From The Automatic Earth blog...
Stoneleigh and Ilargi previously posted over at the Oil Drum,
http://www.theoildrum.com/ Stoneleigh bio
http://www.theoildrum.com/user/StoneleighIlargi: The inflation vs deflation discussion never seems to end. So here's yet another attempt at solving the errors that are constantly being injected. Trillions of dollars are gone through house price declines, imploding securities and dissolving derivatives, with much more to come (make that go). and we are supposed to enter an inflationary period? That is not possible, folks.
Inflation, when used as a term to describe rising prices in a particular segment of the economy, inevitably becomes a hollow term. These days, we can constantly read things like "food inflation" or "food price inflation". But there is no such thing. How do we know that? Well, there are several ways to figure this one out.
First, if you can call rising prices in one part of an economy "inflation", where does that stop? If for example food prices stay equal except for vegetables, do we have "vegetable inflation"? Perhaps the most obvious way to put this is to ridicule it. If prices for everything else remain the same, or even fall, but cookies get more expensive for some reason, are we seriously going to talk about "cookie inflation"? If not, there's no such thing as "food inflation" either.
Second, say we were to talk about inflation if for instance food prices go up, and food prices only. It's by no means impossible that prices for other items go down simultaneously. Using the terms this way, we would need to accept inflation and deflation happening at the same time. And that is ridiculous; the terms would have no meaning.
All this to say that rising prices by themselves cannot indicate inflation. Instead, it must be the other way around. You must have inflation first, defined as an increase in money supply and/or credit supply, and rising prices must come after. And it needs to be rising prices across the board, not just in one part of the economy.
In any other definition, the term "inflation" becomes nonsensical. A bad grain harvest turns into "grain inflation", peak oil leads to "oil inflation". And a strike in the cookie factory leads to cookie inflation. Yeah right. Let's stop doing that, why don't we?
Apart from all this linguistic theorizing, Steve Moyer's article below has a lot of other very valid points as well, that I think everybody needs to read. We are way past the maybe phase in all of this.
http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/2008/05/post-bubble-bubble-bubble-time.htmlReal Estate and Credit Deflation: The Next Dozen Shoes to Drop
May 10, 2008 - 08:02 AM By: Steve_Moyer
This is no cyclical downturn, friends. This is post-bubble-bubble-bubble time in the U.S. (and now we've added deflating China and India stock bubbles to the mix). When the happy talkers on CNBC tell you about real estate or investment cycles "since World War II" or yammer on about "typical bear markets," just know that that's why bubbles inflate in the first place; few know (or want to know) anything about investment manias, credit implosions or deflationary depressions. Few know that bubbles go bust with frightening consequences, or that housing bubble deflation is the most onerous one of them all (because far more people own houses than stocks). The "don't worry -- values will always go up!" crowd, emboldened by some sense that the Fed will surely "take care" of everything, will be the one turning bitter in the months and years ahead, while asset preservationists rule the roost.
In response to a request from one of our readers, I decided to make like a cobbler and throw out the next dozen shoes to drop as real estate and credit deflation take greater hold. I accept the challenge, and understand that these answers might have some bearing on a 2008-2009 investment decision or two. So here goes:
1. The Fed won't turn around rapidly developing and contagious "depression psychology."
2. Nothing will stop real estate values from continuing their decline;
3. "I can't get financing."
4. Banks will be under more pressure, and bank failures will follow.
5. The "Wealth Effect" will morph into the "Broke Effect."
6. Consumers will spend less with each passing month.
7. The commercial real estate value decline will intensify.
8. U.S. real estate deflation is now the world's real estate deflation.
9. Yes, your area will be hit, too. It's just a matter of time.
10. Stock markets around the globe will face ever-more downward pressure
11. Local and state governments and school districts, already under pressure, will feel the crunch more each day, and deficits, layoffs and bankruptcies will follow.
12. One bad thing leads to five others.
Lots more to read about each of the 12 items...
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article4657.html