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GRClarkesq Donating Member (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 08:47 AM
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Pakistani Tribune: A Q Khan suffers heart attack
Pakistan's top scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan, involved in nuclear sales, has reportedly suffered a heart attack.

Dr. Khan is under treatment at his residence and his condition is stated to be critical," a local daily quoted officials of an hospital attached to Khan Research Laboratories, formerly headed by Khan, as saying.

http://paktribune.com/news/index.php?id=54966
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T Roosevelt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:04 AM
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1. Things that make you go "hmmmmmm..."
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:07 AM
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2. There are drugs you can slip to someone that will...
...induce a heart attack. I'm sure the CIA or the INI have such drugs. :tinfoilhat:
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:51 AM
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5. If anybody deserves such drugs
its Mr. Nuclear Bazaar.
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 10:11 AM
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7. AQ Khan or Edward Teller/ Teller crossed the Rubicon first
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 10:14 AM
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8. Yes, but Edward Teller's dead
Edited on Mon Feb-16-04 10:16 AM by mobuto
and Mr. Khan is, at last check, still alive.

Teller was a truly twisted man, but I don't believe he ever tried to sell nuclear weapons to the highest bidden. Khan takes the cake. I'm not one normally predisposed to conspiracy theories, but whether he had heart attack or not to cover his secrets, that's what a lot of people will be saying.
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 10:56 AM
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10. The difference between rich and poor
Edited on Mon Feb-16-04 11:00 AM by jmcgowanjm
Teller didn't need to sell. As a matter of fact, the rich didn't
want him to sell.

Karma's a bitch. The rumor in my family is that my grandfather
was Oppenheimer's electrician at Los Alamos.
My grandfather died of a brain tumor. Messing with
radiation can be very damaging to one's health.

Why the US practices double standards
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5664.htm
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 10:59 AM
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12. Khan didn't need to sell either
What are you kidding me? Pakistan's nuke program is the one part of that country that has never wanted for money.

Don't frame this into a class issue, it isn't. Khan's an evil, nihilistic man and he deserves everything he gets and more.
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 11:37 AM
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13. you're pullin' scabs now mobuto
The only reason Pakistan's nuclear has never wanted for anything
is because everything else in Pakistan has been sacrificed
to acquire it.

Just like in the US on a different scale. It's estimated that the
US has spent over $5.5 trillion acquiring its nuclear
arsenal/technology.
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 11:43 AM
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14. Yes, but the US could (more or less) afford it
Whereas Pakistan is only 45% literate (among women, that's only 30%), has no functioning public school system, is desperately poor, etc.

Pakistan has squandered what little money it has on its nuclear program, and then Mr. Khan goes around to other desperately poor countries and tries to get them to squander their own scarce resources on weapons to kill millions.
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 12:26 PM
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15. It's hard to find Angels in Hell
What you have described is the exact reason why
nuclear proliferation has been so feared.

When the downtrodden get hold of the Doomsday
Device.

And BTW-just how did Britain and France and Israel
acquire Le
Force de Frappe.

What the average Pakistani thinks of AQ Khan.

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:_d_05cyiIwQJ:www.spacewar.com/2004/040130110728.yxbeuoad.html+AQ+Khan+hero+of+pakistan&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 12:43 PM
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18. And on what the US can afford
http://mwhodges.home.att.net/summary.htm

The US w/ 5%of the population consumes 25%of the
world's hydrocarbons and borrows 75% of that cost
from the world.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 12:36 PM
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16. Great minds think alike
That was exactly what occurred to me. Of course the money he got to keep will come in handy now.

Could covert activites be on the fast track?
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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 12:38 PM
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17. No wonder they pardoned him...they intended to kill him
They get to keep him as a national hero and not take the blame for his death but I think that if anything happens to him in the next three months there will be civil unrest in Pakistan and Musharaff will be a target of his own people.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:10 AM
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3. Pakistan claims he is in good health / BBC Report
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3491829.stm

Nuclear scientist 'in good health'

Monday, 16 February, 2004

Pakistan has denied press reports that disgraced nuclear scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan has had a heart attack.

A military spokesman said doctors had examined Dr Khan over the weekend but added it had been a routine check-up.

Earlier, a report in the prestigious Pakistani newspaper Dawn had described Dr Khan's condition as critical.
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 09:50 AM
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4. Coincidence Collusion Chaos Theory
Coincidence: def.
1.  the temporal property of two things happening at the same time; "the interval determining the coincidence gate is adjustable"
2.  the quality of occupying the same position or area in space; "he waited for the coincidence of the target and the cross hairs"
3.  an event that might have been arranged although it was really accidental
http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/coincidence

4. Now take definition (3), reverse the order of "arranged"
and "accident", google the new definition, and here's what
you get:

http://www.collusion.org/Article.cfm?ID=238
 
http://www.utas.edu.au/docs/humsoc/philosophy/ccc/slides/93b.html

Aperiodic behaviour is where there is no regular
repetition, such as in Lorenz's weather prediction

Unstable behaviour, on the other hand, is where
one tiny variation ( AQ Khan?) will produce a huge
variation. The
essence of an unstable system is sensitivity of final
conditions to initial conditions.
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 10:04 AM
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6. What was this article all about? Well, it was about coincidence.
Edited on Mon Feb-16-04 10:07 AM by jmcgowanjm
Coincidence is very good for individuals looking to
cause trouble like invade networks and systems,
deface web pages, and spread weeds, summer
homes, viruses and Trojan horses. Coincidence
is bad for everyone else. When the evil CaptainTerror
invades a system, he will not fortify the system based
on coincidence... no way. He is going to fortify the
system so his little nest is safe and secure otherwise
he will be detected and chased away. Then he has no
more summer home in France in order to conduct raids
and his brokerage accounts will start to suffer.

Now how did I get to Trojan Horses from AQ Khan.
Chaos Theory is wierd stuff.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 10:53 AM
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9. did he suffer a heart attack
or is this euphemism for we are taking care of the problem?
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 10:59 AM
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11. Coincidence or Collusion/so close as to blur
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 01:28 PM
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19. however, on the other foot, you can understand why countries would

want nukes - to protect themselves from america/bushgang.
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