Palin mistakes fans for protesters at Va. rally

[sabra]

Source: AP

RICHMOND, Va. (AP) — Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin accidentally mistook some of her own fans for protesters Monday.

A massive crowd of at least 20,000 spread across the parking lot of Richmond International Raceway. Many on the outer periphery, more than 100 yards from the stage, couldn't hear.

They started chanting, "Louder! Louder!" Palin thought they were protesters, looked toward them and said, "I hope those protesters have the courage and honor to give veterans thanks for their right to protest."

Some in the crowd had stood in place for more than three hours on a sunny day without shade.

Read more: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h21ZbzgPbTVRftcJPT5vkHkonY5QD93PPVH81

[Barack_America]

1. Heh. Looks like her experiences in Philly have her a bit jumpy...

Hey Sarah....BOO!

[lynnertic]

11. I give up, what happened to her in Philly?

:shrug:

[Patiod]

17. Flyers fans booed her

when she presented the winner of a "Hockey Mom" contest that rightwing tool and Flyers-owner Ed Snider dreamed up.

[Barack_America]

21. She was also protested mercilessly everywhere she went.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7426450

:evilgrin:

[Lautremont]

16. They weren't saying "Boo."

They were saying "Boo-urns."

[Coventina]

19. LOL!

:thumbsup:

[BrklynLiberal]

2. She is such an ignorant, evil twit.

[John Q. Citizen]

3. That's funny!

[aquart]

4. Sarah Palin, Joan of Arc for the lunatic fringe.

Where will she lead them, I wonder?

[liberalhistorian]

49. She's like Evita without the intelligence

and depth, and the hateful pitchfork-waving lunatics are her "descamisados." Truly frightening.

[NJCher]

5. even when she gets it right, she gets it wrong

Manages to draw a crowd, chastises them.



Cher

[lynnertic]

13. .

good one
:applause:

[Rabrrrrrr]

6. I hate that phrase - vets haven't given us any rights. The Constitution guarantees them.

We The People decided that we ALL have an INHERENT right to protest (and all those other rights the Constitution guarantees).

It was not "given" to us by anyone or by any document.

I wish the Republicans would stop that blathering bullshit line, especially about how it's "veterans" and "soldiers" who give us the right to protest/free speech/wank off in our bathrooms/whatever.

[CitizenPatriot]

10. it's Fascism...cloaked in the Flag as they warn on Wiki.

that damn liberal wiki.

yes, when I listen to her speech, it nauseates me.

SELL OUT. LIAR. CON ARTIST. KULT LEADER. WOLF KILLER

[14thColony]

18. As a current member of the US military

I agree with you 100 percent!

I am so utterly sick of that line. As you say, it is in the Constitution, and the Constitution alone, that We The People gave OURSELVES all our current rights. We The People are the source of all sovereign power, but I fear that this out-of-control adoration (borderline worship by some) of the military could presage a dangerous shift in the source of sovereignty.

I think what they mean is something more like "soldiers have DEFENDED our right to (fill in blank)" but even that is BS. When was the last time the US military fought a foreign enemy intent on our conquest on American soil? Never. One can argue that WWII could have gotten to that point without our involvement, but that would be just about the only realistic example, and even that's a hypothetical.

[Zhade]

27. This is such a refreshingly honest assessment from a soldier - I salute you for it!

:patriot:

[harris8]

35. K & R

... and thank you for your service, 14thColony!

[mac56]

37. You rock.

Thanks.

[Indenturedebtor]

46. War of 1812 I think :P n/t

[14thColony]

52. See #51. Not a war of conquest.

Britain only intended to punish us over Canada, not invade and re-take us. Most Americans never even saw a British soldier, because there were so few actually sent over.

The point is not merely one of semantics or pedantry. At no point in US history has our military been in a fight for the survival of the United States itself, which would be what it would take to truly have credit for having actually defended the freedoms of American citizens. It is an integral part of our military psyche, but a cursory review of history shows it has never happened.

I stand by my original comments.

[tabasco]

48. Revolutionary War. War of 1812. Civil War.

Study some history.

Sincerely,

A fellow vet.

[14thColony]

51. I have, extensively

In fact I have taught it.

Revolutionary War - no foreign enemy involved as we were all British subjects on both sides. Britain was not intent on our conquest, as they already owned us; they were using armed force to put down an insurrection, they were not invading a foreign sovereign country. We were intent on breaking away from their sovereignty, hence the term 'revolutionary war' or 'war of independence.' No foreigners, no 'conquest.'

War of 1812 - Britain was at no time interested in our conquest. Not even a consideration. They only sent adequate forces to mount punishment raids and revenge attacks for the US invasion of Canada and the burning of York. British forces were inadequate to take and HOLD even one US city, mainly due to prior obligations in the Napoleonic Wars. Foreigners, but no attempt at conquest.

American Civil War - again, no foreign enemy involved, unless you count my ancestors as the 'foreign enemy.' Civil wars are, by definition, wars between the same people within the confines of a single nation-state. The Confederacy never at any time intended to conquer and rule the North. Not even a consideration. No foreigners, no attempt at conquest.

[Rabrrrrrr]

59. War of 1812 was addressed just above. The Civil War was not a war

to "grant" us freedoms, either. Had the north simply let the south secede, there would have been no loss of freedom in the US. At no point were the rights and freedoms of the United States under threat, excepting that, once the north decided to invade the south, there was the possibility of the south winning and forcing the north to, ummmmmmm, just remain the north and go on as always.

The military in that instance did nothing for guaranteeing or granting us freedom - what they did was pound the south into submission so that the United States could be re-united.

Perhaps you could read some history.

As to the Revolutionary War, that one could possibly be considered the one time that the military helped "grant" us freedoms - however, the truth is, the founding fathers still thought that those freedoms and rights were INHERENT in all human beings (at least, white human beings), and we were fighting so that those INHERENT rights would finally be allowed to flourish.

Remember, the bill of rights doesn't begin "We grant people the right of free speech" - it says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

That is, it says that the government cannot infringe on rights that are INHERENT in all human beings.

Even the Constitution doesn't grant us freedoms - it recognizes that we have them for the simple reason that we are human beings.

(Also, as to the Revolutionary War, one could also make counter argument that, since there was no United States at that point, those military men weren't actually defending or granting anything to any US citizen - it's a semantic issue, but an important distinction to make, I think)

[14thColony]

68. This is extremely well-said

You state it in a way I've never really thought about it - that the Constitution simply removed and forever forbade any undue limitations to the inherent rights and liberties of man, without actually granting any of those itself, since it could not grant what man is already 'endowed by his Creator' with. Therefore the Constitution is merely the recognition and enshrinement into human law of what is already a priori granted by Natural Law.

How very Enlightenment of them! Could you imagine having a debate involving dozens of people who were all that intelligent, that well-read, and that grounded in nuances of political philosophy? Could we even find so many people today without having to recruit every professor of Constitutional law from every university?

Now if you'll indulge some serious pedantry for a moment:

The American Civil War can't be classified as a civil war at all! It was actually a failed Second American Revolutionary War, a failed war of seccession/independence. For a conflict to be a 'civil war,' two or more factions within the same political unit must be vying for control over the entire political unit. Since the Southern states declared independence, they no longer saw themselves as part of their former political unit, and had no intentions of trying to seize power over it - taking Washington so as to rule the US as a single unit was never on the agenda, therefore not a civil war.

[Rabrrrrrr]

61. Thank you very much! I did not, of course, mean to disparage the military at all,

(which disparagement you made no mention of - I only include that line now because I forgot to add it to my first post to keep people from thinking that, since I believe in truth and fact, I therefore must hate the military, which accusation is entirely untrue).

I agree with you that there is no point in our history that the military has ever actually and technically defended this country from invasion or attack. We kind of did against the Japanese in WWII, but, for fuck's sake, let's be honest even though the fuckers bombed Pearl Harbor, there was no goddamn chance in hell they would ever actually attack on US soil; certainly never successfully.

[14thColony]

69. Yes, I have noticed here at DU;

that clarifying facts about X automatically means you either completely support X or completely oppose X, not that you might merely wish X to be presented in a factual manner.

I never thought for a moment you were disparaging the military, although even if you had there is no crime in that, and as a member of the community of citizens from which the state derives its sovereignty, you would have an unassailable right to do exactly that. In effect, you're the boss so you can criticize all you want.

The Founders never meant for us to have a standing military (army at least) at all, many considering a standing army a dangerous threat to liberty. We've managed to prevent that for two centuries now, but just because it has always been so does not mean it will always be so.

Personally I think the US military is too big, too widely deployed across the globe, and way too well-funded.

On the Japanese attacking US territory in WWII...I'm just waiting for someone to metion Kiska and Attu in the Alaska Territory. Hey, could Palin use that as foreign policy experience?

[OswegoAtheist]

29. I disagree!

I spent four years filing paperwork and establishing communications on a sub-tropical island in the Pacific, specifically so that Americans of all makes and models can masturbate in their bathrooms. So next time you're rubbing one out, think of a veteran.

Oswego "I always think of Patton" Atheist

[KSDiva]

33. And my husband counted nuts and bolts in a warehouse...

so that I could say that Palin is a stoopid cow. Wow, so glad he wore a uniform and gave me that right!

(Air Force, by the way, slipped in and out between Gulf Wars. Which is good, since he's a pacifist who just needed money for college.)

[Aviation Pro]

43. And how was Okinawa?

....and here's a salute in your direction. Thank you for your service.

[MetaTrope]

56. Oh sure, just try that in the Minneapolis airport!

:hide:

[Rabrrrrrr]

58. Hah! We all know that because of Obama's anti-self-pleasuring legislation

that the right you gave us has been taken away, just like he'll take away our right to be anything but a Shiite Muslim.

:D

Seriously, though, thank you for your service. Whether it's driving a tank, pushing papers, or storming the beaches of Normandy, or serving the peace corps, diplomatic corps, or Americorps, all service for one's nation is honorable.

:thumbsup:

[bluedeminredstate]

40. Thank you.

You took the words right out of my mouth. I hate when they pull that bullshit about vets providing our freedoms.
Why do they hate the Constitution? Why do they hate America?

[tblue]

7. SP has the political finesse of a cow pie.

Dumb as a stump.

[Doctor_J]

64. You probably mean moose pie

She's dumber than*

[cui bono]

8. The plan is working...

paranoia has set in.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!! :evilgrin:

[Ian David]

9. "Louder! Louder!" sounds a lot like "Loser! Loser!" I suppose. n/t

[K8-EEE]

12. BWA!!!! HAHAHAHAHA!

That is hilarious!

[bertman]

14. "I hope those protesters have the courage and honor to give veterans thanks for their right

to protest while surrounded by hundreds of helmeted police in full riot gear armed with tasers, tear gas, truncheons and automatic weapons, and directed by the Department of Fatherland Security, who are about to round them up into small groups, mace them repeatedly, slam them to the ground and patriotically beat the piss out of them while singing the Star Spangled Banner."

Gawd bless 'Merka.

[Ashy Larry]

15. Another day, another FAIL

[Kalifornia.Kid]

20. Bit Her Own Ass, again.

[SteveM]

22. The enemies list re-cycling itself!

[tonyj1600]

23. Wow, Sarah Palin in New Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1exiyBYnJ00
so true

[BlueKansan]

24. LOUDER?? ACK!

Who in their right mind would EVER want that harpie to talk louder? Oh, that's right, these were Palin supporters...

[pleah]

25. Maybe Satan Sara was hearing what she wanted to hear.

:rofl:

[NoodleyAppendage]

26. Aren't those same veterans fighting for a woman's right to choose?? Separation of church & state??

If they are fighting for free speech rights, then they are also fighting for a woman's right to self-determination and reproductive rights. They are also fighting to keep church and state separate and prevent theocratic rule.

But, those rights don't fit into your christofascist playbook do they, Sarah??

I would love to have access to a mike at one of her Third Reich rallies and go at this woman for 5 minutes.

J

[14thColony]

55. Same mentality that allows a pick-n-choose approach to the Bible

Old Testament: love it all! Especially killing gays and witches (and secretly adore the part about owning slaves)!

New Testament: love Jesus, ignore what Jesus said - being kind, turning the other cheek, living a life of poverty, giving to the poor until you are also poor...soooooooooo inconvenient - best to ignore it! But love Jesus!

[DFW]

28. You are all being so unfairly hard on her

There was nobody yelling for Obama to be killed, so
there was no indication whatsoever that they were on
her side. How was she to know?

[Demit]

30. oh snap. very good!

[OakCliffDem]

31. It was Palin's handlers fault because she isn't smart enough to even know what day of the week it is

[PfcHammer]

32. Bonehead. Bwahahaha

:rofl:

[RFKHumphreyObama]

34. You know at least Dan Quayle was entertaining

Sarah's just painful to watch

[Blue Gardener]

36. And painful to listen to

Ugh, that voice makes my ears bleed.

[Zambero]

38. "Just keep it up #@$%!!# protesters! I'll have your JOBS!!"

oh, never mind. i'm just a sweet lovable hockey mom afterall..

[OwnedByFerrets]

39. FUB....the Constitution GUARANTEE'S me the right to protest....

I'm tired of having IDIOTS running for elected office.

[Wizard777]

41. Will Palin call her son to thank him for fighting for her right to be stupid?

[Solly Mack]

42. What an idiot

[Plucketeer]

44. Sarah Pinhead

What a dolt!

[krkaufman]

45. Did I miss the part of Sarah Palin's bio that lists HER military service?

She must have served, right, to be speaking for the troops?

[Raine]

47. Even if they were protesters what would thanking

a veteran have to do with anything regarding protesting her? :shrug:

[SalmonChantedEvening]

50. Harold Stassen just won 3000 votes. n/t

[bulloney]

53. "I hope those protesters have the courage and honor to give veterans thanks for their right

to protest."

That's her canned line whenever someone's heckling her from the audience.

That woman's about as spontaneous as the formation of a rock.

[VeggieTart]

54. Maybe she's just paranoid

But she certainly didn't appreciate "the soldiers" fighting for her freedom when she was palling around with secessionists.

[LynnTheDem]

57. Dear dumb sarah; it`s the US CONSTITUION, darlin`.

That`s what gives all of us the `right to protest`.

Dumb as moose shit, aintcha.

[quiet.american]

60. Simpleton, thy name is truly Sarah. nt

[greeneyedboy]

62. just like she mistook the Troopergate report for exoneration & support of earmarks as opposition

[JI7]

63. she is a fucking idiot, Crowds at Obama Rallies always do that

yell out for him to speak louder, they did it in 2004 with Kerry also and many other events .

dumb ignorant fuckwad.

[antonialee839]

65. What a

jackass. Thanks me.

[and-justice-for-all]

66. 20,000 ? I doubt that...nt

[Kool Kitty]

67. Sarah and McCain have to stop smoking that McCrack.

Makes them paranoid.

[struggle4progress]

70. The ditz hits the fans

[minnesota_liberal]

71. Why would it take courage to give veterans thanks?

It's like the RepubliCons only have a vocabulary of 50 words and catch phrases. Freedom, honor, courage, victory, success, honor, blah-blah-blah.

[harun]

72. Don't expect anything they say to make sense.

They don't have critical thinking skills.