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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 11:21 AM
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Chemicals boss warns of exodus (allow us to pollute or we take our jobs elsewhere)
Source: Times UK

JIM RATCLIFFE, the reclusive billionaire behind Ineos, Britain’s largest private company, has warned Gordon Brown that hundreds of thousands of jobs will be lost if the prime minister commits Britain to tougher EU curbs on carbon emissions.

Ratcliffe issued the warning in a letter last week that was also signed by Paul Thompson, chief executive of GrowHow, the UK’s last remaining fertiliser manufacturer, and Steve Elliott, head of the Chemical Industries Association.

It is part of a feverish, last-ditch effort by the chemicals industry and other big energy users to force changes to the EU Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS) ahead of a summit of EU leaders this week in Brussels, where they are expected to sign off on a bloc-wide climate-change package.

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In its current form, the ETS will impose carbon-emissions caps on industrial polluters from 2013 and force them to pay for 100% of their permits by 2020. Ratcliffe said that doing so would be “truly horrendous” for the industry and make it uncompetitive.

Instead, he says that chemicals manufacturers should be allocated permits for free and agree on less stringent pollution caps because they compete against rivals in countries not subject to such rules.

Read more: http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/industrials/article5299219.ece




An extortion letter. Should be illegal.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 11:25 AM
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1. Hold the line, Mr. PM
They will stay or they will go and really, one shouldn't negotiate with terrorists.

If nothing else, we've learned that lesson with Paulson.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 11:25 AM
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2. Time for the perp walk. nt
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 11:28 AM
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3. Let's see; bigger profits or the death of most life on the planet
this should be a no-brainer to most of humanity, except, of course, for those who were brainless to begin with. Ratcliff's void of intelligence has been filled with greed.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 02:28 PM
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17. Let them kill us for profit or they'll kill someone else for profit.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 11:36 AM
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4. Dethrone these assholes, or uncharter their corps. Deny influence in their markets
The old saw about not being able according to physics to tax a corp. They will just punish us worse. FUCK THEM. They will cower, with the right threat.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 02:27 PM
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16. Sequestrate his assets as a theat to the environment.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 11:37 AM
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5. hundreds of thousands of jobs headed to China
they will land those unwanted jobs with their "developing country" status waiver
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 05:37 PM
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26. The waiver has to be ended. The balance of payments
shows that it is no longer needed.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 12:11 PM
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6. Adios, motherfuckers!!! If the door doesn't hit you in the ass..........
.........my 9mm will!!!!!!
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 12:13 PM
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7. Tariffs. (nt)
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 12:17 PM
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8. Yes. TARIFFS ALREADY.
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PSPS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 12:19 PM
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9. This is why we must return to tariffs.
This sort of blackmail is actually codified into our "trade agreements," especially when extra-legal enforcement panels like the World Trade Organization, who can overrule by fiat laws enacted by legitimate elected bodies, are involved.

In this case, the company should be free to move their facilities offshore, but their products would be subject to an import tariff equal to the amount they "saved" by moving to a country with no environmental laws, slave wages, etc.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 12:49 PM
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10. These people need to be in jail
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 01:00 PM
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12. They need to be guillotined. n/t,
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 12:52 PM
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11. This is what globalization and "free trade" is all about, being able to blackmail countries...
...into doing what the corporatist elite wants them to do or else they threaten to go elsewhere. It's a race to the bottom.
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Akoto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 01:13 PM
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13. Ah, so it's corporate extortion. Sounds like the ETS is scaring them bad. n/t
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 01:18 PM
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14. Fine. Then impose stiff tariffs on importation of these chemicals. Asshole.n/t
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 01:30 PM
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15. "because they compete against rivals in countries not subject to such rules."
he has just made a very good argument against free trade with any country not having comparable evnironmental standards
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 02:47 PM
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18. Ban products from countries that don't follow the rules.
Edited on Sun Dec-07-08 02:48 PM by formercia
Whiny criminals.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 02:55 PM
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19. Answer: Nationalize the industry!
Throw the capitalist rascals out!
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 03:01 PM
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20. Interesting timing. This week's Trends magazine has "rules will cost chem industry 700 million
concerted effort to spook us.

Screw them, we've been destroying our habitat for long enough.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 03:02 PM
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21. "....yes, we know the planet's dying. That's not our problem."
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 03:08 PM
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22. This is ecoterrorism. nt
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 06:36 PM
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28. Eco-terrorism. I think this sums it up well.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 03:36 PM
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23. There needs to be international laws to stop this extortion and jobs drain..n/t
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 03:57 PM
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24. And that's why they can sell water.
And charge more for piping it and more for cleaning it.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 05:36 PM
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25. Better yet, impose a tax on imports of products produced in polluting
plants that make the cost to polluters astronomical. Pollution should not pay. Ratcliffe has a point, sad as it is.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 06:15 PM
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27. That's an Idea
it would tie in with "Fair Trade" policies.

Let's figure out a way to apply a carbon tax to imported products, too.
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:20 AM
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29. I like the idea of enacting massive import tariffs.
Less viscerally satisfying than having that slimy little corporate bully reduced to a head on a spike at the Tower of London for his blatant extortion attempt, but probably easier to accomplish without sparking massive socio-political backlash.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 06:51 AM
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30. Fucking creep. I think the pollutants should be dumped at his house.
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