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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 09:22 PM
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CLELAND RIPPING 9/11 INVESTIGATIONS AND FOOTDRAGGING!! AWESOME!!
Please lock if this is a dupe
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 09:24 PM
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1. well shiat, at least give a source
a tv channel, a radio station, something!

it's almost as if you were expecting this to get locked in the first place
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 09:27 PM
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2. so sorry
PBS
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 09:27 PM
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3. On NOW with Moyers on PBS
THIS IS AWESOME!!!!!
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 09:29 PM
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4. This dude
with all his experience was FU*KING defeated by Diebold !!!! Wat a shame - we could sure use him in Congress. Thank GOD he's on the commission
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LeighAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 09:36 PM
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6. Comcast scrambled my PBS and CSpans
Wish I could watch it.

:^(
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 09:43 PM
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7. Ours tried putting Moyers on at 4 am.
They started getting fewer donations, and some irate phone calls. He now is on at 10 again.
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DeathvadeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 10:18 PM
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16. WTF WHY? N/T
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 09:33 PM
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5. To hell with all the candidates- CLELEND FOR PRESIDENT!
What an amazing fighter this man is! And he fights the GOOD fight!

Thank you, Max!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 09:47 PM
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9. ...and Max does it with a strong voice
and one good arm. He was great!

I never miss "Now" with Bill Moyers - just sorry that Bill Moyers couldn't have interviewed Max instead of that Howard (whore) from CNN.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 10:04 PM
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11. THE DIRTY BASTARDS SCREWED HIM
Few believed Republican Saxby Chambliss could paint Sen. Max Cleland, a veteran who lost both legs and an arm in Vietnam, as soft on national security. But that's just what the conservative congressman did to score a surprising victory over the one-term Democrat.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/2002-11-06-chambliss_x.htm

Chambliss, 59, a four-term congressman from Moultrie, was virtually unknown in Atlanta and its Republican suburbs, where a hefty share of Georgia voters reside. But his message that Cleland was too liberal for Georgia resonated statewide. He cited the incumbent's vote on a proposed department of homeland security; Cleland had sided with fellow Democrats by insisting that workers' civil-service protections be retained. Chambliss even ran a TV ad picturing Cleland with Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden.

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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 10:11 PM
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13. The odd, odd bit about that race...
... is that Cleland is pretty conservative--pretty hawkish on defense, fairly conservative on a host of other issues. Not in Zell Miller's league, mind you, but conservative. He would have been expected to get a fair number of cross-over votes from non-winger Republicans.

And, Chambliss ran an exceedingly dirty campaign. One would think that Georgians would have been repulsed by Chambliss impugning Cleland's patriotism. All the more reason to be wary of the way the vote went.
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 10:16 PM
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14. vote fraud is odd, die boldly, vns assures the test
couplet on the doublet in the war vets chest
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 07:13 AM
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31. If Diebold machines were used in Georgia
was Cleland's election fixed?
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chaumont58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 09:47 PM
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8. I watched just a bit of that show and.....
that is the clearest shot I have ever had of Senator Cleland, with his two stumps where his legs once were, and the empty right sleeve of his suit jacket flapping as he jestured. Then I thought of the great state of Georgia, and all those motherfuckers that choose a chickenhawk over one who left three of his limbs in VietNam. Ain't this a great county. Ain't it really a great fuckin' county.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 10:17 PM
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15. But are we really sure they really did?
Is it possible the Georgians voted with decency and humanity and their votes were changed for them?
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 09:53 PM
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10. Is this story written anywhere? Any books.
The general public should have the story of what the cabal did to him. This country messed him up twice.
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agingdem Donating Member (893 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 10:25 PM
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18. Max!
A little over a year ago, I was at the Borgata in Scottsdale. A small crowd had gathered around a man in a wheelchair. It was Max Cleland. I introduced myself and told him that I was an admirer. He actually gave me a hug.
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 10:06 PM
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12. mp3 & transcript here
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indictrichardperle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 10:18 PM
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17. thanks for the transcript,.... wow-powerful stuff
Cleland says it is a quagmire in Iraq, we can not win, that Iraqis will fight us for 5000 years, that you cant impose democracy with 150,000 troops....that we better go beg the UN and all those countries we "dissed" like France and Germany to help us, that we are in trouble.

Max, is fired up because he visited the troops in the hospital, the blinded and those that had legs blown off. Think Saxby Chambliss will do that ? :puke:
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 10:33 PM
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19. Ralph Reed was behind the attacks on Cleland,
Edited on Fri Jul-25-03 10:35 PM by young_at_heart
according to "inside sources" (don't forget he's connected to the Christian Coalition). What they did to Cleland was below the belt....where is their shame!
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 10:47 PM
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22. Yes Ralph was the brains behind TOOTHLESS SAXBY
"It's like guerrilla warfare. If you reveal your location, all it does is allow your opponent to improve his artillery bearings. It's better to move quietly, with stealth, under cover of night. You've got two choices: You can wear cammies and shimmy along on your belly, or you can put on a red coat and stand up for everyone to see. It comes down to whether you want to be the British army in the Revolutionary War or the Vietcong. History tells us which tactic was more effective."--Ralph Reed, Los Angeles Times, 3/22/92

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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 07:05 AM
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30. re: shiney Ralphie
Where's a recruiting sargent when you need one?
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 11:09 PM
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24. And Ralph Reed now has a national position with the RNC
doesn't he?

"Reed once said of his political strategy: "I want to be invisible. I do guerrilla warfare. I paint my face and travel at night. You don't know it's over until you're in a body bag. You don't know until election night."

<snip>

"In 1999, Reed was hired directly by the Bush campaign as a senior advisor, while remaining on Enron's payroll. After John McCain won the New Hampshire primary, Bush turned publicly to Reed -- who is widely credited with delivering the critical victory in South Carolina to Bush, by mobilizing Christian Right voters in that state. This mobilization included the mass distribution of a flier linking McCain to "homosexual groups." The Bush victory in South Carolina was, as Bill Berkowitz put it, "a grand old coming out party for the Christian Right." "

Working for Change 02-01-02
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 01:16 AM
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28. Turd Ralph was chief of Georgia pukes
Putting Made Marion Robertson's boy toy in charge of Georgia made sure the GOP would knock out Cleland. In Missouri, they had someone put the kibbosh on Mrs. Carnahan, probably one of Ashcan's hand-picked Crisco cranks.

If they can't assassinate a candidate's character, like they did Max Cleland, they seem willing to do the real thing. I won't forget what these, stooges for the BFEE, did to Wellstone.

Here's an earful of the fascists' post-election glee:


ELECTION 2002
Ralph Reed Discusses Georgia’s Republican Revolution

November 7, 2002

CBN.com – November 5, 2002 was a historic Election Day across the nation, and Georgia Republicans contributed some big headlines that day. Pat Robertson spoke with Ralph Reed, chairman of the Georgia Republican Party, about how Republican candidates pulled off their big upset, and about what might happen first in the new Congress. ]/i]

PAT ROBERTSON: With us is one of the key architects of voter turnout and the Republicans' surprise victories in Georgia. In addition to Saxby Chambliss's upset, Georgians also shocked the political experts by electing their first Republican governor in 135 years.

Georgia's Republican Party Chairman Ralph Reed is deservedly getting a lot of credit for those wins. He's with us now from Atlanta.

Ralph, you took over a rather moribund party there and suddenly you’ve become the tiger. How did you do it and what happened?

RALPH REED: Pat as is often the case with a great victory like this, it was a team effort. The bulk of the credit goes to our candidates. We had in Sonny Perdue, our new governor-elect, a former Georgia Senate majority leader, a successful agri-businessman, he was a great candidate. He ran a grassroots campaign, and the fact that he did not have Roy Barnes's financial resources actually worked to his benefit because it forced him and our other candidates to win the old-fashioned way — neighbor to neighbor, friend to friend, grassroots.

Saxby Chambliss, our new senator is a respected four-term congressman, very well liked by the President, and the President came in here early and often for him. He, too, built a strong grassroots organization. And Saxby is chairman of the House Subcommittee on Counter-Terrorism and Homeland Security. He’s a leader in Washington, on agriculture, on the budget, on education, and he will be an impact player in the Senate immediately.

CONTINUED...

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/news/021107d.asp
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 10:37 PM
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20. saxby is a chicken hawk mother fucker
THERE I SAID IT
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 10:43 PM
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21. MORE ON THIS LOW LIFE SCUM
An example of Chambliss' hypocrisy is the outrageous manner in which he's attacked his opponent, Sen. Max Cleland, as being soft on terrorism and defense -- even airing a TV ad that suggestively showed a photo of the disabled Vietnam vet in sequence with shots of Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden -- despite the fact that Chambliss, who avoided military service, voted against U.S. military intervention to halt the genocide in Kosovo.

On the civil liberties front, Chambliss supported the "Know Your Customer" regulations directing banks to spy on customers, and opposed civil asset forfeiture reform holding law-enforcement officials to stricter standards of proof.

http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/2002-10-30/news_scalawag.html
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ianbruce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 12:07 AM
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26. If Chanbliss had ran billboards...
They'd look like this:

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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 01:02 AM
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27. If Chambliss had run billboards...
Edited on Sat Jul-26-03 01:17 AM by BrotherBuzz
They would have been on Clear Channel billboards!
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 12:07 AM
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25. quicktime video here
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 10:48 PM
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23. Way to come out swinging Cleland!!!......Miss ya bud!!!!
YEP......I read the 911 investigation and if Sen. Grahm the
dem presidential candidate can say he is proud of that
irresponsible piece of crap he calls an investigation,
he's got another thing coming!!!

There are more loop holes than a 2 ton block of swiss cheese has!!!

They need to go to court to get the information out of the WH!!!

This is absurd!!!!

What is Sen. Grahm trying to hide????
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SideshowScott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 03:30 AM
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29. What the GOP did to Cleland was beyond unforgiveable
I dont think the GOP could go any lower than to question the patriotim of a man who not olny served is country faithfully and made sacrifices that no chickenhawk republican would even consider..Cleland ROCKS..Everytime he speaks he talks of a man WHO should be represeting his beloved country..He should run agian!
Everytime i think cleland i think why im a democrat and what scumbags the GOP is
scott
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Best_man23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 07:43 AM
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32. The People of Georgia
Need to send back Max Cleland to the Senate (perhaps as a replacement for Zell Miller).
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