one relentlessly savaging DU'ers, no one shrieking, bouncing off the walls.
No one making a spectacular ass of himself.

Hardly seems worth it, anymore. Sniff. How can any of us go on?

http://www.spurgeonworld.com.nyud.net:8090/blog/images/groucho.jpg
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ShadesOfGrey Donating Member (646 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 10:40 AM
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19. Thank you Venezuela!

:kick:
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 12:26 PM
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22. Bravo Chavez!
I have to say, it is to our eternal shame that we need handouts for the poor in our country from Venezuala. We should work to remedy this situation.

Julie
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 03:36 PM
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26. Venezuela to keep sending free fuel to U.S. poor
Venezuela to keep sending free fuel to U.S. poor
By IAN JAMES • Associated Press • January 8, 2009

CARACAS, Venezuela – President Hugo Chavez will keep donating heating oil for poor American families in a costly decision that suggests the Venezuelan leader wants to keep to his pledges – and buttress his image – in spite of falling oil prices.

Venezuela's Citgo Petroleum Corp. announced the aid program would continue on Wednesday, just two days after its partner nonprofit group, Boston-based Citizens Energy, said Citgo had halted the free fuel shipments due to the world economic crisis.

~snip~
"He's torn between being the visionary socialist Paul Bunyan and at the same time someone who has some capacity for prudence in terms of evaluating what kinds of burdens his economy can bear," Birns said.

Citgo Chief Executive Alejandro Granado said in Boston on Wednesday that Citgo had found a way to continue paying for oil shipments.

"This is a big effort," Granado said. "This is a sacrifice."

More:
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20090108/NEWS/90108048/1006
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 10:46 PM
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27. kick
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 10:46 PM
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28. Chavez says US heating oil program never suspended
Source: Associated Press

Posted on Saturday, 01.10.09
Chavez says US heating oil program never suspended
By RACHEL JONES
Associated Press Writer

CARACAS, Venezuela -- President Hugo Chavez said Saturday that Venezuela's program to provide heating oil to poor American families was never halted, despite concerns that deliveries might be interrupted.

Venezuela's Citgo Petroleum Corp. had to make a public announcement that the aid would continue after its partner nonprofit group said Citgo stopped the free fuel shipments because of the world economic crisis.

"They are speculating on all sides that Venezuela has suspended its program of cooperation with the poor of the United States," Chavez said. "No, it was never suspended."

~snip~
On Saturday, Chavez poked fun at analysts who said he was cutting the assistance to make relations difficult with President-elect Barack Obama, saying they made him laugh.

"They build this analysis on a lie," he said.

(my emphasis)

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/americas/AP/story/847131.html
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 10:46 PM
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29. I'm sure this somehow proves him either a dictator or just a general ne'er-do-well
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 10:46 PM
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30. Ha! You can be sure someone will try it.
For anyone who missed the original story posted here, this might be useful:

Citgo to suspend heating oil aid for U.S. poor
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=3673582
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 10:46 PM
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31. So Joe Kennedy is a filthy liar?
:shrug:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 10:46 PM
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32. Who said that? Why bother to post, if that's all you've got. n/t
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 10:49 PM
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33. Uh....logic?
He made a HUGE announcement. Either it was true or it was not. Not much gray there.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 10:52 PM
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34. Why not post a link to his statement on ending the program? Just post the link. n/t
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-09 06:42 AM
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35. "He's just running out of money"--lying AEI shit. This is simply NOT TRUE.
According to IncaKola News (economic analyst), Venezuela has $140 billion in international cash reserves. This means that, due to the excellent financial management of the Chavez government, Venezuela, which gets about 90% of its revenue from oil, can ride out $60-70/barrel for several years, without even touching its cash reserves, and has maximum flexibility in how to structure use of their cash reserves, to survive the current slump ($40-50/barrel) without any significant cuts in its various social or other programs.

Now think for a minute where Venezuela would be at, if the previous rightwing governments, or the fascist putsch that the Bushwhacks supported, had been running Venezuela instead of the Chavez government. Previous rightwing governments were giving away Venezuela's oil profits to the multinationals, in a 90/10 split favoring the multinationals, with the rich oil elite padding their own pockets and utterly neglecting even basic sensible needs of their own country, such as infracture and manufacturing development, not to mention utterly neglecting the vast poor majority, as to education and other bootstrapping. The Chavez government, as soon as it was elected, began negotiating a better deal for Venezuela, with the most recent round of negotiations providing a 60/40 split favoring Venezuela's social programs.

Venezuela would be up shit creek right now, if rightwing/fascist governments had been in charge. Instead, they are one of the most solvent countries in the western world. They have furthermore helped other South American countries to achieve or maintain solvency. For instance, they helped Argentina pay off its ruinous World Bank/IMF debt some years ago--after the World Bank/IMF had driven Argentina's economy belly up--with a combination of easy term loans and barter arrangements (such as oil for beef). Argentina immediately started turning around, and is now a healthy trading partner for Brazil, Venezuela and other countries. Venezuela's notions of this kind of regional cooperation led to creation of the Bank of the South--which is elbowing the World Bank/IMF loan sharks out of the region--to barter trade groups like ALBA, and ultimately to the recently formalized South American 'common market,' UNASUR.

This is why the fascist shits at the AEI, the Bushwhacks, collusive Democrats and the corpo/fascist 'news' monopolies hate Hugo Chavez. Because he has good ideas, that benefit most people. One of the ways they dis him is by calling Venezuela's aid--to Argentina, Bolivia, Nicaragua and other countries--"checkbook diplomacy." Yeah, well, it would really 'benefit' Venezuela to have failing economies all around it, wouldn't it? Chavez is a smart man, who attracts smart people to his government. He enjoys an on-going approval rating of 60%, has been elected--in elections that put our own to shame for their transparency--three times (counting an initial short term before the current Constitution was written and voted on)--and also won a Bushwhack-instigated/U.S. taxpayer funded recall election--and is well-liked throughout the region, even by leaders who are not direct beneficiaries of Venezuelan aid (because they don't need it), such as Lula da Silva, president of Brazil, who said, of Chavez, "They can think up all sorts of reasons to criticize Chavez, but not on democracy!"

That is the other goddamn lie about Chavez--that he is, somehow, some way, or is soon to be, or wants to be--a "dictator." A total lie--a lie in the face of all of the facts. And crude lie, worthy of the crude people who have hijacked our own government.

Chavez and da Silva are good friends, and together with all the many other leftist leaders of South America, are transforming South America into a powerhouse economic block with the clout to protect its own interests, resources and people. This peaceful, democratic, leftist revolution is moving north, as well, with the Sandinistas elected in Nicaragua, Guatemala electing its first leftist government ever, Honduras leaning left, the FMLN about to be elected in El Salvador, and the Mexican left poised to make a comeback (they lost by only a hairsbreadth--0.05%--a couple of years ago and the rightwing government has fucked up in many ways, under Bush Jr's tutelage).

The government that is "running out of money" is our own--and any who have followed the Bushwhacks over the "neo-liberal"/NeoCon cliff, urged on by the likes of the AEI. I think we have to realize that we have the same kind of traitors in our own rich elite as the ones who were selling Venezuela down the river, before Chavez. They have a lot of nerve calling themselves "American" or even giving themselves the adjective "Enterprise" (Capt. Picard would be appalled!). They are looters and brigands, in league with global corporate predators and war profiteers--an international cabal of super-rich, anti-democratic fuckwads who have loyalty to no country or people, and who are destroying this one.

IF democracy, solvency and prosperity are to be restored in the U.S., it will be by following the South Americans' example, and, in particular, Venezuela's example, starting with transparent elections, and with difficult, long term, courageous, grass roots work on all of our democratic institutions. Chavez did not turn Venezuela around overnight or by himself. It took a vast collective effort over about a decade of time. It took turning back a Bush-instigated coup, by peaceful action of the Venezuelan people (Chavez had been kidnapped, and the Constitution and all civil rights suspended; see "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised," the Irish filmmakers' documentary on that seminal event). And it took the collective, cooperative effort of people in many countries, creating a leftist tide throughout the region, which provides strength to each country. The Bushwhacks, for instance, recently funded and organized fascist rioters and murderers in Bolivia, in an attempted coup against Evo Morales. UNASUR intervened with unanimous action in support of Bolivia's democratic government.

South America has never been so unified nor determined upon collective action in support of democracy, good government and social justice. Chavez is a key leader of this amazing, historic development. The AEI doesn't want you to know this. Nor does ABC News, the generator of this piece of shit article.

"That's good news (continued Citgo free heating oil) for the 200,000 households in 23 states that got free fuel but the suspension of the program -- if only for two days -- signals to some a decline in power by Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez." --ABC News (emphasis added)

It would be funny, if it weren't so very, very ugly. How can so-called journalists lie like this, in support of the greedy and the murderous?
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