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gi4obama Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 02:37 AM
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FBI investigates hacked FEMA phones
Source: AP

Associated Press - August 27, 2008 3:13 AM ET

WASHINGTON (AP) - The FBI is investigating more than $12,000 in calls made when a hacker broke into the Federal Emergency Management Agency's phone system.

The hacker made more than 400 calls to the Middle East and Asia on a FEMA voicemail system in Emmitsburg, Maryland, two weekends ago. Calls were made to places like Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, India and Yemen. Some lasted up to 10 minutes.

One security expert says this type of low-tech and "old school" hacking was more popular 10 to 15 years ago.

Read more: http://www.wdam.com/Global/story.asp?S=8906615
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:07 AM
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1. there is irony here somewhere...
i'm sure fema can get bushit to make another little deal with the phone company and they'll wipe the bill clean
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:22 AM
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2. If it's so "10 to 15 years ago" how did it happen?
Isn't this one of the agencies supposed to keep U.S. safe?

They don't even have the decency to be embarrassed.
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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:29 AM
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4. Govt employees have a term for this
"your tax dollars at work"
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:33 AM
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10. My guess is someone read Mitnik's book and tricked a FEMA worker into giving them access. n/t
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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:28 AM
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3. My bet is that it was a soldier
calling buds to check on them.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 03:30 AM
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5. I thought we had no more troops in Saudi Arabia?
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gi4obama Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 04:18 AM
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6. There are troops everywhere.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 10:03 AM
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13. Good morning, gi4obama. That's what I get for believing the official story.
Speaking of everywhere, do you guys have a plan for getting your ballots counted? I hope you aren't going for that internet voting deal.
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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 04:49 AM
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7. Why not investigate Cindy Sheehan's tapped hotel phone from yesterday?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:33 AM
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11. Someone tapped Cindy's phone? n/t
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 12:14 PM
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15. No she's just paranoid
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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 02:23 PM
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17. sarcastic or stupid, taverner
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 04:23 PM
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18. I read that story
When I came home I found a guy cutting my lawn too. Do you think he was bugging my house?

Cindy Sheehan may have done some great things, but she also has the tendency to blow things out of proportion.

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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 06:09 AM
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19. Ah, I see. I have my answer to my question to you.
Somebody's IN HER HOTEL ROOM and that's not strange, apparently, for the DLCers around here.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:04 AM
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20. Maybe someone sent a stripper in a phone worker costume. n/t
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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 02:23 PM
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16. LINK
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 07:44 AM
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8. since all the phones are tapped, how come
they did not over hear this?

Or maybe it is just *citizen* phones tapped......hrmmmph
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 07:57 AM
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9. Weird. And the Associated Pukes, as per usual, are not very enlightening.
In fact, I'm convinced AP is doing psyops, generally. And this newsbit has some of the characteristics of their typical psyops writing techniques. (For instance, "one security expert says...". Why not name him or her? They often use this technique on Hugo Chavez--"his critics say...," no quotes, no attribution. Straight from the Bush State Department, I suspect.)

So, the questions to ask are: Where did this newsbit come from? (There is no attribution at all, for this info.) Why did the FBI release or leak it? Who released or leaked it? (An FBI "spokesman"? It doesn't say.) Is it part of a general psyops campaign to make us nervous and fearful? Is it part of a general psyops campaign to inure us to government incompetence (make us give up on government)? Or does it have a more specific purpose? Is it part of a "sting"? Are they building a case against someone? Did the FBI itself do the hacking, and next we'll see some innocent party indicted--someone the Bushites, or some corpo, wants to "get"?

The article is untrustworthy--and highly suspicious--on its face. No source--not even a vaguely identified anonymous source (anonymous because they 'are not authorized to speak about this investigation'). Nothing. No clue.

The last paragraph is interesting, because it points to some strange goings on at FEMA: "The voicemail system was recently installed, and is a traditional corporate phone network used by thousands of companies and government offices. Many companies are moving to an upgraded version."

All the goddamn money the Bush junta is spending on "national security" and they recently installed an antiquated, hackable phone system for FEMA, our emergency agency for national disasters?!!! And this critically important agency is furthermore using a system that is also used by "thousands" of private companies?

"Many companies" are "upgrading"--but not FEMA?!

Maybe it's a whistleblower, trying to point to yet more corrupt contracting by the Bush junta, in critical systems.

Not likely from the Associated Pukes, though. They are really bad dudes. More likely, some humongous telecom wants to upgrade FEMA's phone system. And this may be the employer of "one security expert" (who says FEMA's system is "low tech" and 10-15 years outmoded).

Ah, yes. I think I've hit it. Some big corpo is really pissed off that some other big corpo got the contract for the "recently installed" FEMA phone system, and is either getting revenge (calling it outmoded), and hacked into it maliciously (and fed that info to the FBI), or is seeking to damage the corpo who got the contract in order to get that contract cancelled, so they can get the contract. Unknown: whether the FBI is corrupt on this. AP very carefully avoids attributing the story to anyone--even "anon"--and just says, "The FBI isinvestigating...". How do we know that's even true? But, more importantly, are the FBI agents who are investigating it, in cahoots with the corpo that hacked the other corpo?

One final question: Why on earth would anybody who wanted to hack phone calls to the Middle East use an important government agency phone system, or any government agency phone system? If they can hack, they can hack into some obscure, unimportant, private company phone system, and not get so easily red-flagged as possible terrorists. The reason could be billing (easier to deepsix gov't invoices?). But, really, it seems awfully STUPID. You want to get yourself in trouble? Hack a big U.S. government phone system and make numerous calls to the Middle East!

However, if you were one big corpo trying to damage another big corpo, it makes more sense. ('My god, that corpo's system is wide open to terrorists!')
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:34 AM
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12. You think they kept the default password settings on their system? n/t
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 12:02 PM
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14. I dunno. But it sure feels like somebody is ratting on somebody (after the former
hacked the latter), and, with billions and billions of dollars at issue--well, what Deep Throat said: follow the money.

No terrorist in his right mind would hack FEMA's phones to call the Middle East. Someone upthread suggested soldiers, just seeking free calls. That might explain the long calls. Could be that a gov't phone system was easier for them to get into. But I'm going with my corpo vs. corpo theory. (Like Mad mag's "Spy vs. Spy.") Corpo intrigue and sabotage, in our murky Byzantine Corpo-fascist-gummint World.

And, hey, doesn't the FBI routinely spy on our phone calls these days? They let 400 calls to Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, India and Yemen, etc., get by them, before they caught on that it was a FEMA hack? Something doesn't smell right--neither in the article, nor in the FBI leak (if that's what it was). (Really, I think the Associated Pukes are capable of making things up, whole cloth, to serve some business or Bushite interest. They are s-o-o bad.)
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melm00se Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 08:10 AM
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21. the issue is that there
are a lot of "old school" folks in bureaucratic positions who view the newer (and in some ways more security robust) VoIP telephony installations as "new fangled" and unproven technology (never mind that it will force them to update their skill sets and, more than likely, lose the kick backs they get from the PBX manufacturers and maintenance companies who charge for every add/move/change).

the communications world is changing to an IP/packet based infrastructure and moving away (quickly) from traditional TDM technologies.

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