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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 01:14 PM
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Americans' debt shrinks - 1st time ever
Source: CNNMoney

In a sign that Americans' spending habits are shifting, household debt fell for the first time ever, based on data going back to 1952.

According to a Federal Reserve report released Thursday, consumer debt fell an annualized $30 billion, or 0.8% in the third quarter to $13.91 trillion.

Americans saw their net worth decline by $2.8 trillion, or 4.7%, in the third quarter, dragged down by precipitous declines in home values and the stock market.

The net worth of U.S. households fell to $56.5 trillion at the end of September, according to the Federal Reserve's flow of funds report, which was released Thursday.

Home values declined by $347 billion in the quarter to $19.1 trillion. The net value of stock holdings for households fell $921.8 billion to $7.3 trillion.

Read more: http://money.cnn.com/2008/12/11/news/economy/flow_of_funds/index.htm
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Bok_Tukalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 01:16 PM
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1. I think we have run out of purchasers of our debt
<OPE>
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ben_meyers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 01:35 PM
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2. You think wrong
The Associated Press reports ….

The Treasury Department said Tuesday it had sold $30 billion in four-week bills at an interest rate of zero percent, the first time that’s happened since the government began issuing the notes in 2001. And when investors traded their T-bills with each other, the yield sometimes went negative.


Not only did "they" buy our debt, they got zero return.

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Bok_Tukalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 01:37 PM
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3. I was thinking consumer debt
I misunderstood the OP and did not realize it was about government instruments.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 01:38 PM
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4. Could bankruptcy and loan defaults be the reason?
I think once they give up on ever getting repaid the debt is written off and and you're no longer in debt.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 01:40 PM
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5. Both bankruptcy filings and loan defaults are WAY up,
but I'm not sure, in the aggregate, that they account for a sufficient dollar amount to impact a national debt total.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 02:06 PM
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6. Yeah when you foreclose on your house you have a lot less debt
but you are homeless. It is good to get rid of debt but if it happens in the wrong way it is not a plus.
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Political_Junkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 02:40 PM
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7. Yep, Jwirr
that's how it happens. I'm debt free! Woohoo...
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 03:25 PM
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8. did my part
last cc paid off this month. only have car note (paid off next may) and mortgage and woohoo! downsizing bigtime for retirement in a couple.
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 10:36 PM
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9. Hmm. Pay as you go.
We heard that from a fine fellow in the 2004 presidential race.

And I heard if from my parents too--save then spend. It works to keep away the corporatists who would take our money.


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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 01:24 AM
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10. are you going to save your $ in a bank? if so, the corporatists have the use of it.
in a credit union? check carefully, many are run by corporations (e.g. weyerhaueser's employee credit union) - & they get to use your $.

unless you bury it in the yard, most savings options entail corporatists using your money.
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