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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:19 AM
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(Wash. state Supreme) Court: Police don't have to pay for damage during raids
Source: Seattle Post-Intelligencer

In a split decision Thursday, the state Supreme Court rejected a plea by a Kent property owner seeking compensation for damage done during a drug raid.

Affirming lower court decisions, five of the court's nine justices found the city of Kent was not required to pay $5,000 for damage to buildings owned by Leo Brutsche during a failed 2004 anti-methamphetamine operation.

During the raid, narcotics officers used battering rams to knock down doors in buildings owned by Brutsche while searching for a meth lab they believed Brutsche's son to be operating on the property, according to court records. No drugs were found, and Brutsche contends he offered officers keys to the doors before they began knocking them down.

... Four of the court's nine justices disagreed, finding that the case raised factual issues deserving a jury trial.

"There is nothing more reprehensible to the law than an agent of the government causing unnecessary and unreasonable damage to the person or property of a person while performing -- or purporting to perform -- a government function," Justice Tom Chambers said in one of two dissenting opinions issued in the case.

Read more: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/381576_search03.html
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:25 AM
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1. This ruling is an opening for so much potential abuse
I agree with the 4 dissenting judges
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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:39 AM
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2. So the cops aren't responsible
for anything, just like Bush & Co
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:01 AM
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13. How often have we seen cops held accountable? Just look at the murders in NYC. No Jail for killers.
Sean Bell. Shot at 50 times and murdered by these criminals who now walk free.
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FREEWILL56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:52 AM
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4. I wonder if those 5 judges would change their minds
if they were to be targetted for such an investigation for drugs, break into their places, and destroy their things and say on the way out, "Oh, I'm sorry, as we found nothing to hang you on and you can clean up after us." I'd be surprised if that doesn't do it and it certainly would be poetic justice for these judges injustices in any case.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:21 AM
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15. They will never be targeted
Washington elects judges by popular vote. To be elected a judge, you need to have friends that are rich, powerful and very influencial. People with those kinds of connections NEVER have this kind of stuff happen to them. Even if they murdered someone in cold blood and were as blatantly guilty as a Bush crony, "justice" would be served quietly, with much civility and as little media as possible.
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ManiacJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:46 AM
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3. Not as bad as it is made to sound.
... the Supreme Court reaffirmed an existing ruling that the state must pay for damage that results from police negligence or misconduct.


If the cops get the wrong address, they pay for the damage.

In this case, according to the article, the cops did not find the meth lab they were looking for; but the son "died in a later explosion on the property." Sounds like the unfound meth lab blew up.
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FREEWILL56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 01:04 AM
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5. It's a shame about what has happened to
Edited on Fri Oct-03-08 01:05 AM by FREEWILL56
innocent until proven guilty. You may strongly suspect that a meth lab caused the explosion, but there are other possibilities like natural gas, propane, or even bad cops to name a few. Your suspicions don't make it so and that is supposed to apply to the law as well. It would be a great get even thing to falsely accuse somebody and have the cops destroy everything and both the accuser and the cops get away with it. I'm picturing lots of bad scenarios with police being not responcible. It shouldn't just apply to, "oops wrong address" for them to pay for if the only crime is from the police they better pay.
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ManiacJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 01:17 AM
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6. The system already accounts for your scenario of a
Edited on Fri Oct-03-08 01:19 AM by ManiacJoe
false accusation. It may not be well accounted for but is accounted for none the less.

And, yes, of course, there are other possible reasons for the explosion. However, it does fit quite nicely.
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Gap Spanner Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 04:01 AM
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8. Innocent?
With VERY little information about this case, you suggest that someone was NOT presumed innocent, yet you then go on to suggest quite strongly that the police returned later and blew up the house and the son - just to get out of paying $5,000 in repair bills?

I think that's a pretty strong statement on information so thin as to be invisible.

While there are cops out there who will do bad things, I propose that we apply the standard of 'innocent until proven guilty' to them as well.
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FREEWILL56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 05:31 AM
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9. Nice try, but I said possibilities and didn't just give cops as examples.
Edited on Fri Oct-03-08 05:32 AM by FREEWILL56
Trying to make me out as guilty isn't cool, but what can I expect from someone like you as you'd fit right in with those 5 judges now wouldn't you? Have a nice day if you can as I know I'll try.
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Gap Spanner Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:08 AM
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14. Who's guilty?
I'm not making anyone out to be guilty, I just think that it's pretty far fetched to suggest that the explosion may have been the 'bad cops' destroying evidence. Evidence of what? There was no meth lab found and the damage to the door was acknowledged. What was there for even the most heinous 'bad cop' to want to destroy so badly that they would want to blow up the entire home and the alleged bad guy?

As for the issue of the door, I believe if the owner were there with a key, they should have used it rather than bashing in the door. As such, they should pay for the damage.

And thanks, I plan on having a very nice day - how can I not, after Biden wiped the floor with Palin last night. :-)

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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 06:58 AM
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11. That is not the legal test here, the Police admit they did the damage
If the Officer doing the damage had been civilians they would have been liable for the CIVIL DAMAGES. Remember no one is accusing the police of CRIMINAL action, but of doing DAMAGE while doing their job. The Supreme Court of Washington just ruled that if the Police are doing their job and YOU suffer a loss do to the POLICE POSITIVE ACTION, you can NOT sue the Police for the damages CAUSED by the police, even if the Police recover NO evidence of ANY criminal Activity. Basically the Court said the police can break into your home, trash the place, destroy property and as long as it was part of a good faith search for illegal items the Police does NOT have to reimburse you for the damages they did EVEN IF NO EVIDENCE OF ANY CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IS FOUND.

Rules like this is why the US Supreme Court adopted the Exclusionary rule in the 1950s against the State. The US Supreme Court found this practice widespread but the only way the US Supreme Court could stop it was to rule it was inadmissible to admit any evidence found in an illegal search. This had been the Federal rule since WWI, but the Court left it up to the states on how to deal with the problem of Illegal police searches. The problem was State Legislatures refused and the State Courts that did face the issue had to adopt the Federal Rule for their own states (And thus the US Supreme Court expanded the Exclusionary Rule to all States in the 1950s).

Thus the problem IS not innocent until found gutty, but who pays for the damages, even when the Police who did the damage had a valid Search Warrant?
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:27 AM
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17. Actually, the details of the case are a matter of public record
In short: a search warrant was issued. The homeowner was offering his full cooperation. The police did not want his cooperation. The result of the police's refusal was damage to the property. The items listed in the warrant were not found, nor was there any evidence of other criminal activity that could be used to get an expanded warrant. These are the facts as presented in open court, and none of these facts were contested by either side of the argument.

Look here for the case of Brutsche v. City of Kent.
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Gap Spanner Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:54 AM
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18. I know about the case
TechBear, I'm familiar with the case. When I said there was little information on the case, I was referring to what had been posted here on DU.

While I know firsthand how bad some officers can be, I was surprised to find someone arguing for 'innocent until proven guilty' and then suggesting that the subject of the search warrant was innocent and the 'bad cops' might have blown up the house to hide evidence. He also then judged me by saying that 'someone like me' would side with the judges. In fact, I disagree with the decision and feel the officers acted poorly and caused unnecessary damages. They should have to pay for the repairs.

I just think that 'innocent until proven guilty' should apply equally to the subject of the warrant as well as the officers.
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FREEWILL56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 03:23 PM
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20. Maybe we've been reading each other wrongly.
Edited on Fri Oct-03-08 03:23 PM by FREEWILL56
Your last statement seems to indicate we're on the same page with this. Peace.:hippie:
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Gap Spanner Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:04 PM
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21. Peace indeed
:-) Always a good word in my book. :-)
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Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 01:40 AM
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7. I used to think America was living out Idiocracy...
Now it seems like were living the Big Lebowski,
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kayakjohnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 07:10 AM
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12. "New information has come to light."
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 06:39 AM
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10. How about shot dogs?
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:25 AM
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16. Hard to believe
that this decision came out of my former home state. I've always thought of Washington as being rather progressive, but I guess I need to change that view...
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:27 AM
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19. an eye witness report...
swat guy: there's the guy, there's the house!!!

guy: wait wait, I have keys, let me let you in...

swat guy: he's resisting arrest, pin him down!!!

guy: wha...

swat guy: tazar him!!!

guy flops around on the ground after being zapped. the swat team busts down the door and piles into the house.

swat guy: what that there?????

swat guy 2: I don't know!!!!

swat guy: shoot it!!!!

guy (on floor coming to after being zapped): that's my lamp...

swat guy: he's coming to!!! strangle hold!!!!

several swat guys pile on the guy on the ground.

An old man with a cup of coffee, dressed in boxers, a robe and slippers, saunters out into the living room.

old man: what's going on he...

swat guy: an accomplice!!!! grab him!!!

swat guy 2: full cavity search!!!!

old man: what the hell are you doing?????

swat guy: he's resisting!!! zap him and put him in a stress position!!!!!

old man: hey...

old man gets zapped and flops around on floor.

swat guy: all in a days work!!!!

swat guy: more scumbags off the street!!!!
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 12:22 AM
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22. Here is the Actual Opinion.
Edited on Sat Oct-04-08 01:11 AM by happyslug
http://www.courts.wa.gov/opinions/index.cfm?fa=opinions.showOpinion&filename=792526MAJ

Concurrence and dissent:
http://www.courts.wa.gov/opinions/index.cfm?fa=opinions.showOpinion&filename=792526CP1

Dissent:
http://www.courts.wa.gov/opinions/index.cfm?fa=opinions.showOpinion&filename=792526Di1

Please note this is a review of the Trial Judge's decision on a summary Judgment motion. That means the court MUST give all reasonable doubts to the side opposing the Motion for Summary Judgment.

From Actual decision:

We adopt Restatement (Second) of Torts § 214 and conclude that liability in trespass may arise if by intentionally doing an act that a reasonable person would not regard as necessary to execute the warrant and thereby damage the property, or by executing the warrant in a negligent manner and thereby damaging the property, law enforcement officers exceed the scope of their privilege to be on the land to execute a search warrant. Although a trespass action is a permissible cause of action, summary judgment was properly granted in this case because, as a matter of law, on the evidence submitted, the officers did not exceed the scope of their privilege to be on the property to execute the search warrant.


And the court awarded attorney's fee to the City for the cost the city incurred when the Plaintiff appealed this case:

We also conclude that Mr. Brutsche is not entitled to assert a takings claim and decline to overrule Eggleston. We award attorney fees to the City under MAR 7.3 and RAP 18.1. Finally, we decline to address Mr. Brutsche's negligence claim.

We affirm the Court of Appeals, under different reasoning, and affirm the trial court's grant of summary judgment."


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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:59 AM
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24. The case cites 148 Wn.2d 760, Eggleston v. Pierce County Which is here:
Edited on Sat Oct-04-08 02:36 AM by happyslug
http://www.mrsc.org/mc/courts/supreme/148wn2d/148wn2d0760.htm#148wn2d0760

In Eggleston the Police took out a "Load Bearing Wall" to use as evidence in a murder charge against the Petitioner's son. Petitioner Eggleston was living on just $500 a month in 1998 but was under a Court Order that she could do nothing to "destroy evidence" even if that meant just repairing her home to be habitable. She was forced to live in her mother's Mobile home. The Washington State Supreme court ruled the order preventing her from doing any repairs was NOT a taking, but just preservation of Evidence and therefore the State did NOT have to compensate her for it. Thus you had a handicap woman living on $500 a month NOT being permitted to do any repairs to her home (And the walls removed were NOT even used at the trial of her son, but the Jury did go to the home).

The debate is should the state pay a innocent third party to preserve evidence in a Criminal case? The Washington State Supreme Court said yes AND the State has no obligation to pay for any lost to anyone (including innocent third parties) if all that is being done is preservation of Evidence. Other states (Cited in both cases) have ruled otherwise where the cost were high (One case cited was from Texas where the Texas Supreme Court ruled that the state had to pay the innocent landlord when the police burned down the house he had rented to others, but the police wanted to arrest the tenants for Criminal activities).

After reading both decisions I can see where the Court is coming from. Fortunately I live in Pennsylvania where it is hard to get a Summary judge granted UNLESS there is absolutely no factual dispute (refer to as the Nanty-Glo Rule from a Case out of Nanty-Glo, Cambria County PA).

Remember in both cases the action being review was a Summary Motion decision by the trial judge who ruled that any reasonable Jury will find certain facts and no others (This is NOT the test for summary Judgments in Pa, the Pa test is NO disputed facts, NOT that any reasonable Jury would find the facts the Judge sets forth, thanks to William Penn AND the 1874 State Constitution, both were Jury mad). Other states also leave this up to Juries to set the facts. In those states (and the Federal Courts) that give Judges wide discretion as to Summary Judgments, those are the states that have to decide is the case the type with no reasonable disputes as to facts that permit Summary Judgment, or let the case go to a Jury to decide the facts of the Case.

Even the dissent agreed with the Majority as to what the legal test for Police "taking" of property was, the real issue was if the facts of the Case really in dispute OR not (i.e. no real dispute, summary Judgment is permitted, facts are in dispute up to a Jury). Now the court went the extra step and said the POLICE in exercising a Warrant may do whatever they deem needed to "protect" themselves, even if that mean refusing to take the keys from the owner and instead use a battering Ram (The Majority called such a decision by the Police "Reasonable" and THUS not a Fact in dispute. Thus the decision NOT to use the keys offered to them and use the Battering Ram was within the Police discretion on how to enforce the Search Warrant and protect themselves (and the Plaintiff NOT eligible for any relief).

Note both the Majority and the dissent agree to what the actual legal test was, the dispute was over whether the use of the Battering Ram Reasonable as a matter of law as opposed to a matter of fact. The Majority said by law what the Police did was reasonable as a matter of law, the dissent said that was a question of fact left up to a Jury to decide.
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OKthatsIT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 12:35 AM
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23. UNbelievable.
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