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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:14 PM
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McCain says he 'knows how to win wars'
Source: AP

ALBUQUERQUE -- Republican John McCain said today that he knows "how to win wars" and the strategy of increasing troop levels in Iraq should also be applied to Afghanistan.

"Sen. Obama will tell you we can't win in Afghanistan without losing in Iraq. In fact, he has it exactly backwards," McCain told a town hall meeting. "It is precisely the success of the surge in Iraq that shows us the way to succeed in Afghanistan."

"I know how to win wars. And if I'm elected President, I will turn around the war in Afghanistan, just as we have turned around the war in Iraq, with a comprehensive strategy for victory," he said.

Moments earlier, his Democratic rival, Sen. Barack Obama said in a speech in Washington the U.S. must end the war in Iraq and that Afghanistan, by contrast, is "a war that we have to win."

Read more: http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20080715/NEWS02/318173395
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:16 PM
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1. Like when he won in Vietnam? WTF?
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:18 PM
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2. Hitler said the equivalent. A rank corporal telling German generals,
veteran of the First World War, graduates of military colleges how to prosecute a war. And it really is easy to "win" a war if you're willing to destroy wholesale entire sovereignties.
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 02:28 PM
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22. And he almost pulled it off, so... n/t
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 02:33 PM
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23. Not quite, McCain did go to the Naval War College
His statement is more a boast that is not supported by facts, rather than an unqualified statement.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 04:18 PM
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32. Did he graduate at the bottom of that class
Edited on Tue Jul-15-08 04:18 PM by Kelvin Mace
as well?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 04:28 PM
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33. Technically that was Naval Academy
After Vietnam he went to the Naval War Colloge for Graduate work. We don't know how he did there.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 04:36 PM
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34. Says who? He graduated from the US Naval Academy in Annapolis - that's it.
Edited on Tue Jul-15-08 04:48 PM by Justitia
He certainly does not have a Masters Degree from the Naval War College in Newport.

After Vietnam, his Dad's buddy John Warner pulled strings (& rank) to allow him to attend school at the NATIONAL War College at Fort McNair, Washington DC - the school had already refused him, but Warner flexed muscle on behalf of his friend's son and got him in. He only stayed there a few months before moving on. He never earned a degree there either.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:18 PM
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3. Stupid is as stupid does
What a ridiculous statement. Sadly, there are a number of village idiots that walk in lock-step with the pukes who will buy this video game talk; but they would never vote for Barack Obama anyway.

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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:18 PM
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4. he is so full of it.
and 42% of Americans are for this guy???? what the hell is wrong with these people?
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:20 PM
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5. They Aren't Wars, They Are Illegal Occupations
which cannot be won by definition by anybody except the natives. Except by genocide, of couse.

So that's two war crimes right there.


What we need is a leader who can correctly identitfy and ethically address the issues. Not McCain.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:21 PM
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6. Yes, but can he start a jet engine? n/t
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mikeytherat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 02:37 PM
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24. I hear rumors he "wet-started" at least one.
mikey_the_rat
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:25 PM
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7. So sayeth the man who got shot down.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:32 PM
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8. take the macho BS to your shrink
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:35 PM
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9. The man is plumb insane. (nt)
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:37 PM
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10. Tell us about all the wars ya won asshole
Sounds like Nixon's secret plan to win the war in Vietnam.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:38 PM
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11. and I'm supposed to believe someone
who graduated at the bottom of his naval academy class?
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:43 PM
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12. Show ONE example asshole...nt
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:49 PM
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13. That's world-class stupid
nt
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 01:16 PM
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14. Momma always said war is like a box of chocolates...
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 01:19 PM
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15. McCain gives Bush** a seriouis backhand here with his "turn the war around" line..
Even Johnny Lockjaw knows Afghanistan is a giant clusterf*ck.

His belief in the "Surge" is pure Goering-esque propaganda.

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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 01:20 PM
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16. McCain gives Bush** a solid backhand with the line "turn around the war in Afghanistan"
Even Johnny Lockjaw knows Afghanistan is a giant clusterf*ck.

His belief in the "Surge" is pure Goering-esque propaganda.

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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 01:38 PM
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17. So is he like keeping it a secret from that idiot in the white house?
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 01:40 PM
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18. He may be right.
But it will take him 100 years! :nuke:
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 01:45 PM
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19. When is he going to reveal the big secret?
'Cause, like, America could really have used that info, oh, sometime in the last forty years.
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flakey_foont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 02:00 PM
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20. just like the last one
send Sherman to destroy Atlanta? (oh and Peabody too)
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 02:27 PM
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21. The last time we won a war was against Japan. He doesn't know. n/t
Edited on Tue Jul-15-08 02:29 PM by crikkett
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 03:27 PM
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28. Hey, you forgot Grenada!
GRENADA! Whooo!
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 04:17 PM
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31. and Panama! Woohoo!
:bounce:
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Beausoleil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 02:48 PM
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25. So is he saying
that we would have "won" the Vietnam war if he hadn't been locked up in Hanoi for five years? Damn the luck.

By extension he must be saying that we "lost" the war because he got himself captured.
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NewEnglandGirl Donating Member (602 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 02:51 PM
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26. What does he think this is,
a card game? I want someone who knows how to not CAUSE wars.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 03:25 PM
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27. McCain doesn't even know how not to get his plane crashed....
...let alone win a war!
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NoGOPZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 04:07 PM
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29. Does this mean he's rejoining the Navy? nt
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 04:09 PM
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30. He's SENILE and his wandering imagination is now making it's own history. -eom
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 05:11 PM
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35. If wars never end, then you never lose
And that's kind of like winning.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 05:20 PM
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36. All he knows is how to crash millions of dollars worth of planes. 5 of them, right?
If you include the one he let get shot down.
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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 05:52 PM
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37. You cant loose a war that never ends.
This is a deranged old coot, one who needs to go sit on his porch and watch the sun set, not one who needs to run a country that needs reform.
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