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Bushknew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 10:23 PM
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Police investigator: there were no e-mails on computer Raúl Reyes
Source: Colombia Reports

An anti-terrorism investigator of the Colombian police said no e-mails were found on the computer of slain FARC commander Raúl Reyes. Investigators only found Word documents, Noticias Uno reported Tuesday.

Captain Ronald Hayden Coy Cortiz declared before the prosecution that e-mail addresses were found in the Word documents, but that there were no e-mails on the computers.

"We haven't seen any e-mails, I haven't found them so far. They found a large number of e-mail addresses, but Reyes kept these in a Word document and other Microsoft documents," the investigator said in his testimony.


Read more: http://colombiareports.com/colombian-news/news/2215-police-investigator-there-were-no-e-mails-on-computer-raul-reyes.html



Well, well, well that makes The Economist and so many other people effing lairs.

http://www.economist.com/world/americas/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11412645

Interpol has now concluded that the huge cache of e-mails and other documents recovered from the computers of Raúl Reyes, a senior leader of the FARC guerrillas killed in a Colombian bombing raid on his camp in Ecuador on March 1st, are authentic and undoctored. The documents throw new light on the inner workings of the FARC. And they raise some very pointed questions about the ties between Venezuela's leftist president, Hugo Chávez, and a group considered to be terrorists by the United States and the European Union (EU).

Batches of the documents have been seen by The Economist and several other publications. They appear to show that Mr Chávez offered the FARC up to $300m, and talked of allocating the guerrillas an oil ration which they could sell for profit. They also suggest that Venezuelan army officers helped the FARC to obtain small arms, such as rocket-propelled grenades, and to set up meetings with arms dealers.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 10:30 PM
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1. Beautiful, Bushknew. People didn't believe that crap for a minute. Only the fascists among us tried
to pretend any part of it had merit. Hilarious.

Thanks so much for getting that info. here in a hurry. Delicious. Knew it.

Look for this guy to suddenly show up dead. Any bets?

Thank YOU.
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Bushknew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 10:43 PM
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3. Hey Judi, the press always paints Chávez in the worst possble light or lies outright
Edited on Tue Dec-02-08 10:46 PM by Bushknew
here is the proof, how much coverage will THIS get? Very little I'm afraid, yet somehow I always hear dally reports
of what a dictator Chávez is.

KEEP TELLING THE TRUTH Judi!
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 11:31 PM
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4. I've gotta leave, will come back and look for more info. Here is something from a Spanish site
which I ran through google translation, so it's a little rough, of course. Still, if you look through it, it may be interesting to you. I haven't had time to look beyond the first paragraph. Gotta take off. Back later.

Original, in Spanish:
http://www.ips.org/blog/cvieira/?p=216



In computers Reyes had no e-mails
01 December 2008

The One News television newscast showed, in his broadcast on Sunday, apart from a statement by the captain Ronald Coy Ortiz.

The expert said the police under oath to the Colombian Attorney in the trial against the Ecuadorian deputy to the Constituent Assembly, Maria Augusta Calle, who had no e-mails on computers such as the "Raul Reyes."

These documents contain Word, which does not serve to test an exchange of communications by incoming or outgoing mails. Deputy Calle, also a journalist with the agency Altercom, and former fellow of Ashoka, appears in an email asking "Kings" money for the lease, according to the Colombian authorities.



This is the text of the dossier sent down by One News:



"Question: Report to the office if you found the items seized from Raul Reyes electronic files for e-mails sent and received by him. HAYDEN RONALD COY ORTIZ: Shot of email has not been found so far. Have been found large quantity of addresses that belong to e-mails. But Reyes stored information in Word and Microsoft programs. "



According to Defense Minister Juan Manuel Santos, is "a strategy that leaves many people involved in the post and defend well. But the emails are proof even in Spain. Five ETA have been captured ... "



Vale recall paragraphs 66 and 67 of the "Interpol forensic report on computers and computer equipment seized by the FARC in Colombia - Public Report." They actually do not talk about e-mails, although electronic mailing.



Paragraph 66 said that "in the confidential report from Interpol (delivered to the Colombian government) contains all user files stored in the eight exhibits seized. It is up to the Colombian authorities to decide in a sovereign manner what information must be disclosed. "



For his part, said paragraph 67: "Without disclosing such data, Interpol can state the following with respect to any user files contained in the eight exhibits a computer seized at the FARC:



<!--< if! supportLists >-->· <!--< endif> -> We found 109 files of documents in more than one of the exhibits

<!--< if! supportLists >-->· <!--< endif> -> 452 spreadsheets

<!--< if! supportLists >-->· <!--< endif> -> 7989 e-mail addresses

<!--< if! supportLists >-->· <!--< endif> -> 10,537 multimedia files (sound and video)

<!--< if! supportLists >-->· <!--< endif> -> 22,481 web pages

<!--< if! supportLists >-->· <!--< endif> -> 37,872 written documents (Word, PDF and text format)

<!--< if! supportLists >-->· <!--< endif> -> 210,888 images



In the past, 983 files were encrypted. "



The eight items handed over to Interpol as a computer allegedly seized in the attack on the camp of "Kings" in the territory of Ecuador are three laptops, two external hard drives and three USB keys.



But the two external hard drives appeared halfway, but we must make it clear that they allegedly contain music, videos and images, and everything was admitted to both pieces with future date. He also recorded a future date for computers, which in turn holds only one file.



In the same section of Annexes to the report, the first communication to Interpol, with the subject "Request technical forensic expert," Gen. Oscar Naranjo, director of the National Police, contends that the valuation officer "three (3) and three computers (3) USB devices. " The secretary generadle Interpol, Ronald K. Noble, the contests on March 5 to the then director of the secret service, DAS, Maria del Pilar Hurtado, confirming a written after a telephone conversation: "Specifically, you have requested. Interpol to provide them with expert assistance in the field of computer forensics investigation in connection with the data stored in three (3) computers and three (3) USB, which were confiscated as part of an operation ... "



The next day, the controversial director of DAS will write to Noble, with the reference "Request for technical assistance", "establish the origin and technical management given the information obtained from the process of searching for files stored on three computers laptops, three USB memory sticks, and two external disks, which are the subject of analysis by the National Police of Colombia .... "

On August 28, the reader Lucy Roessler rightly says: "On page 53 of the Interpol report says that he formally applied to the body, 'the official valuation of three (3) computers and three (3) USB storage devices ... ' ", And refers to an article of his in Indymedia.
Spanish » English Translate

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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 10:30 PM
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2. Gawrsh.
Who would have seeded a false story to the press, hillhillhill?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 04:33 AM
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5. More on this exceptional bit of news we never thought would get published!
Colombia: investigator swears laptop had no emails
by Penta on Tue Dec 02, 2008 6:49 pm

Captain Ronald Hayden Coy Cortiz, the anti-terrorist investigator from DIJIN who wrote the report on the magic laptop, has sworn under oath that there were no emails at all on it. It was all Word docs.

The Colombian government has been claiming there were thousands of emails, and has arrested and charged all sorts of people, including politicians, journalists and members of NGOs they don't like. And of course they've had great fun smearing Chávez and other Venezuelan and Ecuadorian politicians (though their case against Chávez at least, on the basis of the "email" they quoted was so pathetic as to be completely risible anyway).

They can say the saved Word documents were saved emails sent or received, but it turns out there is no evidence on the laptop of any communication, one way or the other, between the FARC leadership and any of those who've been accused.

Don't hold your breath waiting for apologies.
http://cafe.comebackalive.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=40958
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 08:32 AM
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6. You know, I was wondering about this--about how stupid it would have been for
Raul Reyes to send any important communication by email. Email is so easy for the NSA (or Rumsfeld's "Office of Special Plans in Exile") to penetrate. They are spying on ALL of our emails. So a guerrilla fighter in the jungles of Colombia, whose life is always in danger, just sends off emails to his comrades, or to Hugo Chavez? I mean, these are very smart guerrilla fighters. Been around for more than forty years. And they are very, very, very cautious. Reyes death to the contrary notwithstanding, they have been brilliant at avoiding capture, and at controlling some 20% or more of Colombia's territory--literally a second government.

I remember their actions around the hostages that Chavez got released. The Colombian government asked Chavez to negotiate with them. Then the Colombian military bombed the hostages location as they were in route to their freedom. The FARC quickly hiked the hostages back into the jungle, out of danger, and found another way to release them. The whole thing had been a set up--to hand Chavez a diplomatic disaster, with dead hostages.

I thought it was rather amazing how quickly they acted, and how they got around this treacherous scheme. (Chavez ultimately got six hostages released in this way--despite the clearly bad intentions of the Colombian military. Colombia then gave up that scheme, because it wasn't working. The last thing in the world they had intended was a Chavez diplomatic success--just the opposite. FARC had outsmarted them, and were actually releasing hostages to Chavez--and managing to keep them alive while doing do.)

Anyway, then Colombia said that they had tracked Raul Reyes to his temporary camp inside Ecuador's border (where he was planning to release Ingrid Betancourt and others to French, Spanish and Swiss envoys in Ecuador), by means of high tech US surveillance of Reyes' satellite phone. And now I'm wondering about this as well. And I wondered about it at the time. Would Reyes use a satellite phone, and then remain at that location? It doesn't make sense. He was an experienced guerrilla fighter. He was carefully setting up a "safe" camp, for the further release of hostages (and likely chose the Ecuadoran border because of those earlier bombing attacks on the hostages he was trying to release to Chavez in Venezuela). Then he used a satellite phone? The US/Colombia proceeded to bomb him to smithereens (5 o 10 US "smart bombs," according to the Ecuadoran military), and the 25 people he had with him--including a group of students visiting from Mexico to take part in the humanitarian mission of releasing hostages. And they crossed the border to shoot any survivors in the back. All were asleep (also, according to the Ecuadoran military--they found bodies in their pajamas, shot in the back). So, we have an experienced guerrilla fighter guiding US/Colombian forces to his carefully set up "safe" camp, where everyone was asleep.

It just doesn't add up. Nor did Reyes sending emails through the wide-open servers of the world wide web.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 04:37 PM
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9. Absolutely. It was so completely unbelievable that a man who had lived decades and decades
like this would take such wild, ignorant mistakes. It really DIDN'T add up, did it? It would not have fit the pattern long established already.

Subsuelo reminded DU'ers in another thread of that "nice try" from the Colombian government to claim photos they "found" were from Raul Reyes, when actually they were discovered to have been taken by Colombian intelligence.

One day the whole truth will be publicly known, and these guys are going to be totally discredited. They've probably been hoping that by the time that could happen, they would have all died peacefully in their sleep of old age. Hope they are going to be wildly surprised.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 05:20 PM
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12. BushCo continues to underestimate South American democratic leaders.
Good.

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Bushknew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 01:32 PM
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7. Cortiz has sworn under oath that there were no emails, yet Santos still claims..
Edited on Wed Dec-03-08 01:38 PM by Bushknew
the information from the emails have borne fruit in Spain.

Clearly, the two are not related, he would like it to be. Turns out the Economist is no better than the Enquirer, spreading
lies that they have seen documents that appear to show that Mr Chávez offered the FARC up to $300m and had allocated an oil ration
to the guerrillas from which they could sell for a profit.

It's very rare for these people (the media, United States, EU) to get caught before they act upon their lies.

They are use to spreading their lies on a world wide scale, claim they have actionable intelligence and you know how the rest of this
story ends. I'm sorry, we had bad intelligence.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 04:54 PM
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10. DU'er 'struggle4progress' found they had already leaped ahead with their plan for these 'e-mails,'
and had tried to create a "frame up" for Peruvian political opponents of Bush-backed President Alan Garcia, in this article very recently published:
struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Fri Nov-28-08 10:49 AM
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RIGHTS-PERU: Leftist Leaders Targeted by Anti-Terror Police (IPS)
By Ángel Páez

LIMA, Nov 28 (IPS) - ... Sources with the DIRCOTE anti-terrorism police force told IPS that the content of emails found on the laptop of Reyes -- who was killed in a Colombian bombing raid of a FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) camp just inside the Ecuadorean border in March -- "completed" an ongoing investigation into ties between Peruvian citizens and the FARC ...

But two of the people targeted by DIRCOTE -- the secretary general of the Communist Party of Peru-Red Fatherland (PCP-PR), Alberto Moreno, and the leader of the Peruvian Communist Party-Unity (PCP-U), Renán Raffo -- say the request for arrest warrants is part of a government plan to jail opponents.

The PCP-PR and PCP-U are legal political parties that have even held seats in both houses of Congress at one time or another, and which are registered with the national election authorities ...ies of terrorist organisations," he added.

"It is irresponsible of the government to cite Colombian police sources as the only evidence," <raffo> said. "We have asked to be given access to the documents on which the accusation is based, and the authorities have refused. They won’t even allow us to defend ourselves" ...

http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=44899
More:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=405x10169

~~~~~~~~~~

People should have realized they'd use this stupid scheme against people in other countries, but it's simply TOO DAMNED PERVERTED for most people to even consider!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 01:40 PM
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8. But Chavez supports terrorists! Bush said so!
:)
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 04:57 PM
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11. We all know the value of Bush's words, don't we?


Verily, verily!


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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 09:38 AM
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13. Hmmmm.... nt
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