OJ Simpson Verdict: Guilty on all 12 counts - taken into custody

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Source: CNN

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Beardsley co defendent guilty on 12 counts

Simpson guilty on 12 counts also



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1. preliminary story

From Paul Vercammen
CNN Senior Producer


LAS VEGAS, Nevada (CNN) -- The jury has reached a verdict in O.J. Simpson's armed robbery and kidnapping trial in Las Vegas, Nevada, a defense lawyer and a court official said Friday.


The jury reached the verdict 13 years to the day O.J. Simpson was acquitted of two murders.

Simpson arrived at the Clark County Justice Center at around 10:50 p.m. (1:50 a.m. Saturday ET). The verdicts were expected to be read once all of the lawyers and defendants arrived in the courtroom.

The jury of nine men and three women, none of them African-American, began deliberations Friday after hearing from 22 witnesses over 12 days of testimony. Chief among the witnesses were seven of the nine people inside Room 1203 of the Palace Station Hotel and Casino for the September 13, 2007 confrontation.

The evidence included testimony from the two dealers, four co-defendants who cut plea deals and cooperated with prosecutors and hours of often-profane, crackling, secretly recorded audiotapes.

[grantcart]

2. taken into custody tonight

minumum sentence 15 years

middle road would likely be the rest of his life in jail

[opihimoimoi]

3. Justice comes a bit late but is welcomed nevertheless

:toast:

He was cuffed and led away to a cell somewhere....he will be wearing ORANGE....of the JUICE Shade....Bwahahahaha

[SemperEadem]

4. but he isnt' serving for murder

still isn't justice.

[Alexander]

5. If he spends the rest of his days in prison, what's the difference?

His own hubris was going to get the best of him, it was just a question of when.

[silverojo]

6. Serving time is serving time

Prison time doesn't feel any different, depending on the count that got you sentenced. ;)

[Wizard777]

25. Yes he is. It's not what he was convicted of. But it's what he's serving time for.

The jury knows it too. That's why they couldn't look him in the eyes.

[JeanGrey]

127. Nonsense. There was plenty of evidence. Granted, not the

TON of evidence they had against him at the murder trial, but this was an easy verdict. His own mouth convicted him. It was only a matter of time - he's a sociopath. Sooner or later it was bound to happen.

[marshall]

114. I think his actions are an extension of getting off for murder

He felt invulnerable to the law.

I've tried to find out if any of his four children attended the trial. The last I heard of his younger daughter was her calling 911 on him, and then recanting once the police got there.

[nomorenomore08]

137. My grandmother said much the same thing earlier today.

After all, if you've already gotten away with a brutal, bloody double homicide, what's to stop you from perpetrating a relatively lesser crime like armed robbery? As someone stated upthread, O.J. seems to be a plain and simple sociopath - combine that with an ego as big as his, and the result shouldn't be surprising.

[marshall]

196. Capone didn't serve for murder either, he served for tax evasion

Sometimes you gotta make do with what you can do.

[BklnDem75]

33. Now to shift our outrage to Robert Blake

We're coming for you Baretta!

[alcibiades_mystery]

117. 8 years for shoplifting for Blake!

That'll teach him for offing his wife!

[melody]

126. I don't think Blake did it

The DA didn't even want to arrest him because they weren't sure. The LAPD wanted to bag a celebrity.

There's just as much evidence that Christian Brando had the woman killed (and he even had a history
of handgun violence).

[chimpymustgo]

40. This was a complete set-up of Simpson. Nobody should take pleasure in this.

It's a miscarriage of justice.

[closeupready]

88. Well I'm happy about it.

n/t

[BklnDem75]

95. I know you are...

Somehow I doubt the same level outrage would be received for Robert Blake.

[Th1onein]

99. YOU BET IT WAS!

The memorabilia dealers set him up. This is WRONG, what has been done to O.J. Simpson. Entrapments, pure and simple.

I don't care whether you believe that he killed Nicole and Goldman or not. This is a travesty of justice and should never even have been brought to court.

[rocktivity]

187. Set him up how? By forcing him to hire armed muscle?

THAT'S why I can't feel sorry for him.

:headbang:
rocknation

[marshall]

116. Same as getting Al Capone for income tax fraud

Getting off for murder made Capone think he was above the law--including the laws for paying taxes. They couldn't get him for the big stuff so they went after the little stuff.

[JeanGrey]

128. After he butchered two people I don't know how anyone can

say "miscarriage of justice" with a straight face.

[Spouting Horn]

140. So, OJ's buddies

brought guns into the meeting, and wielded them in a demand for goods, and OJ had *no idea* they were going to do that?

[Scairp]

189. Prediction

He will, at the very least, get a new trial. Several of the jurors admitted having a preexisting bias against him after the trial was over, plus none of them were black. Verdict will be overturned and he will get another trial.

[Joe the Revelator]

7. Damn, MINUMUM of 15 years? For armed robbery? Did he even shoot a gun?

Thats harsh, he deserves that and more, but damn...

[LisaL]

8. Those poor armed robbers. They got it so bad.

LOL.

[depakid]

9. It was clear from the start that he wasn't being charged or tried for the conduct in this case

[Codeine]

11. The poor, poor man.

My heart weeps. :sarcasm:

[depakid]

14. Exactly

The officers (per testimony) and the prosecutors (who over charged) and the jury all felt that way.

[JeanGrey]

21. OJ is a sociopath. It was only a matter of time

before he did something else to get caught. Justice at last.

[Joe the Revelator]

12. I'm not saying that, what I am saying is that rapists are murderers have gotten less time

[AngryAmish]

198. Armed robbery is a serious crime and has to be deterred

We don't want fools robbing people with guns. People get killed that way.

[Codeine]

10. The real hits are the kidnapping charges.

Five-year minimum sentencing on both.

[Joe the Revelator]

13. ah...see this makes sense.

[rocktivity]

20. I'm glad the jury understood that kidnapping doesn't have to involve

physically removing someone from a premises and holding him for ransom.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Wizard777]

29. Usually you have to move the person against their will. This was false imprisonment.

If you take into account that OJ was acting in a law enforcement capacity. He is entitled to the protection of sworn officers while making a citizens arrest. Which means he cannot be charged with false imprisonment or kidnapping for detaining the suspect.

[rocktivity]

75. Well, If the memorabilia was indeed legally his

then he SHOULD have bought "sworn officers" with him.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Wizard777]

82. OJ has an adversion to the police that I can understand.

I debate Police corruption on other boards. Real cops are part of those debates. I'll tell you the same thing I tell them. Once you have been the victim of police corruption. You will never ever look at ANY cop the same way again. I've seen it happen to many times.

[customerserviceguy]

97. Yes, much better for him

to take armed thugs with who could be flipped with plea bargains. I guess he won't do that again, will he?

[JeanGrey]

130. And what "corruption" was OJ a victim of? Aren't you confusing

the "victim" with his wife, Nicole? You know the one who called the cops time and again and stood there while they got autographs from OJ?

[Evergreen Emerald]

138. that is not true. The evidence showed that he was buddies

with the cops who helped him get away with domestic violence on a regular basis. They were his friends.

[Critters2]

145. Police corruption! Poor OJ!

:rofl:

[rocktivity]

186. And I am shocked--SHOCKED!!!--that those gunsels chose to rat out OJ

rather than bend over and "take one for the team!"

:headbang:
rocknation

[rocktivity]

92. The warrant says that OJ "...did willfully, unlawfully,

feloniously, and without authority of law...CONFINE...(the victims)...with the intent to hold or detain (them) against (their) will and without (their) consent, for the purpose of committing robbery..." In Nevada, at least, that qualifies as kidnapping.

link

:headbang:
rocknation

[JeanGrey]

129. Are you kidding? LOL

A law enforcement officer?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[pnwmom]

15. Weren't there some kidnapping charges, too? n/t

[electron_blue]

78. Yes. If you're going to take something, make sure nobody is around when it happens.

Or the time you do is significantly increased.

[Wizard777]

28. He didn't have a gun. The guys that did have the guns got plea bargins.

Usually they would offer someones in OJ's position a plea bargin to testify that they had guns. Not offer the guys with guns plea bargins to testify that OJ told them to bring them. Which he says he didn't. Who cares if did? That's right up there with Ozzy made me to do it. I guess they better hope that OJ doesn't tell them to blow their brains out. Because with his mind bending evil powers. They're goners if he does. They have to do everything OJ says to do.

[rocktivity]

76. He organized the "raid," and if bringing guns was part of the plan

then he was indeed a full-fledged accomplice.

:headbang:
rocknation

[BklnDem75]

124. No guns were recovered.

All you have is the owner saying someone mentioned a gun.

[rocktivity]

147. They weren't caught red-handed, were they?

And just "mentioning" a gun in hopes of scaring someone into not trying to leave is more than enough!

:headbang:
rocknation

[BklnDem75]

157. More than enough for what? Kidnapping?

Hearsay doesn't fly in any court. Oh! I forgot! This is OJ!

[rocktivity]

166. Lies SHOULDN'T fly in any court

Maybe the jury just decided that the guns were disposed of--which is, of course, entirely possible.

:headbang:
rocknation

[BklnDem75]

178. Cool! So the jury are detectives now!

I see a new round of layoffs coming!

Maybe they should stick to judgments based on evidence. :eyes:

[JonLP24]

136. It's because of the kidnapping charge

[Critters2]

144. I think it was the kidnapping charge that really lowered the boom.

When people want to leave a room, you should let them. It's simple courtesy.

[JI7]

16. he thought if he could get away with murder then.......

[Wizard777]

30. No the Nevada police refused to do anything about his stolen property.

[JeanGrey]

131. He never contacted the Nevada police about his "stolen"

property, and it wasn't STOLEN. It belonged to the Goldman's. OJ lost it from storing it and not paying the bill as I understand and the facility contents were sold.

[rocktivity]

17. Did the memorabilia in question legally belong to him

or had it been awarded to and sold by the Goldman family?

:shrug:
rocknation

[Wizard777]

27. It was his property. I'm surprised Fred hasn't sued for it. But he's probably behind the set up.

[Critters2]

148. What a hateful thing to say. The man's son was murdered in as brutal a way as possible.

A court of law found OJ responsible and awarded damages. Goldman had every right to try to receive the damages awarded.

[Wizard777]

151. I can't stand Fred Crocodile tears Goldman.

The water works were just an act put on for the cameras. One camera crew actually exposed that. They caught him outside talking to one of his lawyers. Then when he saw the camera he starting walking over to it getting the old water works going. The closer he got to the camera. The harder he cried. I haven't liked him since then. He's a big phoney. Other parents have lost their children to horrible murders. Fred's the only one I've seen cry for the cameras on cue for a damned year or more.

[Critters2]

190. Until you've lost a child to a brutal murder, you're not in a position to judge.

Your priority, apparently, is defending a murderer. Given that, you have no business judging other people's honor.

[Wizard777]

197. He was aquited and your talking to me about judgements of anykind.

What good is it to make or not make judgements if no one respects them? Fred is so phoney. At one point he had me totally convinced the real killer was him. But now I believe it was Jason.

[rocktivity]

188. If he stored the property to "hide" it from the court ruling that gave it to the Goldmans

and in addition didn't pay the storage bill, it DEFINITELY wasn't his property!

:rofl:
rocknation

[Wizard777]

199. Beardsley contacted Goldman about the stuff.he was uninterested in it.

[JeanGrey]

210. I don't believe that. But let's say you are right.

OJ really screwed up then, didn't he? LOL

[JeanGrey]

209. Yup! That is exactly what he did. Don't you just love it?

Fell on his own sword.

[JeanGrey]

207. It wasn't "his" property. He hid the stuff in a storage locker

in his mother's name and the rent on the locker wasn't paid. Guess what happens then? Apparently it was auctioned off and therefore ended up with the memorabilia dealers.

He was trying to hide it from the Goldman's. It was legally THEIRS.

[Raine]

18. FINALLY justice catches up with him nt

[LisaL]

19. Karma is a bitch.

[Wizard777]

31. Karma hasn't even come into this yet. But it will.

[greyghost]

22. OJ should have pulled a Claus von Bulow, but his ego wouldn't

allow it. As Paul Newman said in "The Life & Times of Judge Roy Bean";
"justice prevails."

Karma is indeed a bitch.

[Frank Cannon]

72. I think that if I were falsely accused of brutally murdering two people...

and then found "not guilty", I would be a sweet little angel for the rest of my life. I mean, I wouldn't even throw a dropped french fry out of the car window in fear of attracting the local constabulary.

Guess O.J. felt different. Sucks to be him.

[pipi_k]

90. Arrogance

caught up with him.

And rightly so, I think, although arrogance isn't a crime...

whether those things really belonged to him or not...and I have to admit I did wonder in the beginning, but realized it didn't matter...he had no right to take the law into his own hands.

People with more brains than arrogance go to the police to report it stolen and recover the items. I guess he never did learn that this isn't...or shouldn't be...a nation of "do it yourself" laws.


So yep...I agree with you wholeheartedly

After lucking out the first time, he should have thanked his lucky stars and been on his BEST behavior the rest of his days.

I'm glad he's been found guilty. Let's see if he can behave himself behind bars.

[JeanGrey]

132. He hasn't been behaving himself. Remember the guy in

traffic who he stormed over and snatched the sunglasses off the guy's face? Plus the cops have been to his house on domestic abuse charges several times with his new girlfriend Christine Prody and his daughter once. He never learns.

[Haole Girl]

86. A big ego will get a person every time

Ironic, isn't it, that he might have gotten away with murder if he could have just let go of his football memorabilia.

It just boggles the mind to think of the irony here.

[obiwan]

23. This proves the existence of Karma.

What you sow, so shall ye reap.

[Wizard777]

26. Set ups aren't Karma.

[Baby Snooks]

35. Set ups?

Here we go again. OJ Simpson. The poster boy for the oppressed minorities. I wonder if minorities realize he is really the wrong poster boy.

[BklnDem75]

36. It's always been standard procedure...

to get the guys with the guns to cop pleas for no jail time so they can nail the unarmed guy. :eyes:

[chimpymustgo]

39. "Oppressed minorities"??? Well we know where you're coming from. Go back.

[goclark]

41. Are you putting all minorities into your comment?

I happen to be African American and there are a variety of opinions about OJ in our community.

I for one thought he was guilty in the 1st case, have not followed this case.

Please don't lump us in a box.
Thank you

[Wizard777]

84. I'm as white as any one person can be. I think OJ is innocent of the murders.

The murders were commited by a J Simpson. But not OJ Simpson. It was his son Jason that murdered Ron & Nicole. You can even use the time of death as established by the coroner in that case. Not Marcia Clarks crazy melted ice cream theory. But if you use the cornoners established time of death. No way OJ could have done it. He would have been caught red handed a couple of different times.

[JeanGrey]

133. NO. DNA doesn't lie. His son had nothing to do with it.

[Wizard777]

139. They've never done a 6 point match. It can be OJ's or Jasons.

Only the 6 point match can tell exactly who's it is. Besides there are possible crime scene contaminations with OJ's blood.

[JeanGrey]

149. Where were you during the trial? The DNA was matched.

It could not have been Jason's. There was not one iota of proof that Jason was involved and in fact liked Nicole.

DNA doesn't lie! Do you think the defense would have brought this up? The defense STIPULATED it WAS OJ's blood. Case closed.

[Wizard777]

150. They only did a 5 point match. 6 point is the minimum for exact match.

It is a match. But not an exact match. If the defense is trying to help OJ cover for Jason. Then yes they would say that. There is also the possibility of crime scene contamination with OJ's Blood. Van Atter took OJ's blood to the crime scene. That never should have happened.

[JeanGrey]

152. No, OJ's blood was a perfect match to the blood found.

Jason was a chef and was working that night. He had an air tight alibi and his boss and coworkers testified to the police this fact. He had no reason to kill Nicole as he liked her. Plus you still don't understand - the defense STIPULATED the blood was OJ's. Why in the world would they do this if it were not? Don't you know how damning this is?

Suspicion of tampering? How? The blood evidence had been photographed, collected, packaged, and was in the criminologists van before Simpson gave his blood sample.

It's HIS blood at the murder scene.....no possible way for it to get there except dripped from his cut hand.......his blood in his Bronco (his son wasn't driving his Bronco) as well as both victims blood and his blood on his drive up and into his front door. Not his sons blood....HIS blood. He has a rare blood type and his DNA was an exact match.

Another thing that wasn't allowed in the criminal trial. The fibers collected from the victims and murder scene and cap.....were from the carpet of Simpson's Bronco......a special edition Bronco....carpet made especially for that edition....and only 30 made.

Jason was working.....didn't drive Simpson's Bronco.....no body ever suggested he did. Simpson said he was driving it that night.he

The defense had no interest in Jason at all because there was no evidence he was involved. Had there been, believe me they would have used it.

You have to remember the defense AND OJ stipulated it was his blood and the dna proved it.

[JeanGrey]

208. Now you are saying that OJ's defense, the dream team,

was helping OJ get convicted for Jason? Are you for real? ROTFLMAO. Jason had no motive and no opportunity, and it wasn't his blood. The defense AND OJ stipulated it WAS OJ's blood and DNA testing bore that out. OJ had a rare blood type.

ALL of the blood at the crime scene was collected before OJ's blood was. End of story.

[Wizard777]

80. Both Beardsley and Fromong have connections to Goldman.

Beardsley was even trying to make a deal with Goldman on the OJ items he had in his possession. Fromong testified for Goldman in the civil trial.

[chimpymustgo]

162. Thank you Wizard, for knowing what you're talking about. Too many white people lost their MINDS

over O.J. Simpson. As I said earlier, I watched everyday of the trial. OJ didn't kill those people - my guess is Jason, as well. It was astonishing how much police and prosecutorial malfeasance there was. And the jury didn't buy their bullshit. No way could OJ have been convicted based on the evidence. But that didn't stop the media from playing its usual lying game - and the public from falling for it.

Now they cheer this miscarriage of justice - sounding like fucking freepers.

[JeanGrey]

212. Miscarriage of justice? The only miscarriage was the first

jury. There were tons of evidence against OJ enough to convict ten men. Jason had no motive and no opportunity to kill Nicole. He LIKED her. He was a chef and was at work on duty when the murders were committed as was testified to by his co workers and his own boss. I guess they were in on it too!

The blood found at the crime scene was stipulated by the Defense and by OJ himself that it was in fact, his blood, and DNA bore this out. That alone is incredibly damning (to a real jury).

OJ had cuts on his hand. He was dripping blood the same time the murders were committed. His shoes were matched, his big size 12 or 13's and the fact that he is pigeon toed. There were tons of fiber and blood evidence found. No tampering was possible for three reasons: One, ALL of the blood evidence at the scene was collected before samples were taken from OJ, Two, had that been possible (which it wasn't) NONE of the blood had EDTA in it the preservative, and Three, to believe a conspiracy happened you would have to believe that 20 or so cops all coming there at the same time instantly decided to frame OJ for murder all at once and everyone was in on it. Not very likely. Fuhrman was the 16th cop at the scene so you can rule that out.

When OJ was told his ex wife was murdered he knew WHICH ex wife. He told a passenger on the plane coming back from Chicago that a young man was murdered as well, when no one had told him that.

I won't even go into the abuse, the bronco chase, and all the rest.

Truly one of the worst cases of juror negligence probably in history.

[JeanGrey]

205. And I heard that Cook the Goldman's family attorney will

be seizing the eighty cents or so OJ will make in prison. OUTSTANDING.

[jb5150]

24. Far be it from me to dispute the verdict

and I did not sit on the jury or watch the televised portions of it....but has anyone considered what the reaction will be from the African American community?

[tekisui]

42. I don't think that is a real concern at all.

[BklnDem75]

96. Most of us knew people would find a way to set OJ up.

It was just a matter of time.

OJ - Outrage
Robert Blake - No outrage

Bonds - Outrage
Clemens - No outrage


As displayed on these very boards. No surprises.

[Th1onein]

100. Don't use too wide a brush, brother.

I think this was a setup. And, I'm a Caucasian female.

[BklnDem75]

101. Never said everyone.

I was speaking of the great majority. I know what your stance is and appreciate that you see this for the travesty that it is.

[JeanGrey]

213. OJ doesn't carry the weight he once did.

So much has come out about the trial and all the evidence in 13 years. People wise up.

[msanthrope]

160. What reaction do you think the African-American Community will

have?

I'll be amused to hear it, no doubt.....

[Pavulon]

169. Chris Rock

will have some great material. Not about race, about money.

It just caught up with him. Orenthal the bus driving murdered (rock standup)

[formercia]

32. Thinking with your dick will get you busted.

No more Golf for you.

[Ian David]

34. O.J. SImpson Simpson Simpson's going to jail jail jail! n/t

[RBInMaine]

37. GOOD ! THROW THE BOOK AT THIS MURDERING ASSHOLE ! LOCK HIM UP FOR LIFE !

[Algorem]

38. So the real killer is in the Nevada prison system somewhere and

OJ got himself arrested tried and convicted so he can get in there and get him. What a guy! What. A. Guy.

[cobalt1999]

43. Great news.

Hopefully he'll be killed by a knife in prison and justice will be complete.

[Bennyboy]

44. O.J. Jury has reached a verdict

Source: .yahoo.com/

The jury in the O.J. Simpson case has reached a verdict. They expect the announcement with an hour....

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081004/ap_on_re_us/oj_simpson

[CaliforniaPeggy]

45. OK...I'll check back in a bit.

[cal04]

46. Las Vegas jury reaches verdict in Simpson case

not saying what it is yet
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081004/ap_on_re_us/oj_simpson

and here
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27010657/

[LisaL]

47. In the middle of the night?

What, the jury was pulling an all-nighter?

[Duer 157099]

55. Guess they wanted to be home for the weekend?

Or, more likely, thought the date-matching was cute. I don't think it's cute, it actually reeks of manipulation, just what OJ needs to file some sort of appeal.

[Seldona]

48. Wow, did that take me back a decade or so.

I know, outside of politics I might as well be living under a rock, but what is this about? I sincerely hoped I would never hear the words OJ and jury in the same sentence again.

[Bennyboy]

49. Today is the 13th anniversary of his aquittal on the other case

And I find it hard to believe that you do not know about this one. He allegedly robbed some people, at gunpoint, in a Vegas Hotel for his stolen memorabilia.... weird twisted case too...

[LisaL]

54. Since he is found guilty, I don't think you have to say allegedly

no more. LOL.

[bluestateguy]

50. He needs to be free so he can continue looking for the real killer

nt

[jamesatemple]

74. Right!

Out on the golf course! Those suckers hide behind the "porta-potties".

[Critters2]

146. Apparently, the real killer is in prison in Nevada.

And OJ is closing in on him.

[ourbluenation]

51. GUILTY on all counts so far.

wow.

[Bennyboy]

52. Gulty 12 counts......

That should really put a crimp in his golf game....

[LisaL]

53. Unless they play golf in jail.

:shrug:

[uppityperson]

56. BBC link. Good. About time.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7652206.stm
OJ Simpson has been found guilty on 12 charges of armed robbery, conspiracy to kidnap and assault with a deadly weapon by a court in the US city of Las Vegas.

The former US football star and actor was accused of robbing two sports memorabilia dealers a year ago.

The armed robbery charges carry a mandatory jail sentence, and kidnapping carries a possible life term.

[RBInMaine]

57. GOOD ! SOME JUSTICE FOR A VISCIOUS CRIMINAL FINALLY ! TO JAIL WITH THIS SCUMBAG !

[napi21]

58. OJ verdict

Source: CNN

Jurror #3 is the foreperson. Verdict is guilty!

No link yet.

[nadinbrzezinski]

59. MSNBC is also carrying

he will be going to the pokey for a long time

[speedoo]

61. 13 years, to the day, later than his murder acquittal.

What a coincidence.

[speedoo]

60. Guilty on ALL COUNTS. Same with the other defendant.

Likely to go to jail for life. Too bad OJ was not found guilty of murdering his ex wife Nicole and the guy who was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[nadinbrzezinski]

62. He's still going to pay

his ahem debt

You know his is a tragic story... if you think about it

Hell, might be a person to base a novel on...

Hear me out... gone from the wrong side of the tracks to quite the success story... to loosing all... I am sure Shakespeare would do that... I really do

It reads almost like that

[napi21]

63. He's bee an arrogant itiot for years. Apparently thought his fans

would continue to suppert him. Sorry OJ, just like the mafia boss, you got convicted amd it's such a shame that a great football [layer would be so damn stupid!

[greyghost]

67. OJ could have road off into the sunset like Claus von Bulow, but

his ego wouldn't allow it.

[kskiska]

64. The postman always rings twice

"You know, there's something about this which is like, well, it's like you're expectin' a letter that you're just crazy to get, and you hang around the front door for fear you might not hear him ring. You never realize that he always rings twice…The truth is, you always hear him ring the second time, even if you're way out in the back yard." -- (John) Garfield, explaining the title.

[Duer 157099]

65. I think they're doing cutbacks, they never ring twice anymore

I always hear the bell and by the time I get to the door, they're already in their truck driving away, leaving the package on the porch.

That title should be updated to The Postman Only Rings Once.

[wiley]

66. And who cares?

Not me. Some guys broke the law and got caught. They'll pay for it. Get back to me when Senator Ted Stevens gets thrown in jail.

[Imagevision]

68. Simpson to hopefully do life in of all playgrounds ->Vegas, I ran into that creep once...

[RBInMaine]

69. GOOD ! THIS MURDERING ASSHOLE NEEDS TO BE IN JAIL FOR LIFE !!

[Sewsojm]

70. Its about time, I hope he rots in jail.

[newfie11]

71. Finally!!!!!!!

Thank God.:bounce: I hope he meets lot of nice men in there!!:sarcasm:

[Gman]

73. OJ could not get a fair trial for a jaywalking ticket anywhere in the country

I didn't follow the trial at all, but the maximum he could get in no way fits the crimes, especially for someone who is technically a first time offender.

[slackmaster]

83. Kidnapping and armed robbery are very serious crimes

Even for a first-time offender.

[Gman]

89. Because that is what the prosecutor presented to the grand jury

and 1) it was OJ and 2) it was OJ... in other words, they went for the most charges and the biggest charges they could present and the grand jury (because it was OJ) bought the entire thing.

I'm not familiar with all the facts of the current case, but I know enough that because it was OJ, everything stuck likely in revenge for his previous acquittal. I think there are a lot of other lesser charges that could have been brought that would have been more appropriate. But because it was OJ, and very most likely because the Las Vegas DA runs for election, and because as with all politicians he has a ego, he went for everything so he could have that huge feather in his cap that he convicted OJ.

I don't care what anyone says, OJ couldn't get a fair trial anywhere in this country for anything.

[Blasphemer]

122. Fair trial

OJ Simpson, because of his celebrity and his means, would never have gotten the kind of trial that an ordinary citizen would have gotten. Any other man in his position in 1994 would have been easily convicted. Meanwhile, if the murders/that trial had never happened, he wouldn't have gotten any more than a slap on the wrist for his recent crime. Fairness being impossible, I am just glad that he is ultimately going to be where he belongs.

[slackmaster]

159. "I'm not familiar with all the facts of the current case..." is all anyone needs to know

About the validity of your opinion.

[BklnDem75]

94. I wasn't aware robbing someone was also kidnapping?

I guess the special bullshit rules are in play because it's OJ. Somehow, I think if there was an accident across the street, they'd find a way to tie that into this case, as well. Never in my life have I heard alleged armed robbery turn into a kidnapping. Not even with bank robberies. No gun recovered. The only witness to the gun? The guy OJ took his memorabilia from. He didn't even see a gun. He said he heard someone mention a gun. Wow...

Then again, who needs laws when it's OJ Simpson!

[LisaL]

106. You are just not aware of the law. Period.

If you prevent someone from going where they want to go, you could be charged with kidnapping.

[BklnDem75]

125. Please...

There's no proof of kidnapping. No proof a gun was present. All you have is the owner's word and the fact that it's OJ. Even I couldn't bring up an argument like that in court.

[slackmaster]

158. Preventing someone from walking out of a room, with force, during a robbery constitutes kidnapping

At least in Nevada. Read up on the case.

[BklnDem75]

163. Sorry. You're thinking false imprisonment.

As with most jurisdictions, Nevada imposes the additional element of asportation to the crime of kidnapping. That means the victim must be confined to a bounded area, and then moved.

In order for you to find the defendant guilty of both first-degree kidnapping (or second-degree kidnapping) and an associated offense of robbery, you must also find beyond a reasonable doubt either:

(1) That any movement of the victim was not incidental to the robbery;

(2) That any incidental movement of the victim substantially increased the risk of harm to the victim over and above that necessarily present in the robbery;

(3) That any incidental movement of the victim substantially exceeded that required to complete the robbery;

(4) That the victim was physically restrained and such restraint substantially increased the risk of harm to the victim; or

(5) The movement or restraint had an independent purpose or significance.

"Physically restrained" includes but is not limited to tying, binding, or taping.

[slackmaster]

165. Cite, please?

NRS 200.310 Degrees.

1. A person who willfully seizes, confines, inveigles, entices, decoys, abducts, conceals, kidnaps or carries away a person by any means whatsoever with the intent to hold or detain, or who holds or detains, the person for ransom, or reward, or for the purpose of committing sexual assault, extortion or robbery upon or from the person, or for the purpose of killing the person or inflicting substantial bodily harm upon him, or to exact from relatives, friends, or any other person any money or valuable thing for the return or disposition of the kidnapped person, and a person who leads, takes, entices, or carries away or detains any minor with the intent to keep, imprison, or confine him from his parents, guardians, or any other person having lawful custody of the minor, or with the intent to hold the minor to unlawful service, or perpetrate upon the person of the minor any unlawful act is guilty of kidnapping in the first degree which is a category A felony.

2. A person who willfully and without authority of law seizes, inveigles, takes, carries away or kidnaps another person with the intent to keep the person secretly imprisoned within the State, or for the purpose of conveying the person out of the State without authority of law, or in any manner held to service or detained against his will, is guilty of kidnapping in the second degree which is a category B felony.

<1:165:1947; 1943 NCL § 10612.05>—(NRS A 1959, 20; 1979, 39; 1987, 495; 1995, 1184)

Underlinging added for emphasis.
http://search.leg.state.nv.us/isysquery/irl5317/2/doc

BklnDem75 wrote:

As with most jurisdictions, Nevada imposes the additional element of asportation to the crime of kidnapping. That means the victim must be confined to a bounded area, and then moved.

Wrong.

[BklnDem75]

175. Actually, you're wrong.

You're seriously downplaying the word 'willfully.' That means intent. When it comes to law, every word is there for a reason. Once again, you're also basing this all off of hearsay. There were no guns and every charge was based on the owner's word of mouth.

[slackmaster]

182. There was sworn testimony that at least one gun was present

You're seriously downplaying the word 'willfully.'

How so?

In any case, I am happy to let the system work this out. If the court acted improperly, that should be remedied on appeal.

[BklnDem75]

193. The same witness copping a plea to avoid jail time.

I'm sure you mean you're happy Simpson was railroaded. Laws had nothing to do with this case.

[slackmaster]

195. I have no feeelings toward OJ Simpson

None.

[BklnDem75]

177. Oh, and a quick look a wiki:

In criminal law, kidnapping is the taking away or asportation of a person against the person's will, usually to hold the person in false imprisonment, a confinement without legal authority. This is often done for ransom or in furtherance of another crime. A majority of jurisdictions in the United States retain the "asportation" element for kidnapping, where the victim must be confined in a bounded area against their will and moved. Any amount of movement will suffice for the requirement, even if it is moving the abductee to a house next door. In the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, however, the asportation element has been abolished. Note that under early English common law, the asportation element required that the victim be moved outside the realm of England or overseas in order for an abduction to be considered "kidnapping".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnap

[slackmaster]

183. Appeal to Wikipedia Fallacy

I quoted the text of the applicable law. Your only legitimate recourse in this discussion, if you really disagree, is to show that I didn't quote the correct law or have misinterpreted it. I'm not a lawyer, but my interpretation happens to agree with the instructions that the judge gave to the jury.

[JeanGrey]

153. Why not? He certainly could from me. Evidence is evidence.

The first criminal trial for the murders is one of the biggest miscarriages of justice in the history of the world.

[BklnDem75]

164. Oh? And what evidence is there?

No guns and hearsay. Even the kidnapping charge is based on hearsay. If anything, it's false imprisonment which is not interchangeable with kidnapping.

[slackmaster]

167. Did not at least one of the memorabilia dealers testify that he saw a gun?

That would not be considered hearsay.

[BklnDem75]

179. Oh?

So saying, 'I think I heard someone mention a gun' is now considered evidence? Remind me to never visit Nevada.

[slackmaster]

184. No, I believe one person said under oath that he SAW a gun being brandished

That's real evidence.

[BklnDem75]

192. The same witness...

who claims he was told to brandish a gun and is serving no jail time. :eyes:

This isn't rocket science, people. If he was told to brandish a gun during the robbery, and he's testifying against Simpson to avoid jail time, how come no guns were produced as evidence? Did he forget where he stashed it?

[slackmaster]

194. It's still sworn testimony

Let the appeals process work it out.

[tabasco]

173. Witness testimony is not hearsay.

You don't know jack shit about the law.

[BklnDem75]

180. Please...

Your apparent hate for Simpson has clouded your judgment.

[Scout]

200. 1. there ARE exceptions to the hearsay rule

2. OJ's lawyer should/could have objected if he believed a witness was testifying to hearsay that did not fall under one of the exceptions.

[JeanGrey]

206. OJ's defense lawyer put on ONE WITNESS. ONE.

That was their entire defense. And OJ didn't take the stand. Guess they learned their lesson doing that.

[msanthrope]

202. Not Hearsay....As the jury noted this a.m.--they listened to the recordings that

the host of the meet made.

Actual time recordings, in any legal system I've ever been acquainted with are defined either simply as 'not hearsay', or, hearsay allowable under the 'present sense impression' or, sometimes the 'business records exception.'

It was Simpson's own words that got him...much like the civil trial.

[JeanGrey]

204. If you watched the news conference the jury said his own

mouth convicted him. THE TAPES

[MullenBank]

77. Leave the gun. Take the cannoli's.

Hey Capone went to jail for tax evasion. Whatever, man. Fuck'em. He's a murderer and a thief.

[Robbins]

79. SImpson

Seriously did anyone think he wasn't going to be convicted.That jury was ready to convict before
the trial even started.

[berner59]

81. I think the jury's duty...

WAS to convict him!! How could anyone not think he brutally murdered Nicole and Ron Goldman? Sorry...he's got pay sometime for that...

[depakid]

85. The jury's duty was to look at the facts of the case at hand

just as the prosecutor's duties were to charge him and the others as they would anybody else who committed similar acts in that jurisdiction.

Human nature being what it is- that of course that didn't (and probably couldn't be expected to) happen.

But that is in fact what their duty was. Not to avenge what they perceived as a previous injustice.

[Xenotime]

87. Sad to see that happen to such a good man.

[TooRaLoo]

91. Yeah, such a great guy.

:sarcasm:

Hope he rots. Slowly.

[AnOhioan]

93. Good....the bastard got away with murder 13 years ago.....

I know this conviction is not for murder but, as others, have said, jail time is jail time. This has been a long time coming.

[Festivito]

98. I wonder if the Goldmans can get the stuff OJ tried to recover.

If it was OJ's, it should go to the Goldmans.

[Algorem]

102. someone was waving a Failin' Palin sign right behind lawyer's head

on TV interview this morning was either Today show or the ABC one.

[Taverner]

103. And somewhere angry white men are cheering...

[MellowDem]

108. Uhhh

Why don't you add, "and somewhere angry black men are raging...". It would fit into your black and white tunnel vision view of society after all.

[Taverner]

109. Angry White Men have been salivating over an OJ convicion for years

Everyone else has pretty much forgotten OJ

But if you argue with a White, Male Republican - chances are OJ will come up as an example of how "the deck is stacked against the white guy"

:eyes:

[MellowDem]

113. Same can be said for angry Black Men

They have held it up as a show of true justice for years, everyone else had pretty much forgotten OJ.

But if you argue with an angry Black Male - chances are OJ will come up as an example of how "justice was served just that once"

See how helpful this line of thinking and reasoning is? I don't agree with it, but you necessarily must, considering your previous posts. The OJ Simpson trial was a trial whose decision was wrong and was based a lot on race. Unsurprisingly, you will have extremists everywhere who will project their racist or bigoted views onto that one case to prove their points.

Now, rational people look at the first case and see it was poorly managed and was part of the reason why there was injustice. They are happy to see that some justice has finally been served, in spite of the racial issues. I think that is the vast vast majority of Americans. So why bring up the extremes when talking about this case? All the White, Male Republicans I know (and I know quite a few here in southern Ohio) think of the first OJ Simpson case as an example of how race can lead to injustice for whites sometimes as well. They don't view it in terms of how the deck is stacked against them, but they see it for what it is, just like the Duke Lacrosse team case.

You might as well state what it is. Just because the vast majority of cases where race has lead to injustice in the past has been the other way around doesn't mean those who point out the same when it applies to whites are all Angry White Men or bigots. Talking in such broad terms and implying such serious charges are offensive. And saying "BUT BUT BUT blacks have had it so much worse than whites!" whenever there is injustice does nothing to stop injustice anywhere, rather, it seems like an excuse for injustice and ultimately hurts the cause to end racial tensions and destroy perceptions of racism, and eventually the idiotic classification of race itself, from this country.

[Taverner]

119. I beg to differ - I don't see OJ as an obsession of any other group but White Men

[Demobrat]

120. And so are abused women of every ilk.

Domestic abuse is color-blind.

[LanternWaste]

203. And elsewhere, some white guy...

And elsewhere, some white guy couldn't give a hoot about it one way or another, and wonders how we went from having 1000 economists on the board last week to having twice as many jr. G-men and wanna-be Perry Masons.

[Blue_Tires]

104. wow...that case against him was kinda flimsy

but of course we all know that this trial had NOTHING to do with robbery/kidnapping, right? not content with the civil trial, this case was to finally 'right a wrong'

at least with simpson in jail, mainstream america can point its 14 years of pent-up moral outrage toward robert blake, phil spector, jayson williams or any number of questionable murder acquittals right in their own hometowns...(or heaven forbid they try to give a shit about the environment or the war)

[bedazzled]

105. it would've looked better if there were african-americans on the jury

kind of looks like he was railroaded to me.

i felt in my heart he was guilty, but since
a jury found him innocent, in our system of
justice we have to say he was. i think his
case was investigated and prosecuted badly.

i could never fathom the civil case finding
him guilty. i'm not a lawyer, but it seemed
like double jeopardy to me.

if he is guilty of this crime, i'd be happy
to see him in jail for the rest of his life.
i'm not just sure...

[LisaL]

107. There is no double jeopardy.

Criminal and civil court have different burden of proof.
As for the jury, it represents the community in which the trial is taking place.
They are going to pick the jury from whoever shows up for jury duty. That's why OJ murder trial jury was heavily black, and his robbery trial jury was heavily white.

[bedazzled]

110. yep, i know that the level of proof is different

just can't fathom how someone can be not
guilty of murder and guilty of violating
the civil rights of the victim!

as for the composition of the jury, i
just feel they might've worked a bit harder
at the mix in order to alleviate that bit
of doubt.

maybe i'm oversensitive - i don't know much
about the law...

[LisaL]

111. It figures you don't know much about the law.

By the way, due to the venue change in OJ's murder trial,he got heavily black jury, which he wouldn't have gotten had the trial been held where the murders took place.
The composition of the jury depends on whoever shows up for jury duty. Whoever shows up for jury duty depends on composition of the community where the trial is taking place. There is no law that somebody should look extra hard "at the mix."

[bedazzled]

112. ah, so that's why they never ever change the venue for a trial?

thanks for the input! appreciate it...

[LisaL]

115. Defense lawyer is the one who asks for the change of venue.

If the defense lawyer doesn't ask, then the venue is not going to be changed. If defense lawyer asks, the judge might or might not grant it, depending on the reasons.

[Blasphemer]

121. OJ's community

The jury of his murder trial did not reflect the makeup of his actual community which is why he got off. It is unfortunate that race became an issue in a case that should truly have been centered around the issues of sexism and violence against women.

[Scout]

201. OJ's lawyer should have done a better job at jury selection then.... n/t

[JeanGrey]

211. Heck they only called ONE defense witness. why?

Because they had no defense. And he sure wasn't putting OJ on the stand!!

[Demobrat]

118. OJ was given the gift of freedom and he squandered it.

If anybody should have been smart enough to avoid any and all contact with the law enforcement community for the rest of his life it was that guy. But no - he arranged and took part in a crime. And wound up back in court, at the mercy of the system. Sorry guy. You had your chance. You blew it.

[ryanmuegge]

123. There is a good PBS documentary that casts serious doubt on his guilt in the '94 murders.

I know everybody assumes he's guilty, but I'm not so sure.

[Nye Bevan]

134. Right. Too bad he's being locked up.

He'll have to put his search for the "real killers" on hold.

[eilen]

135. He has a long history of violence against women and was not charged.

Abuse cycle dynamics work out that way often.

He has a bad temper--which is not illegal, just a character flaw.

After that murder trial, he probably felt he was teflon. Arrogance is also a character flaw.

I'm glad he didn't kill anyone else since then.

[ryanmuegge]

142. I know. I'm not saying he's a good guy, but I am saying he might not have killed those two people

based on some of the evidence in that documentary.

[JeanGrey]

154. You should read some of the evidence they had and you

wouldn't have any doubts. I don't think all the fiber evidence was introduced, they probably thought the mountain of evidence was enough (silly them). Blood evidence alone was enough. Heck they had enough to convict ten men.

For instance:

On Bundy Glove:

One hair from Nicole Brown Simpson
Bloody fibers consistent with Ronald Lyle Goldman's shirt
Fibers from Ron Goldman's jeans

Rockingham Glove:
Hairs from Nicole Simpson
Three hairs from Ron Goldman
Fibers from Ron Goldman's shirt
Fiber from Simpson's Bronco

On Ron Goldman's shirt:
Simpson's hair
25 hairs from Nicole Simpson
Four torn fibers from Nicole Simpson's dress
Fibers from the knit cap
Fiber consistent with the cashmere lining of both gloves
Many blue-black fibers

Ronald Goldman's pants:
Hairs consistent with Nicole Simpson's
Hair from the Akita

On the blue knit cap at 875 South Bundy Drive
Hairs from the Akita
12 hairs of Simpson's.
Fibers from Ron Goldman's shirt
One fiber from the cashmere lining of the glove
One fiber from the Bronco carpet

Blood evidence at 875 South Bundy
Blood drops near the bodies, Simpson's blood
4 blood drops on walkway, all Simpson's
Blood on rear gate, Simpson's
2 footprints, size 12 Bruno Magli loafers with Nicole Simpson's blood
Blood stain from Ron's boot matched both his and Nicole Simpson's blood

From the Bronco
Red stained fibers from driver's floor
Red stained carpet fibers from driver-side floor
Red carpet stain resembling partial shoe print

Blood drop of Simpson's found on driver's door interior, and in two places on instrument panel
Blood on steering wheel, mixture of Simpson and Nicole Simpson
Simpson's blood on center console
More blood on center console matched both Simpson's and Ronald Goldman's
Blood on driver's side wall matched Simpson's
Blood on carpet matched Simpson
Several blood samples on center console matched Simpson's, Ronald Goldman and Nicole Simpson's.

Blood evidence at Rockingham
Blood on glove matched Ronald Goldman's
Four blood samples on a sock: Nicole and Simpson's
Blood drops in foyer - Simpson's
Blood trail on driveway - Simpson's

[ryanmuegge]

155. Yeah, I'm aware of it. It seems pretty damning, but as I recall, the questions raised

in the documentary had to do with investigation (and it was more than the Mark Fuhrman stuff).


I mean, he may very well be guilty, and when I heard all of that evidence, I figured it was a lock, but that documentary made me question it.

[JeanGrey]

156. Fuhrman was a non question. He was the 16th cop on the

scene. The blood evidence was collected before OJ returned. He killed them. There is tons more.

[HillRodWins]

171. Bruno Magli Shoes

"2 footprints, size 12 Bruno Magli loafers with Nicole
Simpson's blood"

That did it for me!  They went to the actual Italian factory
where these were made and also discovered that only 3 pair in
the whole US were sold, One Pair in Beverly Hills, one in New
York and can't remember the third location.  Then OJ denies
that he ever owned a pair of Bruno Maglies and woops, out
comes a picture of him wearing them prior to the murders.

[Marnieworld]

172. And the criminal trial jury did not see this picture

He's wearing the killer's shoes for Chrissakes!

[JeanGrey]

176. Yes. It is really ludicrous that anyone would read the evidence

and come to any other conclusion. Shameful, actually.

[Pavulon]

170. The "real killers" are still out there

does he cover that in his book? He killed her and the guy he thought she was fucking. Happens all the time in the USA.

Very simple thing.

The fact he was rich and famous and the system showed no balls was where we lost. It all started with the bullshit chase. If that had been me or you they would have spike stripped the car and slammed our asses on the pavement with a shotgun pointed at our heads.

Fucking Chewbacca defense failed him this time. "ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury..."

[JeanGrey]

214. OJ was in a rage that night. Nicole had pissed him off

again, she had snubbed him at their daughter's dance recital. Not only that he had been blown off by his girlfriend, Paula B. Nicole was trying to get on with her life. OJ was stalking her - one night she had a date and was on her couch with a guy and OJ was standing in the bushes peering in the window!

Nicole just "pissed" him off one time too many. She dared to have a life, since she was divorced from OJ and didn't have to listen to him anymore. That was too much for his ego and the murderous rage took over.

He probably thought she was screwing Ron Goldman too even though they were just friends.

There is really nothing outlandish or strange about this. It is classic abuse of male to female. Happens every day in America and ends in murder. Sometimes even women do it over men. But there is nothing unusual about it. It always struck me as odd that people thought it was.

I'm glad he's going to jail, but I knew it was only a matter of time. I truly believe OJ is a sociopath and that doesn't just "go away". Is anyone REALLY surprised that OJ believed he could get a group of thugs up with some "heat" and just muscle his way into what he wanted? Why not? After all, he got away with double murder and it always worked in the past, didn't it?

[classysassy]

141. Justice in America

I went down to the courthouse searching for justice,and I found it,just us."ode to a sick justice system".

[ProudDad]

143. It's just typical "payback" from the criminal injustice system

As Lenny Bruce put it, "The only justice in the Hall of Justice is in the halls."

If this had been anyone other than O.J.Simpson he would have gotten a year in the pokey and in VERY RARE jurisdictions would have been sentenced to some anger management counseling if he had the money. If he didn't have the money he would have done the year and then been cut loose to the street to offend again.

The whole corrupt system is nothing more than payback. It's also a big lie to the public.

It's absurd to think that putting people into training camps for criminals is going to do anything positive to reduce crime!

And the cops lie. And the D.A.s lie (and withhold exculpatory evidence).

And the jails and prisons are the biggest lie. The lie that tormenting and torturing people will help them "mend their ways".

We incarcerate the most people in the Industrialized world, have the worst crime problem and sit there with our proverbial thumbs up our asses and wonder why there's so much crime...

As long as the purpose continues to be revenge it will continue to make the crime "problem" worse.

DUH!!!

[Pavulon]

168. While he is rehabilitated he can look for the real killers

with all that extra time and no golf courses he may be able to make some progress.

He is a murdering piece of shit and now will get to spend 23 hours on lockdown because half the population would kill him for the fame.

Karma is a bitch.

[ohio2007]

174. ...but does he forfeit his right to vote in november ?

lol

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3526335

[Imagevision]

161. It'd be great if he could see the Vegas night-line from his cell - of all places to end up.

[Mesteryo]

181. This was pretty much a set up..

The LA Times reported:

Thomas Riccio – the auctioneer who set up the meeting where Simpson and five associates allegedly robbed two memorabilia dealers at gunpoint – used a digital recorder to secretly tape the events leading up to, and during, the confrontation.

The sometimes garbled, expletive-laced recordings are expected to be a cornerstone of the prosecution’s case. Snippets of them were played during opening remarks earlier this week.

Riccio, who sold the digital recordings to the celebrity gossip website TMZ.com for more than $100,000, according to the defense, received immunity and was slated to testify as early as today. Four of Simpson’s cohorts are also cooperating with prosecutors.----http://articles.latimes.com/2008/sep/18/nation/na-oj18


Riccio brought Simpson to the room so the b&e thing is silly. I'm not an OJ fan but this case doesn't seem very legit.

[rocktivity]

185. Nobody forced OJ to hire a couple of armed goons

If the property in question was legally his, and he didn't like idea of calling the police, he should have had someone else do it--his attorney, for instance?

:headbang:
rocknation

[JeanGrey]

215. He wanted to hide the stuff from the Goldman's. It was in a

storage locker in his Mom's name and nobody paid for it!! It was auctioned off and that is how the stuff got out.

But this is OJ after all - the guy who believes he can do anything. Why it was HIS stuff, right? They had no right to it, irregardless of how they got it! So I'll just muscle in and get it. WRONG.

As I've said before, only a matter of time...............

If the Goldman's hadn't been as diligent as they've been over these 13 years, keeping after OJ every minute, he might possibly had faded away but I doubt it.

His ex agent was on Dr. Phil, the guy who wrote the book about helping OJ get away with murder. He apologized and said he regretted what he did. Yeah right................

They didn't forgive him and I don't blame them.

[MrSlayer]

191. He is going to be fucked with constantly in prison.

How sad.

[JeanGrey]

216. Why is it sad?

[MrSlayer]

217. It isn't.

I also just found out that he will be in PC during his stay, which is bullshit.

[JeanGrey]

218. Apparently it is for his own safety. Somebody might kill

him in prison.

And he is going to be there for life. Kidnapping carries a 15 to life sentence and there are two counts on that alone................

[MrSlayer]

219. Gen-pop is where real justice is served.

But putting an egomanic, attention addict in solitary might be the best punishment.

[JeanGrey]

220. I bet he wouldn't last a month in gen pop. But he'll lose his

ego infected self in solitary. It doesn't look good for OJ at all.

[pipoman]

221. Almost every convict is placed in

protective custody/solitary confinement for a period upon arrival at prison. This is to get them through the initial depression and through the intake evaluation process. Nobody chooses to stay in solitary. He will be in gen pop eventually. He will end up associating with one gang or another for protection as most long term inmates do.