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Nambe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 08:07 PM
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Powell still undecided, says Obama win would be 'electrifying'
Source: CNN

Former Bush Secretary of State Colin Powell said Monday that he has not yet decided which candidate to back in this year’s presidential race.

The election of an African-American president “would be electrifying,” Powell told a George Washington University audience, “but at the same time make a judgment here on which would be best for America.

“I have been watching both individuals, I know them both extremely well, and I have not decided who I am going to vote for. And I'm interested to see what the debates are going to be like because we have to get off of this ‘lipstick on a pig’ stuff and get into issues,” he said. ...

Read more: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/15/powell-still-undecided-says-obama-win-would-be-electrifying/
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 08:09 PM
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1. Powell will vote for him, but we won't find out about it until
Barack has won.

I don't think that he is particularly courageous.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 08:13 PM
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5. You don't get to be General by being courageous
Ask Zapp Brannigan.
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 12:23 AM
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30. It is possible for a person to outlive his talent and courage.
Such is the case with the once much-admired Powell.


I'll retract that statement if he comes down off the fence and picks Obama, dammit...
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 08:10 PM
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2. Did he have a vial of what's "best for America" with him to display ?
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 08:10 PM
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3. Dumber than a stump!!
Thought he would know better?
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 08:24 PM
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7. Powell is one of the smartest, most ethical people in America...your comment must have been...
Edited on Mon Sep-15-08 08:25 PM by George II
....BRAGGING
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:18 PM
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18. You're calling the guy who covered up My Lai and lied about Iraq ETHICAL???
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Your comment must have been

A CROCK OF SHIT.
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:37 PM
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22. See below.....and....
"covered up My Lai"? Enough!!!

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iconicgnom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:32 PM
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20. most ethical in the US? The guy who stood in front of the UN and told the world lie after lie?
That's what makes for the "smartest, most ethical people in America" nowadays?
Even when, once lies are accepted as the norm human rationality itself has been eliminated -- which brings us to the Republican campaign '08?

Thank God Almighty I don't live in the USA!!!
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:34 PM
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21. He has since acknowledged that he was lied to, and all but apologized for his UN presentation
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iconicgnom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 11:27 PM
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28. Give us a break! After which, GWB was elected a 2nd time.
And of course, they ALL say that they were "lied to"; there isn't one of them who doesn't, except GWB himself, the ultimate victim, who hides behind "executive privilege" (absolute immunity to legal norms) while Pelosi and Reid give him the argument, implying that yes, lies of this magnitude are "normal", and it is "normal" for this kind of lie to be implicitly exhonorated by claims to "executive privilege". As "non-partisan" an ethic, or lack of, as it gets.

Let me explain a rock-bottom fact. Any nation of people who accept as normal that their leaders lie to them, lie to the world at large, and hold no concept of honor, is a nation of slaves. Period. And that's what the US has become, your hero Colin Powell being proof of the matter.
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 11:42 AM
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36. So I suppose in your eyes one shouldn't acknowledge one's mistakes?
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iconicgnom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 12:30 PM
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38. It wasn't a "mistake", the whole speech was nothing but LIE after LIE;
and he didn't "acknowledge" it, he tried to excuse it after it became impossible not to ignore the fact that everybody KNEW he lied. As if he and the gov't he represented as Sec. of State were innocent of it, as if he and the GWB admin were innocent dupes of lower level functionaries.

If he were in fact "lied to" on that scale, on issues of that magnitude, it would be high treason and he'd know exactly who did the lying, who their bosses and associates were, yet neither he nor his people did ANYTHING to bring these liars to account. What a surprise!

He and the GWB admin he was core part of wasn't just lying to the world, when he spoke before the UN. He was lying to *you*, to all US citizens, and worse, to the citizens of Iraq, the country the US promptly destroyed, using those lies as pretext. These weren't little white lies and schoolyard fibs. These lies were the foundation of a systematic disinformation campaign by a corrupt global military power intent on committing war crimes.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 08:13 PM
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4. He's gotta just be saying that to be politically safe. There is no way
he would vote for McCain. As pissed and disappointed as I am with Powell, I believe he's far too intelligent to even consider putting McCain - and therefore Palin -- into the Oval Office.


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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 08:25 PM
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8. yeah he's brilliant!
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 08:30 PM
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9. I think you are right. I don't think he could pull the lever for McCain with Palin as the back up.
He knows the odds are too high that Palin would end up as CIC and her flippant "perhaps so" response to the question about war with Russia has to be all he needed to hear to kill any chance of him voting for McCain. Condi too I suspect.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 08:18 PM
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6. Powell has shown us one thing, how worthless he is /nt
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rg123 Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 08:31 PM
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10. He is a War Criminal
and unless CNN is reporting a story of Powell going on trail for war crimes I don't think anything he says is worth reporting. Even up till this very moment he knows thousands upon thousands have died because of the deception he committed against the American people.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 08:40 PM
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13. Electrifying? I think lethal injection might be used nowadays. nt
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aquamarina Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 08:32 PM
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11. Powell is and always was a soldier - he's good at following orders.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 08:40 PM
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12. Kesasso
Kesasso

I have many soldiers in my family, both present and former.. On my mother side I am in a Line of soldiers, back to the 16 century.. In modern time every single of them have managed to use their brain.... I guess my old grand father would round himself in his grave if he know I am a pacifist shrug: But again, he was officer in the army...

I feel sorry for Powell. He was at least the respectable face of the first George Walker Bush jr Administration.. Today the case is that he is failed.... and have no credibility what so ever...

But as you pointed out.. Powell have always been good at following orders, even if it was against better judgment.. And he really screw it when hi represented it for the Security Council in 2002-2003...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language.
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NeoConsSuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 08:44 PM
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14. One thing Obama does not need
is an endorsement from a war criminal.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 02:38 AM
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31. Agree. An endorsement from Powell is only
going to hurt Obama, that kind of endorsement he can do without.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 08:44 PM
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15. Powell wants a role in the administration of whover gets elected.
He can't get that if he endorses the loser.
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 10:10 PM
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25. Methinks you are correct! nt
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 08:46 PM
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16. I think that he doesn't want his Obama endorsement to be devalued with the
Edited on Mon Sep-15-08 08:49 PM by FrenchieCat
He's just endorsing him because he's Black retort that the McCain Camp would start to whisper.

Unfortunately, I don't blame him. Of course, that would never be implied of a White General endorsing McCain....but you know, White Privilege is called White for a reason.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:16 PM
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17. unbelieveable....
....is the lying tom general going to pass up the opportunity to support and vote for an admirals son?....a Republican admirals son?....

....hey colin-gas, haven't you been dazzled enough by mcsames brilliant selection of caribou-barbie?....where is that old corporate loyalty to the Republican Party, the Party you love so much?

....outside of sitting on one of those useless blue ribbon commissions, Obama's not going to hire you for anything important....no matter how long you hedge your bet or suck his ass....

....if he does, I'll personally vomit then call him bad names....
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:18 PM
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19. Powell is a gutless coward
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:47 PM
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23. Out of the fear
of being sent to a re-education camp, Powell can't outright support the most qualified candidate. The Bush cartel would have him under wraps in an eye blink.
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thewall77 Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 09:55 PM
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24. Powell is saving his endorsement for late October
When it will hurt McCain the most.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 02:44 AM
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32. Keeping some fingers crossed on that one! n/t
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 11:17 PM
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26. What a wimp! Powell is second only to McCain in falling from
hero to goat status. Now, he apparently wants to fall some more.
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tomhayes Donating Member (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 04:05 AM
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34. > falling from hero to goat status
Be careful what you say, the term goat stands for Greatest Of All Time in both the hip-hop world and the online world.

(Although the less preferred definitions may fit your purposes: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=G.O.A.T )

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 11:23 PM
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27. For a second, I thoought it said "Powell still unindicted:. nt
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cyr330 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 11:39 PM
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29. Powell is a lying asshole.
Remember his enabling the war in Iraq? Nonetheless, his endorsement would be powerful. I DO loathe him though.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 03:42 AM
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33. Powell needs to endorse Obama!
I think Powell will see which way the wind is blowing before making a decision about who to endorse.

If we can get Obama back up in the polls, ahead of McCain, I wouldn't be surprised to see Powell endorse Obama.

I know some people here hate Powell, but Americans like him and his endorsement certainly wouldn't hurt!
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lanlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 04:54 AM
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35. f****ng coward
Powell's undecided? Bull feathers. He's just too cowardly to come out and state who he supports.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 11:49 AM
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37. He is acting like a wal mart mom n/t
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