Florida to execute convicted child murderer in July

[madeline_con]

Source: AFP

MIAMI (AFP) — The governor of Florida on Monday signed an order to execute a man convicted of murdering an 11-year-old boy, marking what will be the state's first execution in more than 18 months, officials said.

Mark Dean Schwab, 39, who was convicted in 1992 of kidnap, rape and murder, is to be condemned to death on July 1, prison authorities said.



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Finally! Those of us who live in the Community where Juny lost his life to this animal breathe a sigh of relief. Flame away...

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

1. Does a post consisting solely on this link constitute a flame?

http://www.mvfhr.org/

[madeline_con]

5. Absolutely not.

It seems both the families of Juny and Schwab qualify for help from this org. As well they should. Having a family member executed must be tough.

[MannyGoldstein]

2. 'If you want others to be happy, practice compassion.

If you want to be happy, practice compassion.'
- Dalai Lama

Choose happiness. It's more fun.

[AZ Criminal JD]

6. The 11 year old didn't get the chance to choose happiness, did he?

[MannyGoldstein]

8. What Happened To The 11 Year Is Horrible Beyond Words

But how does executing his murderer (if it is his murderer) help improve things? Only hardens our hearts, I think.

Is it a coincidence that the states with the death penalty have the highest homicide rates, by-and-large?

[Trajan]

20. I abhor Capital Punishment ...

But the rape and murder of an innocent child is one of those crimes where I have the most problem with this ...

I don't want to punish .... I don't want to teach: I feel it is MORE important to make sure assholes like this do NOT have a chance to hurt another child ....

There is a possibility he could escape, or get released ..... And then the next victim could blame us for failing to act in a manner that actual protects children from such awful monsters ....

There is no excuse for doing this to a child ..... I would NOT approve of the death penalty in any other case, but raping AND killing a child crosses the line for me ....

I would be tortured by this choice, but no other child would be harmed by this person .....

[AZ Criminal JD]

23. Death penalty statistics are meaningless.

They would only be meaningful if there was a effective death penalty. When you have people on death row due to appeals and stays for 20 years any stats or comparisons are rendered moot. Courts have stayed the death penalty, overturned the death penalty, and then at some point allowed it to continue. To then try and compare that with ongoing and consistent homicide is folly.

[emilyg]

3. Good.

[NaturalHigh]

4. Whatever one may think of the death penalty...

I seriously doubt that this guy will be missed. On the other hand, I have to respect death penalty opponents who oppose capital punishment even for this guy because it shows me that they are true to their convictions.

[vivalarevolucion77]

32. I agree

That beast does not deserve to be amongst us.

[knight_of_the_star]

7. Let 'im fry

For doing shit like that I hope he's going to be the squeeze toy of the Jotnar for all eternity. There is no word that describes how vile such a pathetic excuse for a living thing like that.

[thunder rising]

12. and by executing him we take on the same description ... it's just true.

[L0oniX]

9. So we the tax payers in Florida get to pay 4 million to snuff this guy out.

Yep ...that's right. It costs 4 million in total to execute someone in Florida. What would it cost to keep to keep this guy locked up until he dies? Maybe 1 million or more. How about we give the victims 2 million and keep the guy locked up until he dies for 1 million and save the tax payers 1 million? I know its a life stolen and revenge can be sweet but nothing will bring back the dead and a life time in the slammer is a damn long lasting punishment. I am sorry this person was killed but why should we spend all that money to kill someone?

[RantinRavin]

16. We'v e already spent the money

That figure includes all the appeals that a death penalty case goes through. I believe he has already done them all.

[Xithras]

19. Problem with that logic is...

It assumes the cost of the retrial and appeals are native only to execution cases. Some states, like Florida, assume this because there is an automatic appeal filed for guilty death penalty cases. The assumption is that, if you're going to kill someone, you MUST retry to test the verdict. The logic falls apart when you realize that many states have an identical clause for life without parole convictions. You're going to spend about the same money either way.

An argument against the DP based on money is doomed to failure. Even if you could prove conclusively that it's more expensive to execute someone than to suffer through all of the appeals of a life without parole conviction, you're going to be helpless in the face of the "At what cost justice?" argument.

It has to be a moral debate.

[depakid]

25. "At what cost vengence?"

Most Americans don't much care about cost or morality, provided that they get their pound of flesh.

And not just capital punishment- but draconian sentences for much lesser crimes. Hence, the world's largest and most expensive prison system.

[Bake]

28. Not a mandatory re-trial.

You only retry if the appellate court finds that there was reversible error at the trial stage.

I agree that ultimately the issue is a moral one; nevertheless, the practical issue of the cost of the entire process of trial, appeal(s), and executions is relevant.

Bake, Esq.

[customerserviceguy]

36. There is one thing

that having a death penalty on the books does do for our society. When the heinously guilty realize that pleading a case out for life without parole (or some similarly extra-long sentence) spares them the possibility of the needle, they save the victim's family the torture of a trial on top of the losses they've already suffered. And when some schlocky lawyer can get the heinously guilty life without parole instead of a death sentence upon appeal (as a fall-back position), then the attorney can say that he's done his job and walk away.

Our prisons are full of people who made just such a bargain, and are willing to live with the consequences. I can live with that, too.

[Parche]

10. Good

People like this dont deserve to live.......
:hi:

[thunder rising]

13. I think you have one too many 'o's in the post. The first part of that book you swear is inspired

by God ... is not yours unless you are Jewish.

But white American loves to invite themselves in 'cause they really love to kill.

[Parche]

27. Huh?

:shrug: :shrug: :hi:

[VP505]

11. No doubt that there

are people in this world that do horrible, heinous things and do not deserve to remain in society. That said when there is NO corruption in law enforcement or the courts and we can eliminate any doubt, not to a moral certainty but to an absolute certainty then and only then would I consider killing people by execution.

[JBear]

14. May the gods have mercy on all those involved. (nt)

[iverglas]

15. and once again, the poor bewildered foreigner looks around

and wonders what cesspool of vicious right-wingery she has inadvertently wandered into ...

[LeftyMom]

17. It's not just the foreigners.

Florida can't even run an election and we want to give them power over life and death? :wtf:

[samsingh]

18. good let him be executed. he's a horrible monster who

deserves far worse

[michreject]

21. Wow!!!!!!

It only took 16 years.:mad:

[UndertheOcean]

22. I think life in prison is much more punishment than death

[sandnsea]

24. You should have been relieved since 1992

While you've been in a tizz over this guy, thousands of other kids have been molested and a hundred murdered. What the hell good does his execution do to stop anything? Colossal waste of time and money. Feel good revenge, that's all it is. If you care, get more programs to help kids learn how to keep safe, get more block parents, get more research into sexual assault, etc.

[Sancho]

26. The REAL issue in Florida is how we got to this point!

Jeb (and Florida) have disbanded social services, mental health, rehabilitation, drug intervention, and juvenile support for a decade. Even though this was a horrible crime, the vast majority of these criminals have long histories where many interventions should have been available. I don't pretend that there is a cure for all the criminal behaviors and psychological problems, but the overall increases in major crimes in Florida are a consequence of a decade of simply turning wayward youth into career criminals instead of dealing with them in some other way.

I have personally witnessed both a psychologist and psychiatrist send reports to the court that a teenager was mentally ill and dangerous...and the judge simply said that he had no place to put the kid, so 2 months later the 15 year old broke into a house, raped a young girl, and shot the father to death!

Florida has a new record of putting more youth in jail for life than any other state; they build prisons while cutting education and family services; and they have the worst run social services for foster kids that can be imagined.

Some of this is preventable, and Jeb should be in prison along with many of the "killers".


:rant:

[IndyJones]

29. They shouldn't execute him, they should just let him free in the

prison and let nature take its course. Let someone else do to him what he did to that poor child.

[Dogtown]

34. The very fact that rape is possible in prison

is a stand-alone condemnation of the system.

If your intended victim is a really tough guy, has a alot of really tough friends, or falls under the protection of a powerful inmate, your vigilante rapists will find an easier victim. Such as an 18 yo 'virgin"; virgin to the rapists embrace as well as a "cherry" to the system, a near-child who can't find protection.

In fact, your intended rape-victim might claw his way to the front of the pack in order to rape another child.

I think it's better to really think things through and post judiciously rather than just go for the instant gratification of venting our repressed rage.

Don't think I'm being judgemental or picking a fight; I went off on halfcock yesterday & had to apologize by PM.

[iverglas]

37. thanks for that

I always just get as far as wondering what kind of scum would think, let alone actually say out loud, that a prison system that doesn't protect incarcerated offenders from violence and abuse is a good thing, and leave off.

Your pointing out of the obvious -- that their fantasy of vigilante 'justice' being exacted by the fine upstanding residents of the institutions is evidence not just of a complete lack of decency and regard for human rights, but also of a complete lack of a clue -- is appreciated.

I can't imagine any circumstance in which *I* would apologize for pointing out that someone was both cluless and vicious, so that incident must have involved something else altogether. ;)

[Dogtown]

42. Tx for the prop, iverglas

I can understand the rage against this type of offender, but we have to think beyond our gut reaction to the implications and actualities less we become as bad as the "hanging-judge" republicans.

And there are *far* too many innocents incarcerated in this country as collateral damage in the 'War on Drugs"(tm).

(Yes, in that other matter, I "reacted" to what I wrongly perceived as a "trigger" and name-called. I was wrong, I was corrected publicly & I conceded that I'd messed up. That concession & a humble PM resolved it. OH, lest there be confusion, this was an entirely different matter and a different poster.
I don't want to "call" anyone "out", here, just provide a more in-depth view of some realities of our prison system.)

:hi:

[msanthrope]

30. The government should not have the power of life and death

over us.

Generally, I find that people who disagree with that statement cling to the belief that the government will never have the power of life and death over them....only over the 'others' who 'deserve' the death penalty.....

While this man's actions are beyond redemption and forgiveness, I still don't think that our government has the right to take away our most fundamental Liberty interest.

[mainegreen]

31. I'd say good, but you know, I just don't trust Florida's judicial system.

Not enough to kill a man anyways.

To many stories about how inept, stupid, corrupt and frankly insane Florida is.

[Jersey Ginny]

38. My sentiments also. Is ther evidence really clear-no doubt at all?

It's this kind of case that keeps me ambivalent about the death penalty, although I know it is better to be against it. I know that the boy can't be brought back, that society will be protected from this criminal if he is in prison, and that the people who commit the state-sponsored murder are also victims as killing anyone wounds the psyche/soul deeply. However, I just can't get upset about this guy getting the death penalty. Maybe one day I'll evolve to a consistent position.

[Miss Carly]

33. We should not have to pay to feed, clothe him and provide entertainment any longer

He took the life of a child, brutally and unmercifully, he had just gotten out of prison for a previous rape when he killed this young boy. He deserves to die, he would more than likely kill again if he were turned on the streets, it's an issue of public safety, for parents and especially children.
Carly

[mitchum]

35. He took his chances and this is the payoff

[OhioChick]

39. Good. n/t

[OmahaBlueDog]

40. I'm not going to flame: I just would prefer life in solitary for him

It's cheaper, slower punishment.

[old mark]

41. If you Google the murderer's name

you will find he has been violently raping children since 1986 when he was 17.
He is a sexual predator of children, he will never "change" or gain any insight that what he does is reprehensible.
He will continue to do this till he hs dead.

mark

[Bill McBlueState]

43. We're trusting the folks who brought us Election 2000...

to mete out life and death?

What a messed up state of affairs.

[Dogtown]

44. EXACTLY, Bill

And before I get branded an apologist let me say that I believe the condemned is an absolute monster and concede that he is guilty as charged.

The real concern here is "Who can we trust to decide?"

Posters in this thread who declare their glee or exclaim that he deserves his fate?

I don't want them to judge me; perhaps they think that Jews deserve to die, or Muslims, or homosexuals. Atheists. Miscegenators. Welfare moms. Druggies.

The fact is that most executed prisoners in this country are non-white; hence they were convicted of some crime *and* being non-white; QED they were convicted of being non-white.

THAT'S what's wrong with the death penalty.