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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 08:45 AM
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2011 Chevrolet Volt: First Production Photos
Source: www.thecarconnection.com

These photos of the production 2011 Chevrolet Volt were released moments ago on a media information Web site.

The pictures of the production Volt show all the details we've been bringing you for the past months--along with the GM engineers in charge of developing the vehicle.

We'll be talking to those engineers and GM vice chairman Bob Lutz next week, as TheCarConnection.com heads to the Renaissance Center for the world debut of the Volt. Keep this page bookmarked for more photos and more details as they emerge this week--and stay tuned next Tuesday for all the coverage of the Volt we can possibly generate.

UPDATE: GM says the photo release this morning was an accident.


Read more: http://blogs.thecarconnection.com/blogs/marty_blog/2011/2010-chevrolet-volt-first-production-photos/
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didact Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 08:47 AM
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1. Nice looking vehicle
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 08:51 AM
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3. I knew the original boxy shape wasn't going to cut it, aerodynamically speaking,
but they still maintained relatively sporty vibe about it...
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:57 AM
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14. Umm, really?
It seems to have worked out pretty well with Cadillacs...

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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:45 AM
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33. Yeah, I'd call the original design boxy -


in terms of the big frontal area. Besides, nothing with the Cadillac label is really engineered as a "mileage monster"...
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CRF450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 07:37 PM
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116. Thats a re-badged Corvette.
Which boggles my mind why GM would rebadge a such an awsome car.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 08:48 AM
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2. Nice car but who are all those dudes?
Where are the requisite scantily clad fender lizards?
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:10 AM
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18. They're trying to appeal to the mid-upperclass white people...
While there still is a mid-upperclass...
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:54 AM
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35. As a mid-upperclass (straight) white male
They don't do much for me.
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CRF450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 07:35 PM
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115. Fender lizards?? Come on man...
If your talking about attractive women in bikinis, thats kinda harsh.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 08:51 AM
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4. DELETED
Edited on Tue Sep-09-08 08:52 AM by Trajan
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Demonaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 08:52 AM
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5. get out of the way! couldnt they have picked a few hot girls instead
Edited on Tue Sep-09-08 08:52 AM by Demonaut
these GQ rejects, bad start to an ad campaign...umm like a couple of hot brunettes in hemp bikinis
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TommyO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 08:54 AM
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6. I suspect they're people from the design team
and not part of any ad campaign for the car.
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 02:31 PM
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63. Wouldn't hemp be kind of itchy?
I mean, in the wrong places?
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michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 08:59 AM
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7. That one is a foam mock-up
There's still a little tweeking to be done but the production model will be close.
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Indydem Donating Member (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:05 AM
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8. Good job geniuses....
I would have tried to find a way to buy the concept car design they showed at the auto shows last year, but that ugly POS will not be in my driveway.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:59 AM
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15. Continue with your reign of pollution then
:eyes:
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:21 AM
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22. So it is this ugly duckling or one is a polluter? B.S. There will be other choices.
The burden is on GM to prove it can produce an electric car for the 21st Century that has some curb appeal. So far they have swung and missed. Strike one.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:32 AM
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25. Please enlighten us...
on these other choices that go 40 miles without burning a drop of gasoline and which costs pennies to fill up?
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:40 AM
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27. Err - where is it that I can buy this car, exactly? Not to mention that the first of anything is
usually not the best buy.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:41 AM
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29. It is coming out soon....
Agree that the 1st is usually not the best, but that didn't stop many Prius owners.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:44 AM
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32. Prius was not the first. Insight (Honda) was.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 12:36 PM
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110. Hybrid were popular prior to 1905, but then Gasoline Engine got better
Edited on Wed Sep-10-08 12:49 PM by happyslug

http://editorial.autos.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=435222

Basically the invention of the Carburetor made the Gasoline engine so efficient that Electric and Hybrid drives just died out. Now the Carburetor was invented in 1886, by Karl Benz (The Benz of Mercedes-Benz Fame) had the exclusive use of it till the Patent expired 15 years later (i.e. 1901). Thus the expansion of Cars after 1900, including the Ford Model T which came into production only in 1905. Improvements were made during the 15 year period but Carburetors really came into their own as the patent expired.

For more on the carburetor:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carburetor.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 12:23 PM
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40. try here for starters-
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 12:52 PM
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44. I like tesla....
but they've sold less than 1000 of their roadsters and they aren't exactly affordable. I think the Volt has potential to make electric cars common.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 01:07 PM
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46. how many volts has gm sold...? and how affordable are they?
:shrug:

tesla's next car is planned to be a much less expensive sports sedan:

Just the Beginning

While the Tesla Roadster's sticker price is in a league with other high-performance sports cars with similar specs, we recognize it's out of reach for a lot of people. We consciously chose to develop a high-end sports car as our first car in order to develop the “performance DNA” from which we could create other electric vehicles. Our next model will leverage the Tesla Roadster‘s technology, resulting in a less expensive sports sedan that we can sell at higher volume...
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 01:11 PM
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47. I'm just giving projections...
I'll be waiting for the next Tesla as well, but looks like the Volt will be here much sooner.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 01:18 PM
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48. and how much will it cost...?
much above 25K is going to be out of reach for many many americans anyway.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 01:22 PM
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49. I think anything under 40K
is pretty reasonable. Especially when the fill up cost for short commutes is virtually nothing.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 01:24 PM
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51. maybe for you...i wouldn't be able to pay 40K, 30K would be a huge stretch.
lots of us will be driving internal combustion vehicles for quite awhile longer.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 01:31 PM
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54. I'm sure the price point will come down quickly....
I imagine that the majority of vehicles driven in the US range from upper 20's to mid 30's based on what I see sitting in traffic each morning.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 01:33 PM
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56. i think that you're imagining things...or you live in a more well-off area.
20-22k is closer to the average i see.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 01:54 PM
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58. Looks like its....
28.4K which is what I would expect. You also have to figure if you were initially paying 100$ a month in gas, and all electric car at a higher price may still be worth it.

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/autos/aut11.shtm
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 03:50 PM
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74. that's the average price of a NEW car...lots of us have NEVER bought a new car.
Edited on Tue Sep-09-08 03:52 PM by QuestionAll
and probably never will. i'd be willing to bet that a fairly large percentage- close to half(or even more) of the cars on the road were not purchased new by the current owners.

we currently spend about $125/month on gas -between two vehicles...both purchased used.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 03:56 PM
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75. Well...
Since we are talking about new cars, that is the figure that I used. Will be a long time before you can get a used Volt at a steep discount. Much the way Prius' hold their value. I envy your low gas expense. I spend that in a week.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 05:59 PM
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76. like i said- a LOT of people will be driving internal combustion engines for quite awhile to come.
nt
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:30 PM
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83. I don't necessarily think that...
I see many people running around with iphones and buying new Accords. We will just have to wait and see.
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daggahead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:17 AM
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9. LOL!
I find it ironic that Bob "Global Warming is BS" Lutz is "posing" with the Volt. What a fraud he is!
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:34 AM
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10. They turned a cool sports car into a Camry.
Oh well, the technology is still cool.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 02:15 PM
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59. Yeah, WTF! If they expect people to plunk down 40K for an electric frumpmobile...
they've got another thing coming.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 02:30 PM
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62. Try 28K n/t
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 02:46 PM
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65. 40K was I read earlier, of course that's before government incentives
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:37 AM
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11. OK, I'm disappointed.
That grill is just plain ugly.

I thought the concept car looked a little more like the concept Camaro.
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:46 AM
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12. The concept car looked a hell of a lot better.
This one looks like typical GM disposable, plastic crap.

Way to go GM, you've made a great car less appealing.
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:53 AM
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13. You would think that GM could have taken just a hint of design
clues from these guys, who have been building electric cars for a few years now.



Why does GM magically turn everything it touches to shit?
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:13 AM
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19. I think Apple should start designing cars. Maybe just do the designs
and sell them to whatever car company wants to buy them. I don't like the design of almost any car companies right now. Of the new cars I really only like the look of some of the Saturn's.
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:45 AM
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39. That car was styled by Lotus, a former subsidiary of GM.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 01:33 PM
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55. Lotus has been around since 1952. GM owned it for 7 years, 1986 - 1993.
I sincerely doubt that GM had much influence over the design of any Lotus products when they owned Lotus, let alone any current products.
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ptolle Donating Member (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:16 PM
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113. lotus
Pays to keep in mind that the Tesla is basically a Lotus Elise. The guys at Tesla only had to modify a damn good chassis to fit their power and motivation package. Had to have saved them a bundle on R&D costs.Colin Chapman's old outfit knows how to do engineering.Still it's a good look, if not a step, forward.I'm old enough to remember when the gas turbine was going to be the future of automotive propulsion even to the point of Chrysler putting a few into the publics hands. I'm not exactly sure why that didn't pan out, but given the characteristics of that technology I've often wondered why it couldn't be married to hybrid technology.One would hope that economies of scale would quickly drive the Volt down into affordable range.Detroit in general and GM in particular need a jolt of something and this could be it.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:01 AM
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16. Looks similar, but better than the Prius....
And of course people are still complaining. Makes me wonder if there isn't just a bias AGAINST American made items.
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uncle ray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:27 AM
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24. news flash!
some people care about what their cars look like. the changes that are done to improve aerodynamics and yet still have a comfortable car ruin the looks of efficient cars to many people. the insight and prius were ugly cars to many people's eyes. the volt isn't much better. it's a plain, boring commuter car. i LIKE the fact that they are making hybrids and electric cars, but i'll never own an ugly car. sorry for disappointing you.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:40 AM
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28. Some of us would rather put our money where our...
mouths are. I would like to drive a 69 camaro as a daily driver, but just won't do it.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:48 AM
Response to Reply #28
34. High horse alert. Get over yourself. Asking for better design AND efficiency is a reasonable thing
to ask. After all these years, GM still doesn't "get it", even after getting their hats handed to them for years by Toyota and Honda.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:58 AM
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36. So give us some examples of cars you would buy?
What exactly do you want it to look like? A Ferrari? A Lotus?
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:36 AM
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38. I am not shopping for a car right now. And I told you, I will know it when I see it.
I know what I don't want it to look like - same old same old GM junk.

I mostly drive a ten year old Honda motorcycle now. When it rains, a 5 year old Honda Civic. On principle and to save money, I do not buy new vehicles. I appreciate old design if it is good design. GM peaked with the 1955-57 Chevys imo. They did ok with the 1958 to 1965 Chevy Impala, but since then it has been mostly downhill. They really lost ground to foreign car makers from 1970 to present. I owned a 1976 Chevette, by the way. It got at best 25 mpg highway (1.4 liter engine automatic, no AC - this was when similar Toyotos and Datsuns got 30 mpg +) and broke 4 timing belts. I finally traded it at 90,000 miles before it quit for good. Pathetic. Last POS GM car I have owned. Ford hasn't been a whole lot better. They hit a homerun in 1964 with the Mustang but lost the magic in the early 1970s also (BTW, the 1964 Mustang equipped wit. Yes the new Mustangs are kind of fun but for me they mostly are reminiscent of what has been lost. And decent mpg? Forget it. Time to move on, Ford.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #38
64. You're basing your current understanding of GM on a Chevette you owned 32 years ago?
Wow.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 03:04 PM
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68. No. I have a few years of observation since then, researching cars when I was ready to buy, reading
Consumer Reports and Edmunds owner reviews, etc. I don't have to own junk to know it is junk. And furthermore any company that would foist a car like the Chevette and the Vega, the Oldsmobile Diesel and the Chevette Diesel, among others, on consumers is a company that does not care about consumers and has the burden of proving otherwise as far as I am concerned. Until they start giving away the cars, it is my money thank you and they need to PROVE that they can be trusted if they want any of it. After owning Ford, Mercury, Chrysler, Mazda, Toyota, and GM products, I now own three Hondas, two Civics and a motorcycle, and they are the best vehicles, hands down, that I have ever owned in my forty some years of vehicle ownership. So if GM wants my business, let them produce vehicles that get top ratings by Consumer Reports and owners. I will not hold my breath.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #68
71. Maybe if you had owned a Honda or Toyota in the 70's
or early eighties then you'd have a different perspective. Talk about pieces of underpowered junk.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:03 PM
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79. Well they kept improving, didn't they? Unlike GM, who just kept churning out the crappy cars.
And still are, by the way. Look an any independent reviews of cars for the past twenty five years, for Christ's sake.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:31 PM
Response to Reply #79
84. Have you even checked the reviewsin the last 10 years?
Cadillac CTS won all sorts of awards this year and that isn't the only GM or Ford model to do very well.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 10:41 AM
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100. I am not in the market for a Cadillac - hardly a typical GM car. But to answer your question, yes.
I check reviews every time I am in the market for a car. I don't assume that just because it is a certain make it will be good or bad - every company produces a lemon now and then. But I must say, on the whole that Honda and Toyota produced less lemons than did GM and Ford over the last 25 years. Sorry, but you just can't make the case otherwise.

I do know that the Cadillac Cimarron was a stinker because I knew a guy who owned one. Basically a Chevy Cavalier with Cadillac emblems - typical of the way GM (and Ford) have tried to fool customers for years.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 11:04 AM
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105. Cadillac is hardy a typical GM car?
Seriously?

Toyota leads car manufacturers by far in recalls. You can confirm that.

Cadillac Cimarron wasn't great, but neither was the forgotten Toyota Echo.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #105
108. Yes seriously. On what basis would you say Cadillac is "typical" of GM?
Get real.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 11:29 AM
Response to Reply #108
109. Its owned by GM...
and it makes up a good part of their fleet and sales. How much more do they need?
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #71
82. Want to hear a story about those Hondas?
My grandparents in the 1970s got an extra car because their big car was not good for gas. Grandfather had worked for Ford and his sister still had a job with Ford when they replaced the car. So anyway, they got a first generation Civic. I never heard a complaint about that car. After about 10 years, grandpa's sister is able to get grandma a good deal on an Escort to replace the aging civic. Grandma drove that car and hated it. After 5 years she traded it in for a 3rd generation civic which she loved and the car lasted for 19 years. Now this was within a family that had connections to the auto industry, and even they saw no reason to turn a blind eye when US companies offered shitty products.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:33 PM
Response to Reply #82
85. Those 1970's Hondas were horrible...
and I'm a fan from a collectors standpoint. Mechanically, I wouldn't laud them though. Your grandparents got very lucky.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #85
87. It was in their experience a better car than the escort of ten years later.
And these were people who had a stake in US cars. If that's their judgement do you realize how hard it is for many to give a fuck at all about the US auto companies?
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 04:35 AM
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88. Our family had a 70's toyota - fantastic car - drove it to over
300,000 miles. Traded down to every kid in the family before it finally died of old age. If I could my hands on another one low miles it'd be in my garage!
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 08:56 AM
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91. What model?
I had an 82 BMW that had 400K on it(one of my favorite cars of all time). Also had a Cutlass Supreme that was about to break 200K before it got fun over by a semi.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #91
104. I think it was a "corona?" That little square box.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 08:54 AM
Response to Reply #87
90. It may have been there opinion....
but they may one of the only ones who would say that.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 09:43 AM
Response to Reply #90
93. I think the exodus of customers from American cars to Japanese cars shows that they weren't alone
Cars cost serious money. Companies that build shit don't get trusted again for a long time
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 09:52 AM
Response to Reply #93
95. That did not happen in the 70's
Lets not forget that the Ford Taurus(think Robocop) was the #1 selling car in the world.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 10:09 AM
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97. The 70s was when people had experiences with US and Japanese cars that determined...
what they would buy the next decade.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #97
101. Huh?
And so that made them buy Ford Taurus' in droves 10 years later? :shrug:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 10:55 AM
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102. plonk
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 10:55 AM
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103. Actually it did. The Ford Taurus (1986) was Ford's answer to Japanese and European cars.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #103
106. You could say that any model...
Was the answer to previous models. Actually, the taurus was a replacement for the LTD.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:04 AM
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17. Looks aerodynamically similar to the Insight and Prius.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:18 AM
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20. Looks fairly conventional GM to me. Sorry but GM needs some new designers.
And this release was no accident, unless "trial balloons" are now considered accidents.
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TommyO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:21 AM
Response to Reply #20
21. I think it's one of the better interpretations of Chevy's design language.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:26 AM
Response to Reply #21
23. Well that isn't saying much. Maybe they need a new language.
Why should an all electric car look like an internal combustion engine car anyway? They need to show some imagination. It is as if the early carmakers couldn't get away from the horseless carriage look.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #23
26. What would you suggest?
Given size/weight/air restrictions? Let's not forget that this is the FIRST version.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:42 AM
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31. Exactly. A good reason to wait for something better from a company that has a better track record
for innonative design. I am not a car designer but I will know it when I see it. This is not IT.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:59 AM
Response to Reply #31
37. I have a feeling that the only way you will be satisfied...
Is if it had a Toyota or Honda badge on the front. Kind of like how the Toyota Matrix outsells the Pontiac Vibe even though they are essentially the same car.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 01:24 PM
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50. Nice try at shifting blame to the consumer. The GM track record is not defensible. They had a
moderately successful electric car and they recalled all of them and crushed them. It is up to GM to prove they can get it right this time. They have had their opportunities. Why would you defend GM? How do we know they are not going to recall the Volt and crush it? Fool me once.....
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 01:49 PM
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57. GM will sabotage this one just like the EV-1 and then whine they
need help to keep from going bankrupt. Our gov't will use our tax dollars to help them, etc. etc. The cycle goes on.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 02:28 PM
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61. Nice conspiracy...
Seems like they may not want to spend so much money on advertising then.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 02:27 PM
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60. The EV-1 had plenty of problems...
Inferior battery technology, inability to run in inclement weather, etc. The Volt looks like it can fit the bill of an everyday car.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 02:47 PM
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66. So you are defending GM's actions on the EV-1? Do you work for GM?
Just curious. Because I don't see how anyone could defend GM's actions. Batteries can be replaced with better batteries. Problems can be fixed. GM did not try.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 03:11 PM
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69. Nope...
But I do understand their logic. They had a buggy electric car which was an excellent concept, but not great in the real world yet. The market was also moving toward SUV's and large trucks in droves at the time as well so GM moved with the market. Not the nimblest of moves, but I can at least understand it. Now it looks like they may have a winner. I just am rooting for them and not against them.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 03:16 PM
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72. They put one on the showroom floor, for sale, and I will be rooting for them
Until then it is all vapor ware hype.
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Regret My New Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #26
41. I want one with flames and a propeller...
That would make it WIN.
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TommyO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #23
67. Because even electric cars are driven by people
who have to fit in them and drive them.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 03:14 PM
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70. Just like a horse drawn carriage. Yet about the only similarity between a modern car and
a horse drawn carriage is that they both have seats and wheels. I am neither an engineer nor a car designer, but would be willing to bet that someone is going to realise fairly quickly that an all electric car can be designed radically different from current cars just as modern cars quickly no longer looked like horseless carriages. Try again GM.
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jakefrep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #20
43. "conventional GM" - still better looking than any Toyota. (nt)
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 01:26 PM
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52. Your opinion. The world marketplace disagrees with you.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #20
73. GM just needs to import some of the Vauxhall exterior design team.
Especially if they come from the VXR division.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:42 AM
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30. What worries me is
I am glad that they are finally getting on board. I think they are likely rushing these things to market though and will need to back them up with one hell of a warranty. I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot poll without at least a ten year warranty.

Any info on where they are being manufactured?
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Regret My New Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 12:37 PM
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42. Ehhhnn, looks fine to me...
Edited on Tue Sep-09-08 12:38 PM by Zevon fan
I guess I'm not sensitive enough to such issues or something. If it works and gets good mileage, then I'm good... Maybe I should just get a horse or a mule... A mule would probably be more my style.
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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 01:03 PM
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45. I like the color of the one in the pictures.
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Nambe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 01:29 PM
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53. Hydrogen fuel cell cars are the future but oily detroit will kill them...
for as long as they can. There are billions of dollars to be made in battery sales and the ruling corps want the dough.
Hydrogen can be produced in your garage. Honda has a plan.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/16/honda_fcx_production_spinal_tap_guy_buy/
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 06:04 PM
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77. Well crap...
they totally ruined it. I prefer the original design myself.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 06:48 PM
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78. I don't suppose it ever occurred to the designers...
1. A grille is on a car for two reasons: to bring in cooling air for the radiator, and to bring in air for combustion
2. The Chevrolet Volt has no radiator nor does it require combustion air

so therefore...

3. That ugly-ass grille that's on the front of this otherwise-acceptable car can go the fuck away.

If you can get around the God-awful grille, the car's not bad. It's got kind of a Prius/Insight feel to it.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #78
80. Exactly my point. No imagination whatsoever as to the possibilities.
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TommyO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 10:24 AM
Response to Reply #78
99. The Volt as it currently exists has a small gas engine
to charge the batteries for extended range.


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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #78
112. The Grille is mandated by European law in regard to car-pedestrians accidents.
Thus you will see more and more of that style front end. Remember the Volt, like most cars today, are NOT made just for the US market, but also for the rest of the world. Some changes occur do to different regulations (For example the Light Standards in the US and Europe are different so different headlights are used, the US requires a "Scatter-proof" windshield, so windshields in the US are laminated glass, Europe has no such regulation so their windshields tend to be stronger and cheaper, but when they break they break like side glasses in US cars, tempered Glass).

Now most of the changes needed between US and European Cars tend to be minor (Such as the different Windshields) but interchangeable but sometimes the car has to follow the rule of the Country that has a rule over a country that does NOT. Thus the Grill in small cars tend to follow European design specs do to this relativity new rule as to minimize injuries to pedestrians when hit by a car as slow speeds.
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phrenzy Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:32 PM
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81. GAG - They just lost a customer.
Edited on Tue Sep-09-08 09:36 PM by phrenzy
Wow, the Prius is ugly, but that looks like a CHEAP Prius! Holy shit, it's like they TRIED to make the shittiest looking car ever!

A FAKE GRILL?? I mean a FAKE FUCKING GRILL?!?! Are you kidding me?!?! It looks like a sticker was slapped on to the front!

Whoever those douchebags are posing in front of that abomination shouldn't be looking so smug. Are those the assholes responsible for this "design"?

There is no excuse for this. The new Camaro design proves they know what a "cool" design looks like. GMs "solstice" is a beauty too. But THIS?!?!

Call me shallow, but I would have absolutely bought the concept design, I wouldn't be caught dead in that POS.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:35 PM
Response to Reply #81
86. If its that importand to you...
you know that you can replace the grill with an aftermarket part right? :eyes:
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raebrek Donating Member (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 06:26 AM
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89. Has anyone seen a thread about the new 63.6mpg Ford (I haven't)
only to be released in Europe? Here is a link.

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/07/ford-econetic-fiesta-diesel-63mpg.php

Raebrek!!!
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 09:07 AM
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92. The Volt will be a status symbol for rich people
While the great unwashed masses(ME)who really need the gas savings will be stuck driving old gas hogs for the next 10 years or more.

Thanks for nothing GM.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 09:44 AM
Response to Reply #92
94. The same was said about the prius
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 09:53 AM
Response to Reply #94
96. And its still true unfortunately
At least 20 grand for a Prius. Thats a big car payment for a working class couple with kids in King George's America.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 11:08 AM
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107. How much do you want them to sell it for?
10 grand? Maybe they should take a loss with each vehicle? If it comes down to 20K with incentives then it will be a steal.
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Gen. Jack D. Ripper Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 10:15 AM
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98. Chevrolet is so heavily invested in the Volt, I wouldn't be surprised if
this production model changed between now and when it is introduced. There has been quite a consumer response, and it has been mixed to say the least, just since these "teaser" shots were "accidentally" released. Chevrolet needs to start listening to consumers (digression: how can American automakers be so out of touch with Americans, and why aren't they doing anything about it?) and do more market testing and research so when the final model comes off the assembly line, people will be lined up to buy one. If Apple has shown us anything, it's that people respond to innovative design just as much if not more than the technology itself. So much so, that they are willing to pay a premium price for it.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 12:55 PM
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111. I guess we'll see in a few years...
I guess we'll see in a few years whether it's a quality automobile or not.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:35 PM
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114. that looks just like the Honda Civic in Germany
things that make you go HMMMMM....

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cabbage08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 06:33 AM
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117. Any Specs available on it?
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