Documents Show Georgia's Secretary of State Knew of Diebold Patch (Whistleblower Provides Documents)

[Hissyspit]

Source: Raw Story

Documents show Georgia's Secretary of State knew of Diebold patch
Larisa Alexandrovna
Published: Wednesday July 30, 2008

Georgia complained to Diebold about patch after election

On Dec. 3, 2002, Georgia Secretary of State Cathy Cox’s office faxed documents to the then-president of Diebold Election Systems Bob Urosevich listing a series of issues that occurred shortly before the November 2002 election.

Documents provided to RAW STORY by a whistleblower close to Cox’s office show that one of the key problems Georgia officials were trying to resolve was related to an unauthorized patch installed on machines prior to the election.

In one document, Cox’s office asked Urosevich for confirmation that a “0808 patch was applied to all systems; confirmation that the patch was not grounds for requiring the system to be recertified at national and state level; as well as verifiable analysis of the overall impact of the patch to the voting system” (See attached pdf, p. 3) Cox didn’t know prior to the election that a patch had been installed, the source said. Cox, who is now president of Young Harris College in Georgia, returned phone calls but could not be reached for comment by press time.

“People working for Diebold were told to keep this quiet so Cox would not find out,” the whistleblower said. “They knew she was in over her head and had come to completely rely on Diebold. They controlled the warehouse, the machines, and the certification. There were no state employees.”

Read more: http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Documents_reveal_Georgia_was_warned_of_0730.html

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What initially raised questions, according to the source, was the behavior of then-Diebold CEO, Bob Urosevich, who personally flew in from Texas and applied the patch in just two counties, DeKalb and Fulton, both Democratic strongholds.

[babylonsister]

1. Sigh. So it has taken 6 years for someone to spill? nt

[elehhhhna]

61. they know it's all coming apart, so complicit people must come forward

to save themselves.

Times' Persons of the year next year will be "The Whistleblowers".

[wurzel]

75. Your are right. They know the game is over. Everyman for himself!

[blm]

84. I may be talking out of school, but, in 2004 there was a whistleblower for Ohio who backed out

real quick. That was the best hope for a legal case since the programs had been made to be untraceable.

Maybe that person will reconsider if the Georgia whistleblower stays safe.

[Hissyspit]

2. More:

According to this individual, this was the patch that he then passed on to cyber-security expert Stephen Spoonamore. Spoonamore, a highly regarded computer security specialist who has worked for US government agencies, has since come forward claiming that he took the Diebold patch to the Department of Justice -- specifically to the Cyber-Security/Cyber-Crime unit of the Computer and Intellectual Property Section -- after it was brought to his attention.

Calls to the Department of Justice seeking confirmation that Spoonamore had delivered the Diebold patch were not returned.

Initially, the whistleblower said, there were no concerns or questions regarding the $54 million contract, for which Diebold beat out eight other firms, to install a statewide electronic voting system. It was only after certain “red flag” events occurred that people inside the Secretary of State’s office, as well as Diebold employees, began to have suspicions, he added.

What initially raised questions, according to the source, was the behavior of then-Diebold CEO, Bob Urosevich, who personally flew in from Texas and applied the patch in just two counties, DeKalb and Fulton, both Democratic strongholds.

Another flag went up, this person added, when it became apparent that the patch installed by Urosevich had failed to fix a problem with the computer clock -- which employees from Diebold and the Georgia Secretary of State’s office had been told the patch was designed specifically to address.

[livvy]

4. That part really caught my eye...

so, where's the patch? What did the DoJ do with it. or does Spoonamore have it?

Someone needs to find out what Spoonamore knows.

[L. Coyote]

79. AND, is it actually the patch, or part of a cover-up?

Trust, but verify!!

[Kaleko]

6. I heart whistleblowers

of all stripes :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

Working on making it safer for the courageous ones among us who often risk so much.

[defendandprotect]

11. Hope Spoonamore made a copy of the "patch" before he turned it over to "justice" . ..!!!

[ladjf]

17. And if he has it, it had better be in a safe deposit box or two.

Otherwise, it could be hazardous to his health.

[lala_rawraw]

24. See, catch 22

If he did, then he would be investigated for being in possession of stolen property. So if he did, he could never tell anyone. If he did not, then whatever DOJ got is likely by now already rewritten to look pretty.

[Uncle Joe]

3. Kicked and recommended, maybe by the 22nd century

we will be advanced enough as a society to actually have free and fair elections in the land of the free and the home of the brave.

[Peace Patriot]

5. Thanks for this post! So important! Bust one, bust 'em all! Every patch,

every secret industry 'test' (the only kind of 'test' permitted with 'TRADE SECRET' CODE voting 'counting'); bust every secretary of state and local election official who doesn't know what the fuck he or she is doing; bust 'em on the BILLIONS of dollars wasted on these crapass, unreliable, extremely insider hackable election theft machines; bust their lies; bust their careerism; bust their lack of vigilance over our most important right; bust their incompetence; bust Diebold; bust ES&S (if anything, worse than Diebold); bust Sequoia; bust them all, and rid our elections of private corporations and their private code, and their lavish lobbying, and their disgusting rightwing Bushite ties!

One by one. Bit by bit. Step by step. County by county. State by state. Corp by corp. Bust their asses, and throw these goddamn machines into 'Boston Harbor' *NOW*!

[clear eye]

7. Incredible Videos of Ohio Lawyers Press Conferences (link)

<http://www.velvetrevolution.us/#071808a>

Show the lawyers pursuing the civil suit in Ohio to prevent a repeat in 2008 discussing just this situation among others. Includes participation by Spoonamore. Absolutely riveting. See both the 8 part video from the 18th and the shorter one from the 19th.

[Melinda]

8. Our own Roxanne and Eloriel were on top off this 6 years ago....

Of course she whose name shall not be mentioned claims all credit for all things BBV.

Roxanne chased Cathy Cox and her cohorts all over that damn state because of this 'patch', and with the support of Eloriel, she is directly responsible for bringing this matter to light.

So even though you are no longer with us, dear Roxanne and Eloriel, please know how delighted many of us are that your efforts behalf seems to have come to fruition.

I miss ya both. :grouphug:

[Trajan]

13. She who shall not be mentioned ....

I recall her contributions ... and they were significant as well ...

I would not take one whit from the others, and if ANYONE had or does, then a pox on their house ...

But there is NO DOUBT that she who shall not be mentioned did contribute much ....

I was here .... She did us good .....

[lala_rawraw]

27. if you assume

and you are assuming (which is going to create needless confusion) that RobGA is patch 0808, then yes, that person would have been crucial - although since then, we all know the turn of events. but, as I keep saying over and over, for the sake of keeping the facts of what we know straight, here is what we know:

1. source obtained patch 0808 (which, like the other patch, was said to be the clock fix, but this could have been cover for either and/or both)
2. source took patch 0808 to Spoonamore because of his expertise
3. Spoonamore, who was until recently a McCain delegate and did some advising on the campaign, had at that time taken patch 0808 it to DOJ
4. DOJ would appear to still have patch 0808, assuming that Spoonamore indeed took it, although he would have no reason to lie and destroy his reputation

So, we can and have traced the chain of custody of patch 0808. We do NOT KNOW if this is ROBGA and making the claim that it is is going to confuse things. But if you are discussing something other than what source and Spoonamore allege, then feel free to use ROBGA. If, however, you are discussing what Spoonamore and source are alleging, then you are wrong, because we simply do not know.

[WHAT]

94. Is it against du rules to mention Bev Harris?...

that's scary...echoes of cm (corporate media).

[Pastiche423]

30. I miss Eloriel and DEMActivist too

Both of those wonderful ladies worked their bums off going after this continuing problem. I was shocked when DemActivist was banned along w/the person whose name shall not be mentioned.

DEMActivist/Roxanne was working for the betterment of all, unlike that other (#$%^* who was working for only her own betterment.

Thank you, Melinda for mentioning them. ;-)

[JeanGrey]

9. Look I live in Georgia. They didn't need to patch Diebold

to win the election. Georgia was for Bush in 2000 and they were DETERMINED to vote out every dem in the state in 02, and it was certainly accomplished easily. They didn't need to cheat.

[Trajan]

12. Maybe they didnt need to ...

According to your anecdotal account ....

But it appears they did .... Whether they needed to or not ....

[JeanGrey]

63. That would be astonishing. You don't know what it is like

to live surround by so many rapid republicans and in that year it was horrible, and not just an "anedote". They went for Bush and I knew every dem would be swept out on down and they were.

[peacetalksforall]

14. Maybe they were just practicing new ways and means to steal.

[JeanGrey]

64. Why?

[bitchkitty]

16. I am from Georgia, as is half my family,

and believe me, Roy Barnes did not lose that election.

[JeffR]

21. Thank you!!

As a Georgia voter, I knew damn well there was a real bad smell about all this. And that there was something seriously wrong with Cox's actions. She thought she could be Georgia's Ken Blackwell. Fortunately, her ambitions were frustrated. I'd love to see her brought up on charges.

[lala_rawraw]

11% lead the week prior

seem funny math was in play at least... i agree something funny happened no matter if Urosevich flew in to have tea or to install a patch

[JeanGrey]

65. Oh come on! He sure did, big time! I'll never forget

about depressing the entire atmosphere was.

[bitchkitty]

72. "Officially" he did not win.

I think you have been taken in by propaganda - no doubt the networks were reporting and explaining it all very well.

[CottonBear]

73. I live in GA too. No way did Barnes and Cleland lose the election.

I met with Cathy Cox about professional licensing issues in her office at the state capitol.
I was impressed by her and would have supported her in a run for governor. Of course, this was prior to the 2000 election and her incredibly dumb ass move to make GA the first in the nation 100% Diebold state. Was she in over her head or was she complicit? We'll probably never know.

Now, we're stuck with one of the worst governors (Sonny Perdue)and two of the worst senators (Sack of Shit Chambliss and Johnny Boy Isakson) ever. I've met Perdue twice and I personally told him (when he asked for my vote when he first ran for governor) that I am a Democrat and that I'd never vote for a Republican.
:grr:

[gademocrat7]

91. I agree with you, Cotton Bear.

I can't wait till the three stooges are gone.

[CottonBear]

93. I'm afraid that we will be stuck with them for quite a while. n/t

[wanpete]

87. I totally agree BK, Roy Barnes did not lose the election. It was stolen for sure.

This totally explains how polls 2 days out had such large leads for Cleland and Barnes. Voter turnout was massive, and I live in one of those "democratic strongholds". Barnes should have won and so should Cleland.

[Jackpine Radical]

18. 2002. Max Cleland was leading in the polls.

Then he dropped suddenly & inexplicably in the last few days & then lost the election. I have ALWAYS thought he was Diebolded, with the cover of a bogus poll or 2.

[Alexander]

20. But they did anyway. How does that make you feel?

Cheated, right?

Disillusioned?

Like your vote no longer counts?

Welcome to our world.

[JeanGrey]

66. I knew we would lose on 02 anyway. And I still haven't

seen absolute proof of anything. YOU don't know and neither do I what the "patch" was for.

I was just here.

[lala_rawraw]

31. I don't think that accurate

look at the polls for Cleland and Barnes

[JeanGrey]

67. I saw plenty of polls otherwise and I was so depressed that

election, I knew that every single dem would get the heave ho. I don't know about around town but the rest of the state was rabid.

[Richard Steele]

42. Sorry, the FACT that they did cheat carries more weight than your opinion that they didn't need to.

nm

[JeanGrey]

68. Believe what you want. I knew it would happen just like

I knew Al Gore wouldn't carry his own state in Tennessee (I was there as well).

[yardwork]

45. Max Cleland. I don't believe he lost that reelection.

[JeanGrey]

69. I had hoped he might at least survive the negative dem

wave that rolled over this state but not surprised that he didn't.

[Norrin Radd]

10. kr

[Stevepol]

15. This is a tremendous post. 2002, I think, marked the point at which

the US lost its democracy. The results were laughably askew, not just in GA, but in MN and CO and other places around the country where the vote theft machines were used. After 2002, it was just a matter of extending the role of the machines by bullying the elections personnel, lying where necessary, bribing where possible, etc.

[Pastiche423]

35. The loss of our democratic voting system

smacked me in the face when I heard about the three races in three different counties in Texas. Each republic candidate "won" by exactly 18,181 votes.

[KansDem]

62. Ah, yes! The magical "18,181" This number appeared *5* times in the 2002 election...

DANNY SCHEEL (Texas): 18,181 votes (Comol County)
CARTER CASTEEL (Texas): 18,181 votes (Comol Country)
JEFF WENTWORTH (Texas): 18,181 votes (Comol County)
CANDICE MILLER (Michigan): 18,181 Votes (Lapeer County)
MICHAEL SMIGIEL (Maryland): 18,181 Votes (St. Anne's)
All five won and all five Republicans.

DU thread

What are the odds?

Thanks, Pasthiche423, for reminding us! :hi:

[diva77]

50. From now on I'm going to use the term "vote theft machines" Good one Stevepol!!

[AndyTiedye]

56. DRE = Diebold Repiglickin Electing Machinez

[L. Coyote]

80. Democracy died on Junta Day, 2000.12.12

[liberal N proud]

19. k&r

[bonito]

22. K&R!

[Peggy Day]

23. Wasn't this patch called "rob Georgia"?

I seem to remember this.

[lala_rawraw]

28. NO

this patch is called 0808, which MAY or MAY not be the patch known as ROBGA, we simply do not know. but for the sake of this converation, the answer is no

[stlsaxman]

59. do i have this right- you say "NO, it may be ROBGA- but for this conversation it's not."

which conversation has to happen for NO to mean NO and shouldn't we be having that one?

it is or it ain't, right?


:shrug:

[CottonBear]

74. See lala's reply #27 for the explanation.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3416547&mesg_id=3416660

[HCE SuiGeneris]

25. k n r

[Bozita]

26. Larisa is gonna be on with Thom Hartmann tomorrow.

He announced it earlier today.

[lala_rawraw]

33. talking about Paul Minor, not Diebold I don't think

but may be surprised to find out, but was told Minor...which is equally important

[Bozita]

36. New piece on Minor by Adam Lynch in the Jackson Free Press today

http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/index.php/site/comments/more_judicial_horseplay_073008/

[lala_rawraw]

37. yes, the only MS reporter with a backbone...

good guy

[trthnd4jstc]

29. Can Anyone Say, "Rigged Georgian Elections." n.t.

[klook]

32. Disgusting

In Georgia we still have to "vote" on Diebold machines! All thanks to phony "Democrat" Cathy Cox. She was probably too dumb to even take a bribe from these crooks.

Gee, I wonder if we'll ever hear anything about this in the AJC, on WSB TV & radio, or any other Ga. mainstream media outlet?... Creative Loafing is probably the only hope.

[lala_rawraw]

34. what is clear and strange frankly

is that although she did not know prior, according to all sources, she certainly knew right after and the documents illustrate this. she knew before new members were sworn in even. so what happened?

[alfredo]

38. Urosevich is part of the right wing Christian cult

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3016509
the Urosevich brothers were tight with Harold Ahmanson.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm

The Christian Coalition saw domination of the GOP as their avenue to dominion over America.

[AntiFascist]

85. I'm glad you brought this up, otherwise I was going to...

Ahmanson is a multimillionaire Dominionist whose anti-Democratic goals have become all too apparent:

http://empireburlesquenow.blogspot.com/2005/03/pin-heads-bushist-push-to-theocracy.html

The Dominionist movement was founded by the late R.J. Rushdoony, a busy beaver who also co-founded the Council for National Policy. The CNP is the politburo of the American conservative movement, filled with top-rank political and business leaders who set the national agenda for the vast echo chamber of rightwing foundations, publishers, media networks and universities that have schooled a whole generation in obscurantist bile – just like the extremist Wahabbi religious schools funded by Saudi billionaires have poisoned the Islamic world with hatred and ignorance. Candidate George W. Bush humbly paid his ritual obeisance to the CNP Wahabbis in 1999, in a speech that has remained a fiercely guarded secret.

One of the chief moneybags behind the rise of Dominionism was tycoon Harold Ahmanson, Rushdoony's protégé and fellow CNP member. In addition to establishing theocracy in America, Ahmanson had another abiding interest: computerized voting machines. As reported here last year, Ahmanson, a fervent Bush backer, was instrumental in establishing two of the Republican-controlled companies now rushing to install their highly hackable machines – with untraceable, unrecountable electronic ballots – across the country in time for the November election. Whatever it takes, O Lord: "Zealous men force their way in."

Lo and behold, Antonin Scalia (the principal decider of the 2000 election) supports their ideology:

Rejecting that old reveler in licentiousness, Thomas Jefferson, Scalia proclaims that government "is the 'minister of God' with powers to 'revenge,' to 'execute wrath,' including even wrath by the sword." He rails against the "tendency of democracy to obscure the divine authority behind government" and "foster civil disobedience." Approvingly, he cites the Apostle Paul: "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation." (Unless, of course, the Dominators need a "regime change" somewhere. Then the "powers that be" suddenly lose their divine ordination.)

[alfredo]

86. I'm sure the American people would like being under a strict reading of

Mosaic law.

[norepubsin08]

39. OK decertify the 2002 election and put Cleland back

on the ballot and run it again....he'll win in a landslide and should have the first time also!!!

[AzDar]

40. K & R

:kick:

[Dystopian]

41. K&R. Thank You. n/t

peace~

[Ellipsis]

43. Okay, so what happens next?

...hypothetically.

[Connonym]

44. hypothetically they all go to jail for fraud

in real life they'll all continue to enjoy their freedom and all the monies from their illegal kickbacks while laughing their asses off at what they got away with.

[Ellipsis]

46. Spoonamore confirmed that the patch included nothing to repair a clock problem.

"Spoonamore confirmed that the patch included nothing to repair a clock problem. Instead, he identified two parallel programs, both having the full software code and even the same audio instructions for the deaf. Spoonamore said he could not understand the need for a second copy of the exact same program -- and without access to the machine for which the patch was designed, he could not learn more. Instead, he said he took the evidence to the Cyber-Security Division of the Department of Justice and reported the series of events to authorities. The Justice Department has not yet acted on his report."

This story puts pressure on the Justice Department to respond.


Jail for fraud would be good, They may have been laughing in 2002... today not so much.


Good to see you "outta" the lounge by the way.

[Connonym]

47. usually I'm too scared to post outta the lounge

:scared:

[Ellipsis]

49. LOL!

You're just settlin' in. ;-)

But let's not jack this thread, wouldn't want to to distract from Larisa's wonderful work don't cha know. Though it does allow for another KICK!


:toast:

[elehhhhna]

88. RICO statutes should apply, and then there's treason..a death-penalty offense...

and if conspiring to successfully jack an election ain't TREASON, what is?

[urgk]

48. K & R

[grillo7]

51. What can we do before November? n/t

[DirtyDawg]

52. Looking at this six years out...

...from the most Democratic county in the state, DeKalb, it all still seems so surreal. We now know that Cathy Cox (D - Sec of State) was probably conned into doing this Diebold thing - the guy that mentioned she was too inept to even get paid off for it, is a good one. After the Florida fiasco with the punch-cards maybe she thought she was doing us a favor to rush to convert, but she certainly wasn't paying much attention. She clearly has shown her DINO credentials in her most recent run for the Dem nomination for Guv, that she didn't win. She now head of Young Harris College, a post that would have been handed to her by our old friend Zell Miller who basically owns the town and the school.

Max has had ample opportunity to call the repugs and Saxby Chambliss on this, but doesn't have the stomach for it, for some reason. In fact, he had the guns loaded and ready to blow Chambliss out of the water during the campaign, but lost his nerve for some reason - maybe that's why he's so upset with himself about the turn of events.

The real mystery to me is that Roy Barnes is one of the toughest, honest and able politicians ever produced by this state, and he too hasn't said word one about this shit. It ain't like him and I wonder why. He has passed on running for any other office - maybe he sees Georgia as a lost cause to the Reds and that he, or any other moderate to left pol doesn't stand a chance in this lizard-minded state.

I for one hope that the Dem candidate that will go against Chambliss this year - the first time he's had to stand for election since the '02 heist - will be Jim Martin (runoff against a black, Blue Dog Dem - how's that for a confusing combination - Vernon Jones). No way Jones would even put up a fight against Chambliss, hell he probably would concede before election day if he weren't so greedy. Martin should use this news as the first opportunity to hold Republicans in general, and Chambliss in particular, accountable for the past eight years and especially the hijacking of the '02 vote. That, combined with an Obama 'surge', just might pull one out here...hope springs eternal.

[diva77]

53. Los Angeles County Registrar cavalier about making uncertified changes to software

on eve of Recall election -- when Schwarzenegger was "elected", 2003

November 13, 2003 Los Angeles Times

Secretary of State Orders Audit of All Counties' Voting Systems
  Review of upgraded touchscreen software leads to
discovery that two registrars installed it
without state's OK.

By Allison Hoffman and Tim Reiterman, Times Staff Writers

Responding to revelations that at least one
county used unapproved voting software in the
Oct. 7 recall election, Secretary of State Kevin
Shelley has ordered an audit of voting systems
used in all 58 California counties.
State elections officials reviewing an upgraded
version of Diebold Inc.'s Accuvote touchscreen
voting machines for future certification were
told by company employees that the new software
had already been installed in Alameda and Plumas
counties - without state approval.

snip

Bradley Clark, Alameda County's registrar, said
that the new software had been installed before
the recall election, but Kathleen Williams,
Plumas County's registrar, said that she had not
installed the upgrade before the election.

Los Angeles County Registrar Conny B. McCormack
said the incident highlighted ongoing uncertainty
in Sacramento about how to regulate electronic
voting.
She said all counties in the state, whether they
use electronic or mechanical voting systems, had
installed significant software upgrades in the
past several years to accommodate changes to
primary voting and to handle the unique recall
election itself.
"All of us have made changes to our software -
even major changes - and none of us have gone
back to the secretary of state," McCormack said.
"But it was no secret we've been doing this all
along. (Shelley) knew we were making changes."

[flamingdem]

54. Ohio Attorneys Assert Rico Claim Against Rove for Orchestrating Theft of 2004 Election

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/ohio-attorneys-assert-rico-claim-against-karl-rove-orchestrating-theft-2004-election-2

Sorry if this has already been posted, sure looks interesting..

[Kaleko]

90. Haven't seen that. Thanks! It sounds like RICO lawsuits are the way to go.

And welcome to the monkey house, flamingdem :hi:

[flamingdem]

55. Whaddawe going to do? With this Polls Close...

:shrug:

Take to the streets? Make a team of cyber experts to check the machines? Obama & Co. must be considering options, I hope so.

[Monk06]

57. I feel sorry for my American brothers and sisters. Until you have a

National Electoral Commission that is out of the hands
of Provincial/State partisan elected officials you will
not be able to trust that your ballot is being counted.

Honestly we have national elections up here with a paper
ballot and 30 million voters in three time zones. The
ballots are counted and the results of the election are
known by the end of voting day.

You register to vote over the phone using your Social Insurance
Number and current address which is checked against your mailing
address listed with Revenue Canada.

As long as the GOP controlled State governments control the ballot
you will never be able to trust your election system.

Even Venezuela runs more honest elections.

[The Wizard]

58. Here's hoping

Ku Klux Karl Rove, American Rasputin, will be compelled to testify under oath in a civil suit. He can't get pardoned from a civil suit, and there's no executive privilege as the Supreme Court decided in the Paula Jones v Bill Clinton case.
If Rove lies under oath, which he will, the State will have to refrain from any criminal proceedings until after Jan. 21, 2009, unless Bush declares martial law and suspends elections until he decides to leave office voluntarily.
"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross."
(Sinclair Lewis)

[progressoid]

60. wow.

just wow.

[pleah]

70. K&R

[redqueen]

71. We can haz international election observers now plz?

[bleever]

76. K&R!

Great news to wake up to.

[fascisthunter]

77. Proves GOP Election Fraud

priceless

[Overseas]

78. These are the times I WISH WE HAD A LIBERAL MEDIA.

If we had a liberal media, the facts of our elections being manipulated like this would be blazoned across the TV and print news.

[flamingdem]

81. How Do We Get Election Observers? n/t

[ooglymoogly]

82. The "librul" media will handle this with asbestos gloves, throwing it on

their nuclear waste Dumpster (now so large it could choke an elephant and just might), to be sure not a peep of this gets on the evening "news" spelled PROPAGANDA.

It is time for all good Americans to come to the aid of their country and learn who exactly controls the corporate media and thereby this country and where their loyalties lie. It is all available for the googling if anyone, anyone cares enough to lend a hand to save this country from its present spiral into darkness.

[katty]

83. Game over - checkmate!

[mckara]

89. Republicans are Fascist Bastards!

n/t

[Supersedeas]

92. where the fuck is the Media?