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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 04:56 PM
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Oil sands called 'Canada’s dirty secret' at UN summit
Source: Financial Post

CALGARY -- Scrutiny over Alberta's environmental record followed Premier Ed Stelmach's government halfway around the world Wednesday, as the province's environment minister and the oil sands were targeted at crucial international climate-change talks in Poland.

In another sign the province can't escape criticism over the oil sands' ecological footprint, Environment Minister Rob Renner received an earful during a pre-arranged meeting with a Canadian youth delegation attending the United Nations climate-change conference in Poznan, Poland.

A photo display set up by the delegation -- which featured aerial shots of oil sands operations, corresponding captions and a banner that read "Canada's dirty secret" -- also generated some unflattering attention.

Officials with the larger Canadian government team attending the talks demanded the oil sands display be torn down, according to Alex Doukas, a 23-year-old Calgary resident and one of a few dozen youth who sat down with Mr. Renner.

Read more: http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=1061793



Healthy forests torn down and turned into

The oil sands production process consists of using hot water to separate the oil from sand, resulting in tailings ponds that would remain contaminated for decades.

(pic at link) Hundreds of square miles of this stuff so that the US can get its oil fix and BigOil rakes in the dough.

Bet the removal of all those trees has an effect on the amount of cold winds coming down from Canada.
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 05:12 PM
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1. Extracting this sludge uses more water per day than the entire city
of Calgary, Alberta. It's something that never should have started.
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 05:15 PM
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2. Wasn't this one of Palin's pet projects?? Pipeline to nowhere?
Another Palin success story.
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 05:24 PM
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3. Here's a bit from DUer (Witchy Dem) about the Palin involvement:
Edited on Thu Dec-11-08 05:26 PM by Blaze Diem
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=138x2484
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Witchy_Dem
Donating Member (302 posts) Wed Sep-03-08 07:03 PM
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6. Palin and TransCanada

I'm looking for facts to back up the following comments. Further down that post there are two comments about the TransCanada Pipeline deal which in part reads:

A couple years ago, ConocoPhillips and BP proposed to build a gas pipeline with their own money to take (relatively) clean natural gas from Prudhoe Bay south, all the way to the Lower 48. What was Palin's response? She hustled the Alaska State legislature to award the license to a competitor, TransCanada Pipelines, but with a $500 million taxpayer incentive attached.

That's right, the people of Alaska gifted half a billion to get a pipeline built that another consortium was willing to build with its own nickle.

But, it gets even better. It turns out that the TransCanada Pipeline project won't be taking gas to the United States, after all. It will end at a preexisting terminal in Ft. McKenzie, Alberta. What's there? The world's largest tar sand pits. And, what might natural gas have to do with that? A billion cubic feet of the stuff is needed to cook the petroleum slury out of the sand for shipment to the U.S. for processing into motor fuels and heating oil, a much dirtier end use for the stuff. But, more profitable in an era of $150/bbl oil. So, who owns the processing plants and tar sands? If you guessed ConocoPhillips and BP, you get a cigar.

So, to wrap up, what was Sarah Plain's role as "reformer" and oil industry watchdog? She handed the oil companies $500 million taxpayer dollars to build the shorter pipeline that they really wanted to begin with.

Follow the pipeline, and you'll find the money.

What they're doing is first, an end-around of NAFTA, because the gas will come from the US (Alaska, remember?) rather than Canada, and second, getting more profit out of it because of the high price of oil and the comparatively low price of gas. The oil companies would otherwise have to tap the McKenzie gas fields to develop the Athabasca tar sands; but they can't do that because of NAFTA. With this pipeline in place, they can use the Alaskan gas instead, and basically sell it to us at five times the price by shipping synthetic crude from Athabasca made with the gas, rather than directly shipping gas from Alaska. To top it all off, they get to keep the price of gas high in the lower 48 because there's no major influx of gas from Alaska; they're burning it in Athabasca.

Joe Sixpack ain't gonna be able to follow this particular piece of legerdemain. The 500 million simoleans is seed money to get the project going to employ Alaskans. You can almost make a case for this if you ignore the global warming implications, the price of the Athabasca synthetic crude, and the price of natural gas in the lower 48.

This is one seriously slick piece of double-dealing. Palin can point to the benefits to Alaska and justify it that way; the oil companies can point to the Athabasca synthetic crude and claim they're providing what we said we wanted; and they make more profit off the gas two ways, first because they use it to make a higher-profit product, and second because they don't drive the price of the gas they're selling down by adding the Alaska gas to the market.
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BunkerHill24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 05:38 PM
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4. wow, just wow!....Thank you and Duer Witchy Dem for this explosive info
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 10:07 PM
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5. These climate talks are the most underreported story of the week.
Edited on Thu Dec-11-08 10:08 PM by TheBorealAvenger
Good find!
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 10:26 PM
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6. IT'S NOT JUST CANADA... Enron is alive and well in the BAKKENS in the US.
They trade on the stock exchange under EOG.
As do several others mining the oil sand in the US.
Not that you'll ever hear about it in the MSM.

BHN
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