Concern over giant database idea

[dipsydoodle]

Source: BBC News

The government's terror watchdog has expressed concern about proposals for a giant database to store details of all phone calls, e-mails and internet use.

Lord Carlile told The Independent the "raw idea" was "awful" and called for tight controls on its use.

And the Lib Dem peer warned "it should not be open season" on collecting data, under the mantle of fighting terror.

Home Secretary Jacqui Smith is due to set out her current thinking about the controversial scheme in a speech later.

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7671046.stm

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I wonder where they got this idea from. :sarcasm:

"essential for counter-terrorism and the investigation of crime - and use it to protect the public" is of course a complete load of old bollocks.

[14thColony]

1. Heard about this on Bedfordshire radio on the way in this AM

Something's a little odd. ALL phone calls, emails, texts? The storage capacity required boggles the mind. What's bigger than a terabyte again? Gonna need lots and lots of whatever it is.

I seriously need to start encrypting my emails. PGP already offer secure comms for mobile phones as well, so expect to see more of that.

[dipsydoodle]

2. Your signature line says it all.

If need be they'd use a computer in the USA which could be what this is all about.

They'd need to effectively revanp the Dataprotection Act to do this, and get it through the House of Lords and maybe even the EU legistive body too.

[14thColony]

4. Yes, Franklin was wise even among his contemporaries

I think that, if we are so quick in the face of danger to curtail the very liberties that set us apart then it reveals the ugly truth; that these were never principals which we truly held dear. They were simply flowery words which for us had lost all true meaning, and when pressed we were perfectly willing to abandon the freedom that had always provided our security.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

10. My cousins in England and Wales will not write of politics in letters or emails

...they haven't for the last 6-8 years. In my emails and letters to them, I'd write about the bu$h administration - tell them that I believed the elections were being stolen, etc, and there would be zero response. One told me it was because he believed the government read everything. I think he thought it was the US gov't. I thought he was a tin-foiler, but who knows. Is it just my nutty family, or is this a commonly held belief?

[many a good man]

14. Terabytes, Petabytes and Exabytes

No problem...and 11g has increased storage capacity.

[14thColony]

15. Holy Crap!

Well clearly storage isn't a problem! I'm reluctant to say "but conducting key word searches on all that will be" because I'm afraid you'll introduce me to Deep Thought, IBM's new quantum super computer, with a processor speed of infinity plus 10 percent... :-)

[judasdisney]

3. Nazi history repeats

IBM & The Holocaust. A man, a plan, a database.

http://www.amazon.com/IBM-Holocaust-Edwin-Black/dp/0751531995/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1224066799&sr=8-1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFOydnQxtoA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkoM8RB-kJ0

[New_England_Patriot]

5. Yet another attempt to create Big Brother.

The fact that there have been multiple attempts to create a Big Brother society is scary enough. :scared:

Just like the whole wire-tapping bullshit. -> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VL9W_Zkwdbg
The commanding decider guy said, quote: "I authorize the NSA to intercept the international communications of people with known links to Al Qaeda and related terrorist organizations. <...> The privacy of ordinary Americans is fiercely protected in all our activities. We're not mining, or trolling through the personal lives of millions of innocent Americans. Our efforts are focused on links to Al Qaeda and their known affiliates."

Yet, people are starting to stand up that this statement is a complete lie. "Hey check this out! There's some good phone sex on this line! Listen haha it's funny!!" ...meaning, they ARE mining. They ARE trolling. They STORE AND KEEP the calls they get. And then the fucking chimp gives telecom companies immunity from this illegal bullshit!

Why is this man saying "Oh trust me I'll do the right thing", and then he LIES to the people and tries to put these fucking dystopian measures in place?! Bush is a failure.

[HereSince1628]

6. The BBC had a nice little dramatic series about TIA

The leaders of free nations must have the conviction of
the Bene Gesseret:

Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

[dipsydoodle]

8. Another Dune freak

Welcome ! :hi:

[truthisfreedom]

7. I guess we'll have to come up with new ways to keep them from mining

˙ɐʇɐp sıɥʇ ɟo ןןɐ

[dipsydoodle]

9. This is the listening centre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GCHQ There's no doubt they feed the USA too. The key is "words" both spoken and written and the answer is the use of substitute words as in your example.

My cats are looking as if I've gone daft in the head reading what you wrote upside down. :rofl:

[14thColony]

12. Yes GCHQ and NSA are joined at the hip

they jointly operate RAF Menwith Hill listening post/downlink site in Yorkshire. The Canadian and Australian signals intelligence services are in the same club. New Zealand is a part time member now, having been demoted back a couple of decades.

This isn't tinfoil hat stuff, just reality. A leftover of the Cold War. Please note I'm not talking about 'Carnivore' or anything like that; just run of the mill sharing, which happens 365 days a year.

I have HEARD (but cannot confirm) that, since each country has the same basic "we can't collect on our own citizens" rule, in certain circumstances one country will pass off a request to collect on one of its citizens to another of the four club members, since it's not illegal for the other to collect on a foreigner. Now in the US system possessing said info for over 90 days, regardless of the source, would be a violation of the Presidential Directive on Intelligence Oversight - but you can do a lot in 90 days, assuming IO is even enforced anymore in the deep innards of NSA.

[soothsayer]

11. So cool! How'd you get it upside down?

[tom_paine]

13. It is almost a certainty that the Bushies already have this operational

Britain has "Congressional oversight".

Amerika has a Toady Congress (with a few notable exceptions).

Britan has some semblence of a Free Press.

Amerika has a disgraceful Corporate toady-fest and Celebrity News-a-Thon.

Thus, based on past analysis of Bushie behavior already proven and uncovered (if not punished), I can say with a 99.99999% certainty that if Britain is openly discussing this, meaning the technology has now existed for years -99% certainty.

It also means the Amerika, Russia and China, the Big Three Totalitarian Nations, are almost certainly already doing this...because their tyrannical leaders can and because their tyrannized people cower and allow it.

Amerika, Russia and China all have the same basic form of government: Inverted Totalitarianism.

China is the least Inverted, the most Classical Totalitarian of the Three Sister Totalitarian Nations.

Ameriks is the most Inverted, the least Classical Totalitarian of the Three Sister Totalitarian Nations.

But they are at bottom the same. All three the same.