Sarah Jane Olsen re arrested

[jaysunb]

Source: Sacramento Bee

Sara Jane Olson has been rearrested, five days after she was released from prison for the killing of a Carmichael bank employee.

Department of Corrections spokeswoman Terry Thornton said more details will be released during a Saturday news conference



Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/1089/story/804995.html

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:evilfrown:

[Mike03]

1. No way. I can't even begin to believe this. NT

[jaysunb]

4. When is the bill ever paid ???

I was no fan of the SLA, but when do we move the fuck on ??????????????????????

[Cooley Hurd]

6. To fascists, NEVER...

[goodgd_yall]

40. She's served 6 years and now it will be one more

She was originally sentenced to 20 years (for 2 crimes). The sentence was reduced. I think the court was being pretty lenient by reducing the sentence to 6 years. The son of the victim called the DA after Olson was released. The Dept. of Corrections found it had made a mistake. So, if this were true, the "bill" hadn't been paid in full.

[BigDaddy44]

84. Absolutely

Lets say that one of those guys from Mississippi who killed Civil Rights workers in the 60's was finally arrested and convicted in...say....1995. Since the time of the murder he'd been a model citizen. Then, through an administrative snafu he was released early. Can't we move on? Why do we need to go find him again?

[jlake]

2. Thank GOD!

[fascisthunter]

3. Somebody Want to Fill Me in On Who She is?

[jaysunb]

8. best I can do

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/21/MN29VO8Q3.DTL

[fascisthunter]

11. Thank You

[Buzz Clik]

5. Is that one of the Olson twins?

She has not aged well at all.

[superconnected]

76. the twins haven't aged so well themselves.

they look like a couple of elderly bag ladies the last few years.

[kirby]

7. Fuck with the police?

"Former 1970s radical Sara Jane Olson was back in the custody of the California Department of Corrections on Saturday just days after she was freed on parole from a Central California prison."

"Spokeswoman Terry Thornton would give no details as to why Olson was detained, but said there have been "a lot of developments" in the case."

"Olson, 61, was detained Friday night between 11 p.m. and midnight at Los Angeles International Airport, airport spokeswoman Treva Miller told the Sacramento Bee."

"Olson spent six years in prison for trying to bomb Los Angeles police cars in the 1970s and was released from the state prison in Chowchilla on Monday."

All the law enforcement community was outraged that someone who threaten one of their own would be released on parole for good behavior. Hell, they probably had her on a terrorist watch list.

[zanne]

9. If she was released on parole...

She had to have broken the terms of her parole to be arrested again. If not, the re-arrest was wrong.

[question everything]

73. No, she did not break any laws.

The parole office "made a mistake" in calculating her release date. Just as they were ready to board a plane.

I think that this is torture. I think that this is inhuman punishment. Double jeopardy - whatever the term. They cannot do this to people!

They kept those bimbos in jail for less than an hour but they cannot send her free, even if they made a mistake?

What kind of sadistic these parole boards are!

[zanne]

81. They probably felt a "backlash" of public opinion...

It's amazing how corrupted our judicial system has become. These days, they're just making it up as they go along.

[sandnsea]

10. omg, that poor woman

What a complete and stupid waste of taxpayer money, all for the idea that vengeance = justice.

[leftofcool]

14. but she murdered people

[Cooley Hurd]

15. Read the story, Einstein...

:eyes:

[kestrel91316]

32. She murdered no one.

She didn't build or plant the bombs. She touched a single component of one with a single finger. The two bombs never went off.

She didn't shoot anyone. During a bank robbery (that I'm not even sure she was present at) a bystander got shot and killed in the fracas.

Yes, she did wrong. Yes, she deserved prison time. Did she herself murder? NO.

[sam sarrha]

36. read "The Shock Doctrine" by Naomi Klein, essentially th NeoCons in th white house murdered 250,000

people thru death by torture in central/south America 60's-80's not to mention the laterally millions in Africa..

they are free.. and still killing more hundreds of thousands... Olsen could have erred.. in the passion of her time there were preditory Xcons preying on idealistin students then using them for patsys, , the NeoCons are evil encarnate... there is a difference

[jaysunb]

47. Great insight...

Funny, how a lot of people think they're true progressives yet fail to realize how the past has to reference the "progress." :shrug:

[sam sarrha]

49. .... you had to be there, the cult leader/follower dynamic was entirely new.. i was kidnapped for 2

weeks by Moonies back then, on a slave labor organic farm.

[jaysunb]

51. I was right here in

Los Angeles with an upclose veiw of the whole thing.( Moonies,SDS,BPP, Nixon, Hoover, Reagan etc.) It was a very turbulent time, to be sure.

[sam sarrha]

55. i was in Berkeley CA.. 67-74 my girlfriend was gas'd by the helicopter there, national guard marchd

quickly in a formation of 2's with gas masks and fixed bare bayonets during a passing period when it was crowded, they split into a 'Y' and encircled the people that that maneuver stopped.

on the way around sandy was inside as the lead guardsman approached her, he raised his M1 Grand , swung it over her head and hit her on the inside shoulder with the handle of the bayonet, knocking her out of the circle.. she was 5'1" very cute.. they closed the circle on about 80 students then spun to face center, then dropped the bayonets to gut level, with the butt of the rifle held to their hip. no instructions, then the chopper flew over and sprayed them with really strong tear gas.

the gas drifted across the plaza into the hospital nearly killing 4 students there for severe asthma attacks from previous attacks.

they blocked the streets and made people walk miles into black skid row oakland to just cross the street at university. it was an unprovoked occupation.

they shot and killed 6 Innocent students.. it never made the news, government infiltrators started mini riots, stopped by local inhabitants with slingshots..

Reagan publically declared war on the student free speach, 'they didnt have free speach on public property' "the bill of rights was not a part of the Constitution"

[troubleinwinter]

96. I WAS THERE.

Everything you say is true, except they did not kill six students. One was killed.

The National Guard was bivoacked at the edge of our town for days. They drove tanks though our city streets for days.

They corralled and concentrated people into an area of the campus and the helicopters sprayed the gas. I took pictures of the helicopters spewing gas. We didn't know what it was at first. It was horrid. We ran into buildings or whereever we could to get a breath of air. Running without being able to breathe makes one faint.

It was a different day that they teargassed us and one person was killed, shot off a rooftop. It was the day that the physical violence by State Police (under Gov. Ronald Reagan) and local county sheriffs took place. I remember the shocking bruises on my husband's back. This was the day I grabbed the hands of some young children from the School of the Blind to help them run away out of the gas.

[maddezmom]

12. link is updated: miscalculated Olson's sentence and intend to keep her in prison another year

State corrections officials re-arrested Sara Jane Olson on Saturday - five days after she was released - and announced that they intend to keep her in prison for another year.

California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation spokesman Oscar Hidalgo said that officials miscalculated Olson's sentence and gave her a year's more time off her term than she deserved.

"We're launching an investigation to prevent this from happening again," Hidalgo said.

Hidalgo said that Olson, the former Symbionese Liberation Army member who was convicted of killing Myrna Opsahl inside the lobby of a Carmichael bank in 1975 and of trying to bomb police cars in Los Angeles, was detained Friday night at Los Angeles International Airport as she was preparing to fly to Minnesota, where her family lives.

[jaysunb]

13. Thanks

This simply stinks......

[leftofcool]

16. She is still a murderer.....period!

And should never be let out!

[Name removed]

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[sam sarrha]

30. .. i thought it ment never having to say "go Bugger yourself" again..

[pretzel4gore]

21. you're a disgrace to us bleeding heart liberals!

you just have to focus on the negative?

[kestrel91316]

34. How does a hateful ignoramus like you ever hook up with DEMOCRATS?

Do your homework. Read up on her case, and read up on the good, responsible, productive citizen she became all on her own without benefit of punishment, and then come back here to chat.

I wish that ALL Americans were as good citizens as she became.

Please do explain the purpose of life in prison for someone who hasn't been a danger to anyone for 35 years. 'Cause I want to hear it. This is America, BTW. We don't DO vengeance. We do this quaint thing called "justice".

[kirby]

50. Lemme guess, you are a LEO?

It seems whenever someone dies from a Taser or whenever there is a discussion of
rehabilitation, these LEO types chime in with their law and order macho bullshit. I guess you believe in life in prison regardless of the circumstances? She entere a plea bargain with the prosector and was sentences 6 to 14 years. She did he time. Funny how after being released and all the LEO were up in arms because she was part of a group that tried to bomb police cars, per parole date all of a sudden was miscalculated and she was arrested again.

[peacetalksforall]

83. How many ways do you have to be told? Why are you not explaining your position?

[LostinVA]

101. Agreed

[RC]

31. California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation screwed up.

Sara Jane Olson has behaved herself for 20+ years now. Letting her loose for a week, then putting her back in prison for another year smacks more of revenge than a "simple" mistake. "Mistakes" like this can't happen because release times are codified. They are not figured out by someone with a piece of scratch paper and a pencil.

[lumberjack_jeff]

65. Dumb shits. April 1st isn't for another week. n/t

[slackmaster]

102. Dios mio, mon

Another failure of public education.

[davidinalameda]

17. I'm torn

if she hasn't finished her sentence, she should go back to prison

BUT, if she was told that she was finished, she should be released

[darue]

19. I hate to bring this up, but the SLA leader was controlled and programmed by our own government

just another op to discredit the anti-war pro-peace movement

[robcon]

20. She should be treated the same as anyone who attempted murder of random cops.

If the prison miscalculated her release date, she should go back.

[aasleka]

22. everyone needs to be held accountable under the law, from cop-killers to Presidents

This is not to say our system is perfect or not free of people who would abuse it but it is a work in progress.

[Cooley Hurd]

23. But 8 years isn't enough?

...perhaps tar and feathering is more to your liking?:eyes:

[aasleka]

24. 8 years for planting bombs and murder 2? Plus evading for 25 years?

What planet are you on that 8 years is a long time for organizing bombings and murder 2?

[Cooley Hurd]

25. Never mid the two decades she was a productive member of society...

...BURN THE WITCH!

Christ... which board am I on again?:crazy:

[PSPS]

26. COME TO OBAMA!

[DBoon]

27. You are on a troll infested board

Infiltrated by people trying to make trouble, by shouting their lust for vengeance

People who should really move to a place more to their liking like Iran, where punishment is brutal

[fascisthunter]

90. Thank You for Saying It Publicly

so I don't feel the need to say it myself. I want these so-called trolls banned.

[aasleka]

? How does that make it OK?

I am completely baffled by your response, this woman was given a sentence, she was afforded a right to trial by her peers and accepted responsibility for her actions which says that she surely should be considered for leniency which 8 years is pretty lenient.

By using your logic if evidence is found 10 years after Bush leaves office that he indeed did conspire to steal elections or evidence of any one of his numerous crimes that he should be let-go, he should not have to pay his dues.

Bottom line, if the court papers have a date on it then that is what should be adhered too, that is the rule of law. Without rule of law we are no better than the GOP.

So to be called a Troll on a MB I have been perusing for almost 5 years is ridiculous. It isn't like I said I support the death penalty all I said was we need to adhere to the law.

Are you saying we should not adhere to the law? That it is OK in some instances because a person is old, white, black, brown, male, female, nice, president, rich, dumb, smart, pretty, ugly, etc.. Would you be saying the same thing if we were talking about child molesters? Priests are productive members of society right and maybe they just had one instance twenty years ago, it's not like the KILLED someone or went through the trouble to plant bombs to kill someone?

AND>>>> the only thing I have found that I may not agree with Obama is on his stance for the death penalty in certain cases, I simply don't agree that the state should kill people for killing people.

[bean fidhleir]

89. There's a *BIG* difference between her crime and Bush's

He abuses the public office of President, the office of the utmost public trust and responsibility.

He is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent people, and the maiming of so many more that they probably can't ever be counted.

He is a criminal against peace.

[kestrel91316]

60. It was nearly THREE decades, BTW.

[kestrel91316]

37. What planet are you on that you don't recognize when someone

is long since reformed and no longer any conceivable threat to society??

You lack of compassion and forgiveness is distinctly RW, even christofascist.

[aasleka]

41. Again, when Bush leaves office he won't be a threat to society anymore

does that mean if we finally get the smoking battalion of evidence from any one of his particular crimes that we shouldn't send him to jail?

I am a right winger for saying the sentence should be followed? Did she apeal upon sentencing?

[goodgd_yall]

33. I think it was more like six, so the son of the victim said.

This morning's Bee had an article on the son of the victim. Can't find the link now.

[Cooley Hurd]

42. I'm the son of a victim, and have long since forgiven that which took my father away...

...it's been 40 years since then. I found I cannot harbor hate for that long.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

44. Aren't you special.

Guess we all can't be as good as you. So I guess we never should have punished those concentration camps guards we found years later. They had lived as productive members of society for years, shouldn't they get credit for that. Keep hugging yourself thinking you are better than everyone else. Meanwhile I'll keep hoping criminals who conspire to murder police officers and kill innocent bystanders get exactly what they deserve.

David

[Cooley Hurd]

46. Wow...

You're a KING-SIZED asshole. Your Mom & Dad must be proud of you.:thumbsdown:


Shove your "I'm a hero because I passed a civil-service exam" bullshit up your ass, punk!

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

69. Mom and Dad are proud thanks.

I tend to reject the idea of people thinking they are heros for doing their job. Just wanted to point out how your self righteousness, in regards to forgiveness, may come across to someone who hasn't come to terms with his or her loss yet. I'm glad you are there. I'm sure you'll forgive my indescretion. I apologize if I've offended you in any way.

David

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

72. I truly am sorry for your loss.

I should have chosen my words better. Just came across very judgmental to me. Again I apologize for my choice of words. I'm glad you have some peace. My sincerest apologies.

David

[jaysunb]

48. You're as big a problem as some of the people you dispise

:evilfrown:

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

70. I don't despise anyone.

Not sure what gave you that idea. I'm just as bad as the next guy. Something about the splinter in my own eye. I do think that confessed murderers should serve their time.

David

[jaysunb]

75. have you bother to learn what role she played ?

??

[Gormy Cuss]

54. Aren't YOU special.

Olson/Soliah did get exactly what she deserved. The only issue now is when she's eligible for parole.

[kestrel91316]

61. She killed no one. She was involved in a robbery where

somebody ELSE shot someone.

And to compare Sara Jane Olson to Nazi concentration camp guards is truly beyond the pale.

You have outed yourself, Grendal.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

68. She pled guilty to murder

What does that make her?

[High Plains]

85. A plea bargainer?

[goodgd_yall]

45. It's probably more grief, than hate n/t

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

71. How true.

The hate will eat you alive. Of course that doesn't mean that the victims family shouldn't expect the confessed murderer, in this case, to serve their sentence in full.

David

[laylah]

88. ...

I am so sorry for your loss :hug: I had an uncle violently taken 40 years ago, also. He left many "victims", all of who chose not to live in hate. We are the better for it. Good for you.

[kestrel91316]

35. Read up on the case.

She didn't build or plant the bombs, which never went off anyway. That's "trying to kill cops" in the same way that Saddam's plots and machinations constituted the mythical "attempt" on Poppy's life.

[aasleka]

38. hmm will do, seems like it sounds familiar but I must have missed this news in 99

Will read about it and maybe she wasn't responsible or as dangerous as made out tobe but she DID plead guilty yes? she accepted punishment and should pay her time.

[kestrel91316]

56. Yes, and the corrections system allows for people incarcerated for certain

crimes to get out on parople early for good behavior. This is one of those cases.

I don't think we should get in the habit of being EXTRA harsh toward those who have already reformed themselves. It would seem quite illogical.

And furthermore, we especially shouldn't treat her unusually harshly as long as Bush and Cheney are still out on the street and haven't been brought to justice. Where the hell are our priorities, anyway?????

[Dragonfly]

52. Your words shine with deep

compassion and informed intelligence. I believe that you have seriously studied the merits of this case, as have I.

It is outrageous that this is happening to a woman who has paid her debt to society. She was/is remorseful and has hundreds of fair-minded citizens in Minnesota and elsewhere who love her dearly.

Please don't let others who use this board to unleash their never-ending calls for vengeance to dampen your Easter Eve. Some posters will read more of the total story and realize further punishment for Sara Jane is sadly unwarranted; some others will remain cold-heartedly blind.

Thanks to you, Cooley Hurd and anyone else who bespeaks an understanding of across-the-board true justice for your timely words of wisdom.

[northzax]

63. And just imagine

if she had turned herself in thirty years ago, she would have been long ago released from prison, and living her life as a productive member of society. Instead she chose to live, for twenty some odd years, without taking responsibility for her crimes (she can't claim innocence, she did plead guilty from a very strong position) there is no statute of limitations on this crime. Instead she lied everyday, and refused to either take responsibilty for her actions or defend herself against them. How is that 'paying your debt to society?' the analogy to the elderly Nazis captured in Cleveland, or BA is apt. Many of them lived quiet lives as good citizens, but it was all based on a lie, and a debt that had not been settled.

What if, just as an example, new evidence of a serious war crime from the Vietnam war was uncovered today? Another my lai, and the man who gave the orders is found living in a small town somewhere, a good life, coaches little league, church deacon, runs a small business, a pillar of the community. Does he not get punished, since he's been such a good guy ever since?

[Dragonfly]

82. Portraying SJO's case: "analogy to the elderly

Nazis captured in Cleveland is apt" forfeits respect from me on your take of this all-around tragic event in America.

What I did do for the sake of fair, rational debate is go to the Minneapolis Star-Tribune this morning to read the update on the story and the attendant timeline.

Sara Jane Olson did admittedly participate in crimes about 3-decades plus ago which have kept her rightfully locked up to pay her societal debt. It is unconscionable for California corrections to release her one day, then yank her back in after a police union protest. This sounds like "Gestapo tactics," to me. I am 59 now. I vividly remember that turbulent time as one where the political divisions in our country were similar to today's; passions on all sides were high and sometimes irrational. My Marine Corps reservist uniform was put away by then and I was teaching in the inner city, examining ways to combine a B. of Sc. sociology degree with a desire to help heal American Vietnam/civil rights wounds. My life since then has been about trying to look at all sides of issues and not make wildly inaccurate and inflammatory statements.

Please try to refrain from transforming a few extremely wrong acts of a citizen into Nazi atrocities. Your opinion will garner more weight with me and others, I'm sure, minus your mean-spirited, unbalanced view.

[fascisthunter]

91. Thank You... I Will Read Up On Her

It's a good thing you are here to counter the the sick BS I am reading. I knew something smelled bad.

[WTyler]

28. Good grief

Yes, the SLA were some pretty fucked up people. Yes, Sara Olson should have went to jail for her crimes. But, rearresting a 61 year old woman after she had been released?

[jaysunb]

53. My feelings, exactly

n/t

[goodgd_yall]

29. The son of the victim doesn't think she was punished enough

is what I was reading in The Bee this morning. Guess they agreed.

[kestrel91316]

39. The husband, on the other hand, feels justice has been served.

[goodgd_yall]

43. Two different people with two different feelings

toward loss. The son was 15 when his mother was killed. It's understandable he would be having a harder time dealing with her death. I don't have strong feelings either way, but the sentence of 6 years doesn't sound particularly harsh. Apparently a mistake was made and now she has to serve one more year. Yeah, it stinks to be out and then have to be imprisoned again, but she's getting off lightly as it is.

[kestrel91316]

62. She's not "getting off lightly" She is serving EXACTLY the sentence.

the DA wanted when they gave her the plea bargain. And which, by law, the judge had to approve.

You got a beef with the sentence, go cry to the bleeding-heart liberal DA you think let her off scott-free.

[Crooked Moon]

57. Freed SLA member Olson arrested again

Source: sacbee.com

State corrections officials re-arrested Sara Jane Olson on Saturday - five days after she was released - and announced that they intend to keep her in prison for another year.

California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation spokesman Oscar Hidalgo said that officials miscalculated Olson's sentence and gave her a year's more time off her term than she deserved.

"We're launching an investigation to prevent this from happening again," Hidalgo said.

Hidalgo said that Olson, the former Symbionese Liberation Army member who was convicted of killing Myrna Opsahl inside the lobby of a Carmichael bank in 1975 and of trying to bomb police cars in Los Angeles, was detained Friday night at Los Angeles International Airport as she was preparing to fly to Minnesota, where her family lives.

Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/749/story/804995.html

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this should raise some eyebrows.

[jimshoes]

58. Isn't that like double jeopardy

or something. Wow.

[BigDaddy44]

64. Its not double jeopardy

She got released early by accident. So they picked her up and are putting her back in for another year.

[jimshoes]

80. No I don't suppose it is double jeopardy

It's more a case of government ineptitude and bumbling with just a wee touch of sadism thrown into the mix just for fun.

[kestrel91316]

59. Launching an investigation? ROFLMAO

I'm betting this was DELIBERATE, and intended to torment her and break her spirit.

THey can't do basic math? Yeah, right.

[redtornado]

67. Its not about hate..

Its about justice. Simply evading the law for a period of time doesnt change the facts. And point of fact, If you are taking part in a robbery and someone is killed, whether you personally kill them or not, you are a murderer.

Im holding off judgement until I know why she was rearrested.

[Honeycombe8]

66. Rough to think you're out, but really it was a mistake. But the chick is responsible for murder...

she got off light, to begin with. Yeah, she didn't pull the trigger, but that's a minor point. Under most laws, when you commit robbery with lethal weapon, and someone is killed, you can be charged w/murder. It is FORESEEABLE that someone will get harmed or killed, when you rob someone with a lethal weapon. Hello.

6 years for THAT? She got off pretty light, esp. considering all the years she was out and about, living life to the fullest, cooking and taking kids to soccer practice, living in a nice house. While her victim laid rotting in his grave.

Nice to know she changed her evil ways and got smart. But she still has to pay for the harm she did to someone's spouse, someone's parent, someone's child. The victim matters.

[Ellen Forradalom]

107. "Chick"?

Helluva way to refer to a mature woman and/or hardened criminal. :eyes:

[troubleinwinter]

74. Her crimes and guilt do NOT MATTER.

What matters is the incessant incompetent fuckups. It was a "clerical error." "We understand how sensitive the impact of such an error has on all involved in this case and regret the mistake".

Either nobody with a job gives a fuck about doing a decent job anymore, or supervisors don't give a fuck or don't give training, or....

It's deliberate.

Is there anybody left in any agency that is competent anymore?

It's like stop-loss. Just when you think you're done, served, you go back again and again.

[superconnected]

77. I'm having a hard time feeling bad for this murderer who ran for 24 years

having to spend a little more of the sentence in prison.

[troubleinwinter]

78. I wonder what people think about Bernadine Dohrn, Bill Ayers, and Brett Kimberlin...

Unrepentant serial bombers.

Betcha I get no responses.

[cornermouse]

79. You're wrong and thank you.

Even though I was a pre-teen/teen in that era I didn't know who they are/were and had to look them up. Everything considered, I'd say they they've turned out quite well.

[troubleinwinter]

87. They "turned out well", except they are all unrepentant, and one won't discount doing it all again.

"So, would Mr. Ayers do it all again?, he is asked "I don't want to discount the possibility...I don't regret setting bombs, I feel we didn't do enough." he said in 2001."

Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorhn advocated the violent overthrow of the US Government, made preparations for bombing a U.S. military non-commissioned officers' dance in what had been intended to be "the most horrific hit the United States government had ever suffered on its territory", along with bombing actions against the U.S. Capitol, The Pentagon, police and prison buildings.

Three people died. It happens that the ones who died were their own people while fabricating bombs, but the intention was to murder others.

He doesn't regret setting bombs, and says he wouldn't discount doing it all again. I wonder if you ran across this part... These are the unrepentant serial bombers who "launched" Obama's start in politics.

"When I first met Barack Obama, he was giving a standard, innocuous little talk in the living room of Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn,” Warren wrote on her blog in 2005. “They were launching him — introducing him to the Hyde Park community as the best thing since sliced bread.”

I think we'll hear about this from the GOP 527 ads in Sept., Oct., Nov.

Brett Kimberlin (co-founder of Velvet Revolution), set 8 bombs, one in a school parking lot, blowing off a mans's leg, who eventually died. The man's widow won a $1.6 million dollar civil judgement against Kimberlin. His outlook to this day on his 50 year prison sentence is that he was a 'political prisoner'.

Strange history.

[mopinko]

92. warriors for peace.

just how far should one go to stop a tragedy? just how far should one go to stop a killing machine?
bernadine dohrn paid her debt to society. before prison, in prison, after prison, she has dedicated her life to peace, to a better world for the next generation, to a better chicago for our citizens that are left out.
bill ayers could sit on his ass, and stay out of the spotlight if he so chose. instead, he continues to be a force for education and for children, and does not hide from what he did.
these people are a credit to my city. you do not know them. you are repeating a tiny and jaundiced soundbite.
i wonder if we would be in iraq if there were people willing to go to these lengths today. what would be an acceptable price to avert the deaths of so many thousands?

[troubleinwinter]

93. Right... Serial bombers for peace. Terrorism for peace.

"Just how far should one go to stop tragedy?" As far as bombing innocent people I guess, according to these people.

"before prison, in prison, after prison, she has dedicated her life to peace" Well, no. Before prison she dedicated herself to planning and setting bombs.

"you are repeating a tiny and jaundiced soundbite" I am repeating HIS OWN words, spoken in 2001. If you don't like his words, take it up with him. They are his words, not mine.

It isn't me you'll need to concern yourself with, anyway. It is the other people who will be subject to the Oct. 527 ads.

"you do not know them" No, I don't. Nor do most others in this country.

[mopinko]

94. 527s- yes liars lie, spinners spin

i'm sure they are grateful for the help of people like you.
no, you do not know them. i do. i should be as brave and as willing to put my own life on the line as they were.

[troubleinwinter]

95. I help them?

As if the GOP 527s need any help.

You may "know them", most don't and will take their words into account. Good luck showing voters that these were "brave" people.

"i should be as brave and as willing to put my own life on the line as they were." They did not intend to put their own lives on the line, they intended to put OTHERS' lives on the line, to murder others with bombs.

"liars lie" Are you suggesting that I have lied? SHOW IT.

[mopinko]

97. they knew full well that they could face prison or death

they were willing to take the consequences of their actions. had their plans worked out, they would likely have been executed.
i am not suggesting you are lying. just that 527s will put out plenty of lies.

but i have a feeling that many here wish they had the nerve to take more drastic actions to stop these murderous thugs that have stolen our country. or wish they had done so at the time this all started. where would we be now if people had really disobeyed this junta? perhaps 4,000 would not be dead. the cost of doing nothing is usually the highest. would you trade a few deaths for the many? to say nothing of the countless iraqis? again, i should be as brave as they were.

[troubleinwinter]

98. "willing to take the consequences" Like hiding for 20 years? WTF?

"had their plans worked out" they would have murdered hundreds.

My idea of "actions to stop these murderous thugs" does not include murdering people with bombs.

You ask "would you trade a few deaths for the many?" Exactly which few would you suggest?

[mopinko]

99. whether or not to fight for peace is a pretty ancient argument

we 2 are not going to decide this question.
these things happened after ohio, after chicago, and deep into the viet nam war. their target, the capital, would have been considered a legitimate target in pretty much any war that had ever been fought. only arrogant america would think such a target off limits after firing on our own people so many times.

bill and bernadine, for whatever they did or tried to do a long time ago, have lived the rest of their lives in exemplary service to others. and i really wouldn't bother to argue about it except that people are trying to pin their actions to barack. who was a little kid at the time.

so, let's just both let it sink now. this is getting enough oxygen.

[John Kerry VonErich]

103. I don't get it either

It seems to me, IMO, that there are people here who are not only willing to die for the cause but kill for the cause. Which is what Kimberlin, Ayers and Dorhn wanted. A "War Against War" of sorts and then some.

[DinahMoeHum]

106. "Killing for Peace = Fucking for Virginity"

applies to spoiled rich brats playing at revolution as well as warmongers like Bush and Cheney.

:evilfrown:

[Ellen Forradalom]

108. I don't care for them at all

We can live without self-styled revolutionary glamour-pusses.

However, this clerical-error-leading-to-rearrest business is for the birds. You mean no one double checked before letting her out? Jeezus. Idiots.

[Haole Girl]

86. Thanks for the post

I lived in Carmichael at the time of the murder. Still, to this day, I cringe when I hear the name "SLA". Maybe it was because I was only 12 when they terrorized California, maybe it's because it never made sense to me, or because they were so extremely violent. Whatever the reason, and whether the re-arrest was "right or wrong," nothing surprises me anymore when I hear news concerning any of the former members.

[LostinVA]

100. I can't believe her sentence was so light -- she deserved to serve the full 20 years

MINIMUM.

Cold-blooded murder.

[baldguy]

104. Terrorists don't get early parole unless it is earned.

And the parole process is so linked to the discretion of the parole board and the prison administration, that a prisoner like Olsen wouldn't be released with a damn good reason.

Obviously political pressure was brought upon the DoC the put her back behind bars.

[jaysunb]

105. Exactly !

and that's what I object to.