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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:41 AM
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Dems, GOP Agree To Take Up Wiretapping Bill Friday
Source: Associated Press

(06-19) 08:33 PDT WASHINGTON, (AP) --

House and Senate leaders have agreed to take up a new surveillance compromise bill, potentially settling a political dispute over whether to shield from lawsuits companies that helped the government tap phone and computer lines without court orders.

About 40 lawsuits have been filed against telecommunications companies from people who believe they were the targets of illegal surveillance. The bill would let a federal district court determine if the telecommunications companies received lawful orders from the government asking them to place wiretaps. If so, the lawsuits would be dismissed.



Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/06/19/national/w083310D79.DTL
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:42 AM
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1. Will this conflict with the Scotty McClellan hearing or final episode of Battlestar Galactica? n/t
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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:49 AM
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2. I see the AP got the memo...
to start refering to the republican party as GOP since the "Republican" brand name has been so disparaged.
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ptolle Donating Member (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 11:13 AM
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3. phone
Dkos has the contact numbers for the Obama campaign and for Steny Hoyer to call to register your opposition. Public pressure is about the only thing that might derail this obscenity.Obama's publicly stated opposition might help derail it as well. So call his campaign, Hoyer and your representative.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 11:33 AM
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4. Pelosi and Hoyer can smell that telecom lobby money--smells gooooood
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 11:36 AM
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5. Since Pelosi says she is against telecom immunity that she is letting
Hoyer bring this up. I called his office and left a scorching message. I see that it really worked. Ha! Ha! Today I am calling Pelosi. I have called my rep; I am sure that he will vote no.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 11:56 AM
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6. You watch, the admin and telecoms are gonna get a pass.
Just like they funded the war with no strings attached.
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 02:07 PM
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7. FISA Deal completed, House vote likely tomorrow
Source: politico

Negotiators reached a deal Thursday morning on long-stalled electronic surveillance legislation, with a House vote likely to be held on the measure on Friday, Democratic leadership aides confirmed.

The deal represents a major breakthrough on the long-stalled updated to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which has been stuck in Congress for most of the year.

While talk of a pending deal had intensified throughout the week, as late as Wednesday night, House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) cautioned that some details were still being worked out.

However, Democratic aides told Politico Thursday morning that all major differences had been ironed out and that the bill would hit the House floor shortly.

The centerpiece of the compromise is a provision that would allow a federal court to decide whether to provide retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies that participated in the program and are facing lawsuits from civil liberties organizations.



Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0608/FISA_Deal_completed_House_vote_likely_tomorrow.html



Here is the full text of the bill....

http://www.politico.com/static/PPM104_080619_fisapromise.htm
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blackspade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 02:07 PM
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8. I just shot a e-mail off
To John Yarmuth.
Hopefully there are enough 'no' votes to stall this piece of crap legislation again.
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williesgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 02:07 PM
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9. They fucking CAVED again? This sucks. Get on the phone and start screaming to all your reps.
Edited on Thu Jun-19-08 12:28 PM by williesgirl
Fuck Hoyer. He's a slimebag. Dems don't deserve to win more seats in Nov if this is what we can expect. This isn't what we worked so hard for in 2006. rec'd
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aggiesal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 02:07 PM
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10. I thought that, ...
the 9th Federal Circuit Court of Appeals had already determined
that the telecom companies could be sued?

What is this hor$e$hit?
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 02:07 PM
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11. Bipartisan FISA Compromise Reached (Email from Senator Rockefeller)
Bill Protects Nation, Civil Liberties

Click here for text of the FISA Amendments Act

WASHINGTON – Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman John “Jay” Rockefeller (WV), Senate Intelligence Committee Vice-Chair Kit Bond (MO), House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (MD), and House Minority Whip Roy Blunt (MO) announced today that a bipartisan compromise has been agreed to that will modernize the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

The FISA Amendments Act, H.R. 6304, will increase the nation’s security by strengthening the ability of the intelligence community to conduct lawful surveillance of terrorists, as well as protect constitutional rights by requiring warrants before the government can surveil any American.

“This bipartisan bill balances the needs of our intelligence community with Americans’ civil liberties, and provides critical new oversight and accountability requirements,” said Hoyer. “It is the result of compromise, and like any compromise is not perfect, but I believe it strikes a sound balance. Furthermore, we have ensured that Congress can revisit these issues because the legislation will sunset at the end of 2012.”

“For months, leaders of both parties in both the House and the Senate have been working to find middle ground on FISA. Both sides have had to compromise – coming up with a legislative proposal that we individually would have written much differently,” said Blunt. “Clearly, House Republicans have long believed that the Senate FISA bill was the best way forward – and do not believe that the courts should hold the ultimate decision over how and when terrorist communications are monitored overseas. During this process, we all worked from the very basic premise that we had to find a way to modernize FISA to ensure that our intelligence community has the tools it needs to continue monitoring foreign-based, terrorist communications, while maintaining the protections of individual liberties contained in the existing FISA law. I believe we have accomplished that in this bill.”

"At its core this historic, bipartisan agreement to modernize FISA is about providing an essential tool in the fight against terrorism. It meets our dual obligations to make our Nation safe and restore the privacy protections and civil liberties Americans require,” Rockefeller said. “After a long, hard process of give and take, this FISA bill will prevent any repeat of warrantless surveillance undertaken by the President and will hold our government accountable for its actions, past and future, through strengthened court review and congressional oversight.”

“Last year Congress passed the Protect America Act, which closed a dangerous intelligence gap that allowed terrorists to use technology to stay a step ahead of terror-fighters. Since the expiration of that bill, our intelligence community has been forced to operate under a temporary system that could impede their ability to track new terrorist threats,” said Bond. “Today we reached a bipartisan solution that will put the intelligence community back in business, protect American families from attack and protect our civil liberties.”


The email included an attachment:

FISA AMENDMENTS ACT OF 2008

OVERVIEW


The Act provides critically important authority for the U.S. Intelligence Community to acquire foreign intelligence information by targeting foreign persons reasonably believed to be outside the United States. It ensures that the Intelligence Community has the flexibility and agility it requires to respond quickly to opportunities and needs within a global communication system.

The Act provides a key role for each branch of Government. It assigns responsibilities jointly to the Attorney General (AG) and the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) to ensure that the Nation’s chief law enforcement and intelligence officials work together in collecting intelligence in accordance with law. It requires the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA Court) to review and approve, or order corrections to, the procedures required by the Act and to ensure compliance with protections for Americans under the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution. And it requires that information about the implementation of these new procedures be reported to Congress, to ensure that Congress can fulfill its oversight role.

PRIVACY AND CIVIL LIBERTY PROTECTIONS FOR AMERICANS

Exclusivity.
The Act strengthens the requirement that FISA and specific chapters of Title 18 are the exclusive means by which electronic surveillance and certain criminal law interceptions may be conducted. In addition to the statutes specifically listed in the exclusivity provision, the Act provides that only an express statutory authorization for electronic surveillance or interception may constitute an additional exclusive means for that surveillance or interception.

Targeting Procedures. Knowing if a target is outside the U.S. is key to the protection of Americans. At least annually, the AG and DNI must submit to the FISA Court for review and approval targeting procedures for making that fundamental determination which governs collection under this bill.

Minimization Procedures. Making sure that information that is acquired about Americans, in the course of targeting foreigners, is used only for proper intelligence or law enforcement purposes is a second line of defense for Americans. These procedures must be reviewed and approved at least annually by the FISA Court.

Individual Judicial Orders for Surveillance of Americans. The Act requires individual FISA Court orders based on probable cause for the targeting of Americans not only when they are within the U.S. but also, for the first time, when they are outside of the United States -- whether they are working, studying, or traveling abroad.

Reverse Targeting Guidelines. The Act requires adoption by the Attorney General and submission to the Congress and FISA Court of guidelines to ensure compliance with the Act’s limitations, including its prohibition on reverse targeting.

TIMING OF COLLECTION AND JUDICIAL REVIEW

Timing of Judicial Review.
The Act requires that the targeting procedures shall be submitted to and approved by the FISA court before the collection begins.

Exigent Circumstances. In rare cases, collection can begin while the court considers authorization only if the AG and DNI certify to the court that exigent circumstances exist and critical intelligence could be lost. The AG and DNI must submit procedures within 7 days and the court would make a determination within 30 days. During this period, all relevant minimization and reverse targeting guidelines would apply.

LIABILITY PROTECTIONS AND OBLIGATIONS OF AMERICAN COMPANIES

Prospective Immunity.
The Act ensures that the cooperation shall be in accordance with law, by providing an opportunity for the companies to challenge in court the lawfulness of directives to them and for the Government to compel compliance through judicial proceedings. Companies that act in accordance with directives provided under the law shall be protected against future liability.

Retroactive Immunity. The Act provides standards and procedures for liability protection for electronic communication service providers who assisted the Government between September 11, 2001 and January 17, 2007, when the surveillance program was brought under the FISA Court.

A district court hearing a case against a provider will decide whether the Attorney General’s certification attesting that the liability protection standard has been met and is supported by substantial evidence. In making that determination, the court will have the opportunity to examine the highly classified letters to the providers that indicated the President had authorized the activity and that it had been determined to be lawful. The plaintiffs and defendants will have the opportunity to file public briefs on legal issues and the court should include in any public order a description of the legal standards that govern the order.

The immunity provision of the Act does not apply to any actions against the Government for any alleged injuries caused by government officials. Nor does the immunity provision involve any statement by the Congress, pro or con, on the legality of the President’s program.

OVERSIGHT AND ACCOUNTABILITY

Inspector General Review.
The Act directs the Inspectors General of the Department of Justice, the Office of the DNI, the National Security Agency, and the Department of Defense to complete a comprehensive review, within the oversight authority of each IG, of the President’s Surveillance Program. In no later than a year, the Inspectors General shall submit a report to Congress; the report shall be unclassified but may include a classified annex. In light of the dismissals of cases that may result from implementation of the immunity title, the IG review will be an especially important vehicle for reporting to Congress on the facts of the President’s program, as well as to the public, to the extent classification permits.

Multiple Levels of Oversight. The Act provides for multiple levels of oversight both within the Executive Branch, including by Department of Justice and Intelligence Community Inspectors General, and in regular reporting to both the Congress and the FISA Court.

Sunset. The Act will sunset at the end of 2012 ensuring that the next Administration, together with the Congress, will address whether the Act should be made permanent or modified based on experience.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 02:07 PM
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16. Is it just me or do these "multiple layers of oversight" just look like
multiple layers of occlusion and obfuscation?

:wtf:
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 02:50 PM
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19. It's not just you, Pat.
I replied back to Senator Rockefeller's office to say I was not pleased with the amnesty portion. But it comes as no surprise since he has backed that from the beginning. I have never been able to understand why.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 04:50 PM
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22. Dupe.
Edited on Thu Jun-19-08 04:54 PM by Lasher
By a dope.
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aggiesal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 02:07 PM
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17. OK, here is the key paragraph, ...
The Act provides standards and procedures for liability protection for electronic communication service providers who assisted the Government between September 11, 2001 and January 17, 2007, when the surveillance program was brought under the FISA Court.

A district court hearing a case against a provider will decide whether the Attorney General’s certification attesting that the liability protection standard has been met and is supported by substantial evidence. In making that determination, the court will have the opportunity to examine the highly classified letters to the providers that indicated the President had authorized the activity and that it had been determined to be lawful. The plaintiffs and defendants will have the opportunity to file public briefs on legal issues and the court should include in any public order a description of the legal standards that govern the order.

The immunity provision of the Act does not apply to any actions against the Government for any alleged injuries caused by government officials. Nor does the immunity provision involve any statement by the Congress, pro or con, on the legality of the President’s program.


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... President had authorized the activity and that it had been determined to be lawful ...

Just because the president says it's legal does not make it legal.
The is pure BS.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 04:54 PM
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23. I've been real busy today and have not had time to do anything with this but share it here.
I was hoping folks just like you would weigh in. It's just like you say, pure BS. I hope this gets shot down.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 02:07 PM
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12. fucking conservative sellout democrats... bye bye Hoyer
maybe it's time for you to leave the Party.
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 02:07 PM
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13. I mis-read "measure" as MANURE
But I think "manure" describes it better.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 02:07 PM
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15. Odd, I did the same thing.
I think we had it right the first time.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 02:07 PM
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14. Call Hoyer and Pelosi. Tell her to withdraw this legislation and tell
Edited on Thu Jun-19-08 01:39 PM by MasonJar
him that he is through if he does not quit promoting this unConstitutional action. 800 numbers include 1-800-828-0498 and 1-800-459-1887 and 1-800-614-2803 and 1-800-283-8983.
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RussBLib Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 02:33 PM
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18. Didn't Chris Dodd say he would filibuster this?
Or was that some other issue?

Obama or Clinton should take a strong stand and filibuster it if Dodd won't. This is just a pure violation of the Constitution and our 4th Amendment rights.

Come on, Democrats, don't blow it (any worse than you already are).
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Pappy Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 03:41 PM
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20. Yup lousy Dems, I think I am voting Green next time, I am sick of these sellouts!
Dems totally gave Bush everything he wanted. What a bunch of chickenshit assholes.

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/06/dems-agree-to-e.html

Pappy
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 04:58 PM
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25. I share your frustration.
Edited on Thu Jun-19-08 05:13 PM by Lasher
I'm only a humble guest here, just like you. But I hope you won't mind my pointing out that third party advocacy is frowned upon here, and rightly so.

Edit: Oops, already tombstoned. A word to the wise - don't advocate third parties if you want to play here.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 04:27 PM
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21. But THEY DIDN'T RECEIVE LAWFUL ORDERS!
Edited on Thu Jun-19-08 04:31 PM by annabanana
The orders were illegal because they called for warrantless wiretaps. How the hell can this be a "pass" that's being considered "cave-worthy"?
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 04:58 PM
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24. We The People..should just stop paying our Federal Taxes
I'm serious.

You wanna see Congress snap to and get tough and regulate and oversee, you and me and everyone we know stop paying taxes and you'll see action. Bush, Cheney, Enron, AT&T, Halliburton, KBR, Black Water..all of them can flout law, regulation, and common decency. You and I stop paying taxes, and the hammer would come down so fast it would make your head spin.

This is government of the profit, by the profit, for the profit.
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