Giuliani breaks rules by having Communion at papal mass

[merwin]

Source: Reuters

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Twice-divorced former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani took Communion at a Mass celebrated by Pope Benedict on Saturday, breaching rules that bar those who remarry outside the Church from doing so.

As he left New York's St. Patrick's Cathedral with his third wife, Judith, the failed presidential candidate confirmed to Reuters that he took Communion from a priest.

Asked if he was uncomfortable with having broken the Church ban on the divorced and remarried taking Communion, Giuliani said, "No."

The Church does not recognize divorce and teaches that divorced Catholics are still married to their earlier partner unless the Church grants them an annulment, or ruling that the initial marriage was invalid.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN1934271420080419

[RC]

1. Rules are for other people.

[JerseygirlCT]

7. Exactly

It's ok to expect that other people will have to abide by them all, but he's above all that.

What's more interesting is that he was offered communion. As if any one of the priests there didn't know who he was and his marital situation. They'd have made a big scene if it had been John Kerry and used it to grandstand about his position on abortion.

But Guiliani and his own personal behavior? No problem!

[Scairp]

36. Kerry's was divorced too

"Big scene" is putting it mildly. The shills working for the corporate media would have recommended he be burned at the stake as a heretic had he taken communion. Actually, I think they did anyway because of his pro choice stance. And doesn't anyone who has been excommunicated and takes holy communion anyway buying themselves a one way ticket to purgatory? Can't remember. Practicing Catholics, help out here please.

[SpiralHawk]

9. Republicons are 'special.'

So they imagine.

[matt819]

22. Rules don't apply to republicans or clintons (nt)

[mike_c]

29. come on, it's a stupid rule, even when republican asshats break it....

Good for Ghouliani, I say. That "rule" makes just about as much sense as anti-gay marriage rules. More power to anyone who breaks them, IMO.

[Joe Bacon]

32. IOKIYAR strikes again

All animals are equal BUT elephants are more equal than others...

[yourout]

2. If he went to confession by the time he was done we would have a new pope.

[meow2u3]

3. Ghouliani is committing sacrilege

So is the priest who gave him Communion. If Rudy has no problem taking Communion after he has been divorced and remarried without benefit of annulment, then he's greasing his slide right into hell.

[yellowcanine]

4. It's ok as long as he is abstaining from sex with his current wife.

And he likely wasn't having sex during mass so everything is cool.

[Pastiche423]

8. I wouldn't be so sure about your last statement

His 3rd wife likes the excitement of diddling in public. She's known for it and there are pictures to prove it.

[eFriendly]

5. Rudy is a failed presidential candidate...

and an even bigger failure as a Catholic. Enjoy your stay in hell, douchebag.

[darue]

6. the failed candidate is just another buffet catholic n/t

[rurallib]

10. Was he incognito?

[formercia]

13. That would look good with his sword and cape

at his next Knights of Malta get together. :rofl:

[NutmegYankee]

11. I think its completely ok.

He should have the right to receive the sacrament. Then again, I'm Protestant, so I'm sure others will disagree with that view.

[janetle]

19. I'm Episcopalain and I agree with you

[pnwmom]

25. What isn't okay is the hypocrisy.

He wasn't speaking up when Rethugs were screaming about John Kerry receiving Communion.

[NutmegYankee]

27. Good point.

[rurallib]

28. If I remember my old teachings

you are responsible for not taking communion if you are in a state of mortal sin. He has been in a state of mortal sin at least since his second divorce if not the first (may have been annulled). So he can take communion but that just adds to the pile of mortal sins each time. Or said another way, Rudi just digging a bigger hole. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

[Demeter]

12. Too Many People Have Far Too Much Time and Not Enough Problems

This has got to be a 1st and 4th amendment issue--in this country, and 9th amendment, too.

[fishwax]

35. why are those ammendments at issue here?

[TankLV]

14. It's OK if you're a REPUKE. Let's see how they would treat John Kerry...

I bet the outcome would be very different...

[catrose]

24. Hey, the word was put out

not to give Kerry communion because he wasn't sufficiently frothing against abortion.
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/7/6/152916.shtml
Good heavens, I'd forgotten it was the current Pope Ratso that said that!

[Lefty48197]

15. I guess that means Rudy's still married to his first wife

and that he's committing adultry by having sex with his third wife.

[Jim Lane]

16. No, he's still married to his second wife

His first marriage, in 1968, was to Regina Peruggi, whom he had known since childhood. In 1975 they agreed to a separation. Then he met Donna Hanover. They began living together in 1982. In 1983 the Catholic Church granted Rudy and Regina an annulment on the grounds that they were second cousins, which, according to Rudy, he had only just discovered.

Thanks to this convenient development, Rudy is no longer married to his first wife in the eyes of the Church. No such loophole has been found concerning his marriage to Donna, his second wife, however. Therefore, I agree with your conclusion that he's committing adultery by having sex with his third wife.

[DrZeeLit]

21. Did he marry his second wife "in the church?" If not, maybe he could

get away with the sacrament?

I just know that I'm divorced and remarried and I can't go to communion.
Oh, I guess I could go to communion, but LIGHTNING would strike me dead at the rail.
Dead as a doornail. Dead as a statue of St. Christopher mouldering in the church basement.

In fact, when I was merely divorced, I attended the funeral of my former mother-in-law.
And I could not, for the life of me, get up and go to communion.
It would have been a blessing on my m-i-l, and a "good thing" all around.

Hmm... maybe I'd be under a lot more peer pressure if the Pope had officiated at her funeral?
Noooo.... I know ... I would have been STRUCK BY LIGHTNING.
Either that, or my former in-laws would have lined up at the curb and lobbed mud on my car.
Come to think of it, I have no idea if my former spouse (actually a truly GREAT guy... I'm just not married to him any more) takes communion. I am of the opinion that he will not marry again. I'm thinking he considers himself still married to me. In the spiritual sense. I could be wrong, but I think that's the deal. So, maybe he goes to communion.

Me? I tell people I'm beyond lapsed. I'm COLLAPSED.
I didn't get married in the church this time around -- I got married in an wonderful spiritual ceremony in our backyard by my masseuse.
HEY! I'm from CA. We do stuff like that.
Now that I live in VT... it's about the same. Only, no communion for this girl. Just toast with apple maple jam on Sunday morning.

[HockeyMom]

26. My Aunt was divorced

after only being married 6 months to a soldier coming home from WW2. She remarried in a civil ceremony and never took Communion again for the rest of her life. She and my Uncle were married for 50 years. Even in their 70s they were still calling each other honey and baby. Yet, in the eyes of this church they were living in sin, my cousin was a bastard, and she was still married to a man who vanished off the face of the earth.

Cruel and very sad. As soon as I came to understand the situation, I told my Aunt she should find another church.

And then we have Rudy. Something is just plain not right here.

[saigon68]

37. The Catholic church is a Criminal Enterprise

If the Priests were married their wives would disapprove of sodomy on young boys, That's why they aren't married

[Jim Lane]

33. Yes, thanks to the handy annulment, wedding #2 was in the Church

From Wikipedia: "Giuliani and Hanover then married in a Catholic ceremony at St. Monica's Church in New York on April 15, 1984." ()

Yes, that's what it says, St. Monica's Church, yuk yuk. At least Donna Hanover will never forget when her taxes are due, because it's her wedding anniversary.

Anyway, from what I've read in this thread, I gather that the history means he's still married to Hanover in the eyes of the Church, and therefore can't take communion.

[ToughLuck]

17. This is such a who cares story..keep dumbing it down press corp...way to go

[The Sushi Bandit]

18. He is such a fuckin dick!

glad I live in hawaii!

[IsItJustMe]

20. Didn't you get the memo from our glorious msm? It's OK when Republicans do it.

[hatrack]

23. But your forget - IOKIYAR!!

It's OK If You're A Republican!

[cartach]

30. Loopholes

The Catholic Church provides loopholes to get around those kinds of things like Communion, especially if you have money and influence. They should have asked the priest who gave it to him if he knew who Guiliani was, and if so,why he gave it to him. As for the Church ban on divorce,if you have again,money and influence,it's not hard to get an annulment or a ruling that an unsatisfactory marriage is invalid. Dissolving a marriage in the Catholic Church just can't be called divorce although the grounds may be identical. And if you're one of the common herd don't hold your breath if you apply.

[Hardrada]

31. Or Giuliani can call some kind of convocation to dispense

with the influence of the See of Rome and become head of his own church. It's been done before!

[AngryAmish]

34. He should be destroyed for this

[FarCenter]

38. Isn't he guilty of polygamy, not adultery?

If his marraige to Donna was not annulled, then he is still married to her. However, since he also married Judith, that would mean that he is married to two women, and therefore engaged in polygamy.

[customerserviceguy]

39. Cafeteria Catholic

Take what you want, and leave the rest behind.

My integrity required me to leave the RCC after my divorce. Guess what, I miss it like a hemorrhoid.

But this visit was not about scolding Catholics who have strayed from the rules, this was about making warm fuzzies so the fucking stupid guilt-ridden Catholics would start stuffing money into the collection basket again, because that pedophile thing is really starting to cost some serious coin!

I was sick of having the Nazi Pope all over my TV this weekend, I hope he stays gone for a long time, hopefully he'll be dead by the time he gets the notion to gin up collections again...