Clinton’s Name Will Be Put in Nomination

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Source: NY Times

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s name will be placed into nomination at the Democratic National Convention, a symbolic move approved by the Obama campaign in an effort to soothe a lingering rift with Clinton supporters.

The decision was reached this week, according to Democratic officials, and will be announced later today. It comes after long negotiations on both sides, with many backers of Mrs. Clinton vigorously pushing for her candidacy to be validated by giving her delegates the chance to support her through a roll call vote.

For Democrats inside the convention center in Denver, as well as the television audience at home, it could create some interesting moments. After the state-by-state roll is tallied, Mrs. Clinton is expected to turn over her cache of delegates to Senator Barack Obama.

So how will Mrs. Clinton, who is a superdelegate herself, vote? Associates say she will throw her lot behind Mr. Obama and ask her supporters to follow suit. To see if it unfolds as the Obama campaign hopes – free of acrimony – tune in on Wednesday, Aug. 27

Read more: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/14/clintons-name-will-be-put-in-nomination/

[tekisui]

1. Bigger ratings for the Convention. We will still have Nominee Obama.

I imagine many of HIllary's delegates have already indicated they will cast their vote for Obama. At any rate, he'll still win.

[onehandle]

21. Exactly. Bigger ratings = Good for the Party. nt

[Marrah_G]

2. This is a good thing.

[redqueen]

12. I agree... maybe I'm being naive...

but I think the acrimony is incidental when compared to the optimism and determination shared by all dems.

IMO the press is playing things up to stir up controversy... but the press won't be able to meddle on the floor of the convention. It'll just be dems, doing what they think is best, and I think the vast majority of us are on the same page.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

3. You gotta love...

Drama Queens. Not Sen. Clinton. Her supporters.

[harun]

27. Giving the pot-bangers more pots and a mic *sigh*

It does show Obama as being confident though. Also that he isn't afraid of the Clinton's.

[peace13]

61. Confident or nieve...you call it. n/t

[Lorentz]

4. What possible good will this do?

It suggests that the Democratic party can't back their presumptive nominee with 100% confidence.

[Alexander]

55. What possible bad will it do?

Even Kerry, Gore and Clinton did not get a unanimous vote at the DNC.

[onenote]

67. it is in fact the way conventions work most of the time

Selecting a nominee by acclamation without votes cast for any other candidates is the exception, not the rule. Yes, it happened the last three conventions, but those conventions were atypical. In 2004, the only candidate with an appreciable number of delegates (still less than 600), Edwards, had been announced as the VP pick, so it made no sense for his name to be put into nomination for the presidency. In 2000, GOre had swamped his opposition; Bradley, who had around 400 delegates to Gore's 3400 and had not won a single state therefore released his delegates on the eve of the convention. And in 1996 we had an incumbent Democrat in the WH (same thing for 1964).

But in 11 out of 15 post WWII election years,the Democrats have had more than one name put into nomination at the primary, even when the outcome was a foregone conclusion at the time of the convention. In 1992, Bill Clinton was clearly going to be the nominee. But Jerry Brown (with 3 wins and around 600 delegates) and Paul Tsongas (with 6 wins and about 300 delegates) had their names put into nomination and had votes cast for them. In 1988, Dukakis was the presumptive nominee. But Jesse Jackson, who had won 9 states, had his name was put into nomination so his 1200 plus delegates could vote for him -- a historic moment.

You get the picture?

[napi21]

5. I think this is a good thing. However, I think her supporters may

regret their actions though, because it probably will do nothing other than recreate the sad and disappointing feelings of her loss several months ago. But at LEAST it should shut them up for a while!

[bushisanidiot]

6. I hope that the Clinton supporters will, one by one, announce how proud they

are of Hillary, but gladly give their votes to Obama. It will make the Hillary supporters and all democrats look damn good.

[mcollier]

9. the plate is clean

but the dogs are still licking... Look up there is a whole buffet full for the taking in DC...

[electron_blue]

10. most Hillary supporters moved on months ago. I really wish they'd drop it.

I think this is a mistake for Obama to do this.

[Growler]

34. Agreed!

It just drags on and ON.... Hillary should have let her supporters grieve and move on 3, 4 months ago.... instead we get constant hand wringing and histrionics. Hillary keeps fanning these flames, no one else.

[MountainMamma]

73. I couldn't agree more

Let's all put on our big girl and boy pants and move on in ways that will really show support of our candidate, OBAMA, so that we can win the White House in November. I was and have been for years a supporter of Edwards. Now I am so glad that my candidate wasn't chosen as the Democratic nominee with the news of late.:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[proud2BlibKansan]

31. Dream on

:rofl:

[hedgehog]

7. I feel like I'm watching a teen horror flick! NOOOOOO!!!!!! Don't

split up! NOOOOOOO!!!!!! Don't go check out what that noise is! NOOOOOOO!!! Don't go up those stairs!

:scared:

[bluestateguy]

8. Fine, if that's what her delegates need to get it out of their system.

But after that, it's over. IT'S OVER. And I expect every single Hillary delegate to become a flag waving Obama supporter in full view of the cameras.

I will look forward to that happening.

[GoesTo11]

11. Playing with fire

Will Hillary supporters play nice? They get the healing moment they have said they so much need. They had better use it to heal and not to stick a knife in Obama's back.

[redqueen]

14. Why assume the worst about people?

That only makes things worse, you know. It is part of the problem.

[GoesTo11]

15. Not assuming worst or best, but worried.

I don't want to assume the best and then have the Democrats lose the election. To this point, it seems many HRC supporters are making the shift to support the party nominee, but there is still a vocal minority that think this is about their egos and not the Democratic party's chances. I'm worried that those ones will detract from what should be a great convention. If they make it positive and it really is about Party Unity (no asses), then I'll be very pleased and impressed.

[redqueen]

16. It's really not that many... it only seems that way

because the media is seizing on each and every tiny incident or comment in order to sell advertising. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

And if not... well then we'll just have to do the best we can and move forward from there. :)

[hedgehog]

18. You do remember that Hillary didn't concede until after the votes from

Puerto Rico, Montana and South Dakota came in, don't you? What about the trial balloon that later primaries should be considered more important that early caucuses?

[redqueen]

25. None of that matters.

We can seek out tons of incidents to use as reasons to worry and fret... but what good does that do? Do you not think that the vast majority of dems are on the same page now? Do you not think that once the votes are cast, and Obama is our nominee, that we will be even stronger?

Like I said, maybe I'm being naive... but I honestly believe that all the acrimony is played up and overhyped... I'm not feeling worried about this at all. I'm excited and optimistic.

[peace13]

52. Fool me once shame on me....

well you know the rest. He is risking it all. Some people do not play fare and it will be all of us who pay for this.

[redqueen]

59. In order to make progress, we have to be unified...

if this is what it takes for people to feel as if they've received fair treatment then that's what we need to do. IMO anyway...

I don't know how anyone was fooled before. :shrug:

[peace13]

60. MIchigan? Florida?

Unbridled campaign debt saddled on the backs of others? That is three right off. Hillary and Bill are creating the division. You can play along if you like but it will never be resolved to their satisfaction. As far as I can tell some folks got their way today. I just hope that it doesn't backfire for those of us who have been working like dogs to get Obama elected. Those of us who had our first choices eliminated and did the mature thing......move on because those are the rules. Hill has no rules to follow, she makes them. (re read my first five words if this is confusing to you).

[Zhade]

56. Assume the worst about PUMAs, who have stated they want her in or Obama to lose?

I think they earned it.

[redqueen]

58. How many are there though, really?

I don't think there are that many...

[davidinalameda]

70. fuck the PUMAs

okay?

if they do vote for McCain, they should be put on the front lines of his next war

[serbbral]

64. Why put her name on it

I'm sorry, but I think Obama just may have lost the nomination
with this move. Why would he agree to such a thing? I don't
care how close it was. SHE LOST.Many of her supporters aren't
going to vote for him anyhow. I just don't see how this will
bring the party together at all. They cannot vote for her or
can they? I would not be surprised if they stole the
nomination away from him some how. She still can't get over
the fact that she lost and comes off as such a sore loser and
he needs to stop acting like a wimp and kissing the Clinton's
a__es and act like he's the Democratic Nominee and stop
feeling like it was such a bad thing that he won. Act like the
winner, which he rightfully is. Some of you say, this should
be it. It should have been it a long time ago. If her
"women" can't get over it, then they just can't. As
a woman, I have my own mind anyway. I don't need ANYONE to
persuade me to do anything. She is not some kind of Messiah. 

[roguevalley]

68. two of them were on Hardball and they said THIS IS STILL NOT

ENOUGH! She needs to ground sluice those bastards right now.

[yellowdogintexas]

13. I for one am glad. Whether the outcome is a foregone conclusion or like in the old old

days really not known, the roll call with the nominations is just part of it all.

Al a bam a!

Madame Chairman the Great State of Alabama proudly casts x for #1 and x for # 2 and 1/2 each for #3 and #4

I LOVE IT!

I love the crazy things the head of delegations say when they cast the votes, and the honorary heads of delegations who get to make the announcements, and how the home state of the leader will yield to the others because they know that when it gets down to the vote that will take their candidate over the top, some other state will yield to them so THEY can put their candidate over the top.

Great American Political Theater, total waste of time, great for ratings and tons of fun.


You have to remember I am old enough to have sat up all night for JFK, fairly late for Jimmy Carter and all night for George McGovern .

[bushisanidiot]

62. Thanks for that reminder. I forgot about the states yielding to another

state to put the candidate over the top. I just got a (good) chill from that.

So, will the other states yield to the great state of Illinois or will it be Hawaii?? I would guess they'd give it to Hawaii since it's so rare for a Hawaiian candidate to lead the nomination.

Damn, I'm excited!

[yellowdogintexas]

69. I guess Illinois and Hawaii will have to work that out between themselves,

but NORMALLY it is the state they reside in. Hawaii and Illinois are consecutive alphabetically aren't they? Whatever, they will have it all worked out ahead of time.

Getting excited myself. Going to an Acceptance Speech Party with a bunch of other Dems Thursday night.

Is the roll call Thursday or WEd?

[IowaGirl]

66. In other words....

You love real democracy. I'll bet "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance" is one of your favorite movies, too.

[onehandle]

17. "approved by the Obama campaign " And a common convention practice. nt

[JerseygirlCT]

19. This is pretty pro-forma, isn't it?

(And really, after this - it's time to stop worrying about soothing Clinton supporters. Get on the train or let it pass you by and you can deal with the mess you create.)

[L. Coyote]

20. GRREEEAT! That makes history for the Democratic Party.

To not do so would be to pass up an historic opportunity to nominate a woman for President!

[Vinca]

22. I don't know. It seems very sad to me we can't go into the convention

being 100% behind the candidate who'll actually be on the ballot against McBush. The Clintons are going to be speaking on 2 nights and it seems they may overshadow the nominee.

[clear eye]

26. What I really dread is Bill Clinton going on & on & on...

like he tends to when you put him in front of an audience.

[LiberalFighter]

30. What matters is after the convention.

[JohnnyLib2]

23. Wow, two more weeks of life for the mini-drama!

"Much ado about............"

[Tarc]

24. Most excellent news!

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[LiberalFighter]

28. Precedent

1980 Kennedy refused to drop out. His name was placed in nomination.
Delegates: Carter - 2,129.02; Kennedy - 1,150.48

1984 Hart and Jesse Jackson were both placed in nomination.
Delegates: Mondale - 2191; Hart - 1200; Jackson - 485

1988 Jackson and others placed in nomination
Delegates: Dukakis - 2687; Jackson - 1218; Biden - 2; Gephardt - 2

1992 Brown and others place in nomination
Delegates: Clinton - 3372; Brown - 596; Tsongas - 289

1996, 2000 and 2004 only the presumptive nominee was nominated.

[xchrom]

29. good for hillary -- and certainly a common practise

at conventions.

this is great for her.

[proud2BlibKansan]

32. Will there be a whambulance nearby?

Freakin babies.

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[mdmc]

35. Hillary Clinton's name to be placed in nomination

Source: yahoo

"I am convinced that honoring Senator Clinton's historic campaign in this way will help us celebrate this defining moment in our history and bring the party together in a strong united fashion," said Obama, an Illinois senator.



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080814/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_obama

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[mike_c]

36. oh for pete's sake....

:puke:

[DS1]

37. All must tithe the Clintons

:eyes:

[frog92969]

49. I wouldn't care

If she didn't terrify me so.
:scared:

[meegbear]

38. Since chances are VERY slim she'll get it ...

is this newsworthy?

[elocs]

42. Not only is this newsworthy, but at least 3 more new threads will be started today

to announce this 'news'.

[Zhade]

57. Not slim. Nonexistent (just like snipers at Tuzla).

NT!

[monmouth]

39. Ugh..n/t

[onehandle]

40. "approved by the Obama campaign " And a common convention practice. No big deal. nt

[Love Bug]

41. This sounds like a case of the bridesmaid trying to outshine the bride

What possible purpose does this serve other than to try to shift the focus from Obama to Herself? What delegates she has at the convention are not going to be appeased by this.

This looks like something that's going to backfire on Obama.

BTW, didn't Clinton say a few weeks ago she wasn't putting her name into nomination? Or was that an inaccurate report?

[QC]

44. Is this your first convention? n/t

[baldguy]

43. Why would she do this?

Keep the PUMAs hopes alive.

[Dr.Phool]

45. While we're busy massaging ego's and wounded feelings,

Repukes are going for the jugular, 24/7.

Swiftboating, lying, and smearing. But, hey. We're feeling good.

[bunkerbuster1]

46. A little faith here?

If Obama's officially behind it, I presume he's got it stage-managed to look good on the TeeVee.

I may be proven wrong when it actually goes forward, but I suspect it'll run like just another part of the process. Then again, I never felt the Clintons were anywhere near as powerful or ruthless or cut-throat as others thought them to be, so I was never that terrified at the prospect of her name being placed in nomination, for the records.

[artfan]

47. GOOD!!!

This will help give dems. the 'moral high ground' on the first ballot deligates should vote for who they were elected to vote for. On the later ballots they can vote for Obama. To not put her name up is like telling millions of voters 'we don't care what you said" and "your vote does not count". Let the system work as it should.

[emilyg]

51. Amen.

[muryan]

48. Shes voting for him

The Obama and Clinton camps have agreed to have Hillary Clinton's name placed in nomination for the roll-call vote at the Democratic convention, according to a source familiar with the discussions.

The source adds that the mechanics of this are still being worked out, but it's "likely" that Clinton will release her delegates to vote for Obama after her name is submitted. Clinton -- who is a superdelegate -- will cast her delegate vote for Obama.

The source also notes that, contrary to previous speculation, these Clinton-Obama discussions haven't been acrimonious at all. This was a joint decision, "and both sides were open to this, and pleased with the outcome."

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/14/1266073.aspx

I'm ok with it

[ronnykmarshall]

50. Oh that evil woman!!!

:sarcasm:

Stay out of GD-P there's a lot of zoo animals throw poop around.

[bushisanidiot]

63. Good to hear! Thanks for the link. It should be a great convention! :)

:)

[Joe Chi Minh]

53. A saint once said a man would have to be dead half an hour before

he lost his eye for the opposite sex. Words to that effect. But the political drive of these Democratic "resurrectionists" is something else again!

[peace13]

54. I want you all to know ........

that I have written two responses to this post and have deleted them both. I will simply say that I think that this is so wrong on so many levels and that I hope that the outcome is that which Obama expects. Peace, Kim

[serbbral]

65. I agree with you, Kim.

It isn't about ratings and whatnot. It's about being fair to the person who is SUPPOSEDLY becoming the Democratic Nominee. HE WON, not HER. I was never a Clinton supporter, but if things had happened differently, I would still feel the same way. If he had lost, then it would not be fair for his name to be on the ticket. She spoiled the mood for him when she would not congratulate him and concede that Tuesday night when he FINALLY won as the presumptive, now it's history repeating itself. THIS should be HIS night, not HERS. If they play dirty and steal this nomination, I hope this will break up the democratic party forever. Right is Right and Wrong is just Wrong.

[cap]

71. I think it is good to rally women

The count will be held not in prime time so it won't eat up the news cycle. I think it is good for the history books to show that this is the first time that a woman came close to the presidency. I think it is good for the Party and it is good for Obama. I think Hillary's speech will raise the ratings for the campaign and I think Obama's speech will go even further. I think if the whole thing is handled well, Obama's ratings among women and "lunch pail" Democrats will go up.

[LeFleur1]

72. Democracy

This is Obama's chance to show how he unifies as he makes history.
It is Hillary's chance to make history for women.
Usually, in a Democracy, conventions have more than one nominee.
It's all good.