Graham on MSNBC on 9/11 now

[Pallas180]

.

[Emboldened Chimp]

1. details?

[Pale Blue Dot]

2. AAAUUUUURRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!

They cut it off!

[IndianaGreen]

5. He is on MSNBC

and he is still talking. Looks bad for the government.

[Pale Blue Dot]

7. MSNBC just swtiched to Rummy!

AAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH! :grr:

[oldcoot]

14. This is so obvious!

Is there anything that Rummy is saying that could not wait?

[are_we_united_yet]

64. Is there anything that Rummy is saying?

This is the real question

[Fleshdancer]

16. Go to C-SPAN3

If you don't have it, try the website.

[IndianaGreen]

3. Graham is solid

and he voted against the war in Iraq. Graham is a better choice than Kerry.

[Kahuna]

19. HUH???

:o :o :o

[Cush]

4. Resistance?

Subtle swipe at the Bushies???

[lkinsale]

6. Oh, we interrupt with a Pentagon briefing, how convenient

Wouldn't anyone to pay too much attention to the 9/11 report.

[IndianaGreen]

8. Shit! They switch to Rumsfeld's press conference

and it is not on C-SPAN.

Was the release of the Hussein brothers pictures timed with the release of the 9/11 report?

[CO Liberal]

10. Like the Way 9/11 Was Timed.....

...with the release of the 2000 Electrion report?

:tinfoilhat:

[FloridaPat]

27. It was suppose to be this morning but was

conviently moved.

[SpiralHawk]

9. Move along now

Nothing to see here.

Wouldn't you really rather examine -- in forensic detail -- the photos of Qusay and Ouday -- hey, hey, hey, get your ghoul on.

[Corgigal]

11. Rumsfield

Is now all 3 news cable channels saying BS.

Oh this was planned.

[Corgigal]

12. Rumsfield

Is now all 3 news cable channels saying BS.

Oh this was planned.

[Pallas180]

17. Can you believe it????? Who has CNN, MSNBC phone numbers??

pl;ese post them. so we can call and complain

[Pallas180]

18. Can you believe it????? Who has CNN, MSNBC phone numbers??

pl;ese post them. so we can call and complain

[Corgigal]

13. Rumsfield

Is now all 3 news cable channels saying BS.

Oh this was planned.

[Wonder]

15. Here is an interesting augmentation to this.

I am not sure this is the best place to for it but it feeds into this topic as well.

How Bush Blew His Chance to Learn More About Al Queda and Saudi Financing Of Terror In Order to Attack Iraq

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Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh details how the Bush Administration destroyed U.S.-Syrian relations by attacking a convoy of cars inside Syria last month in an attempt to assassinate Saddam Hussein. It turned out the convoy was made up of dozens smuggling goods out of Iraq. Syria has since stopped sharing intelligence with the U.S. It was shortly after midnight on June 19 in Iraq. U.S. special forces caught sight of a convoy of dozens of cars racing toward the Syrian border. With hopes Saddam Hussein and his sons were in the convoy, the U.S. bombed the vehicles after they had crossed into Syria. Up to 80 people died. The U.S. detained a group of Syrians. No one in the Hussein was in the convoy.

The mission was a failure in more ways than one.

According to a report by Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh, the attack has destroyed U.S.-Syrian relations. Although it is not widely known outside intelligence circles, Syria, since 9/11, has provided Washington with key information on the war on terror.

"The best relationship we probably had of any ally in terms of learning about Al Qaeda and they blew it. They blew it for short-term, ideological reasons, which is nothing new for this government," said Hersh about the Bush administration.

Hersh, speaking to Democracy Now! on the same day that the 9/11 Congressional report is to be released said Syria also could have provided the U.S. with detailed intelligence on how Saudi Arabia.

"Syria and Saudi Arabia were really close for 20 years. And there's a great deal of information the Syrians have that we don't know," Hersh said.

On another Iraq matter, Hersh says the U.S. media has failed to adequately cover the intelligence scandal surrounds the alleged Iraq-Niger uranium deal.

" didn't get it on Niger. They didn't get the implications of that story, which was that something was very seriously wrong. And I still think the question that has to be answered," Hersh said.

Hersh went on to say that the Bush administration has been consistently misleading the American public on Iraq since Sept. 11.

" I also venture to say probably the most honest document we've had made public about Iraq was the much maligned 12,000-page statement by none other than Saddam Hussein... It's probably more accurate than anything this government put out." Hersh said.

* Seymour Hersh, Pulitzer Prize winning investigative reporter with The New Yorker. "The Syrian Bet" is his newest article. In March he wrote the first detailed article outlining the story behind the Bush administration?s use of forged documents that indicated Iraq tried to purchase uranium from the African nation of Niger.



http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/07/24/1513238

[Pallas180]

20. OK C span picked it up - just found - live.

.

[librechik]

21. on c-span 1 as a drop in window for the mo

:kick:

[1984ever]

22. Thanks..

for the heads up. How dare they cut this off right now for something Rummy could have told us about any other time of the day!
:mad:

[Pallas180]

23. Nancy Pelosi just GAVE IT to Bush Admin for 6 months of holding

back info they needed and covering up associatins
of countries which supported terrorists.

GO NANCY...plainspoken but polite...damn good

[IndianaGreen]

25. and how many people watch C-SPAN 3?

There is no audience to watch this!

They are watching Rummy, who will be followed by the pictures of the Hussein brothers.

[1984ever]

26. C-Span

It WAS on C-Span, but they just NOW cut it off ?!!?

[Pallas180]

36. ALOT-since the cables became "state owned" - donahue remember?

.

[leftchick]

24. They really should have called rummy's bluff on this

The pentagon announced the meeting at 2:00 pm this morning. The 9/11 commision should have rescheduled theirs after hearing that annoucement. You really need to stay two or four steps ahead of rove to make your voice heard.

[1984ever]

28. CNN: Kobe

Real news

[lkinsale]

29. Even c-span cuts off Graham as he starts to reply to "is it political"

Just as Graham started to reply to a question of whether the redactions are politically motivated, c-span switches from the 9/11 press conf to some kind of vote thing. This has happened 3 times now

I don't watch c-span--is it possible the house chair is calling for procedures just to cut off any embarrassing answers shown at the press conf? Or just coincidence?

[Pallas180]

31. OUTRAGED everytime Graham talks they cut off. What is it

that he has to say they dont want us to hear
gdammit

[Pallas180]

33. GOOD CSPAN RELPAY TONITE

.

[twilight]

30. evidence of attacks in 1998

I think that is what was said on C-SPAN. There were absolute evidence that major areas would be attacked by al Queda and that it would involve planes! The evidence dates as far back as 1998 and they were alluded to as being more than one warning - all of which were IGNORED apparently ON PURPOSE!

No wonder Clinton is saying lets move on --- he's in it up to his a$$ too damnit!

Holy sh*t!! This report is going make some heads ROLLLLLL!!!!!

:kick:

[Pallas180]

34. scuse me??? wasnt 98 when Clinton was lobbing missiles at

Osama and the rethuglicans were calling it
wag the dog? HUH

he didnt dare do more....they roasted him for
it

sooooooo PUHLEEZ - not that im thrilled with
Bill new centrist movement....but he was goddmanned
good for the economy and the middle classs and the poor

need I remind you?

[twilight]

37. I am merely stating what was said

and it goes back to the days of Clinton as he himself has admitted - knowledge of possible attacks. Clinton himself tried to oust OBL!

Like it or not the truth sticks whether we like it or not!

:kick:

[diplomats]

41. If this report implicated Clinton the WH would've rushed its release

and not stonewalled. Most of the stuff that happened when Clinton was president he has addressed, as you say.

[twilight]

43. it implicates many people apparently

Not just Clinton. It apparently states that the current admin. as well as the previous one had warnings of attacks via planes dating back as long as 1998 and that they were ignored for the most part.

:kick:

[KAZ]

48. It Absolutley was NOT ignored during WJC admin.

I'm sick of hearing this.
http://www.cnn.com/US/9609/05/airport.security/

See Sandy Burger's warning to Shrub also, in Jan 01.

[TheBlob]

57. This only reinforces the fact that Clinton knew the threat

of terrorism was serious while all his warnings were rebuffed by the Republicans in power. They just didn't give a damn. Nothing was more important than tearing down his Presidency. The infuriating thing about it all is that the Twin Towers are what ended up being torn down.

Terrorism didn't start on 9/11.
The only thing that changed that day was Republicans became AWARE of it.

[hang a left]

56. Also if everyone remembers

Bill bombed Bagdad right in the middle of the impeachment hearings and the Reps said he was bombing for distraction

[Wonder]

53. shit I was mocking up tent cards and missed the c-span feed SHIT

OKAY tell me in pragmatic terms if not you someone, a brief synopsis, or if not a brief synopsis do you think a transcript will be available, or at the very least what are the rundowns on if these head ARE going to roll or will they continue to hide this shit in plain sight.

oh well I will read through the whole thread later and keep my eyes for a transcript.

[Cheswick2.0]

65. nope

did the attacks happen when clinton was pres? No. Did these guys study to become pilots here in the US when clinton was Pres? No. Why? Because Clinton stayed up one the problem of terrorism and had weekly meetings. Al Gore wrote a report, Hart wrote a report, they warned bush and he was too freaking busy being the anti Clinton to take a little advice. The deaths of all those people are on the head of Uncurious George.

PS, I saw Michael Isikoff (or however the heck you spell his name) on C-span trying to blame Clinton and he can KMA too.

[twilight]

32. kick!!

They are discussing it RIGHT NOW on CSPAn LIVE!!

Pelosi up next and will be reshown tonight they just said!

:kick: :kick:

:kick: :kick:

[twilight]

35. Pelosi is giving them hell

She said save the headstart program or WHAT IS LEFT OF IT!!!

This woman is becoming BOLD indeed!

Will keep you posted if I see anything more.

One guy called in a Republican and he said he was fed up with this and other administrations before this and he commended Nancy Pelosi for her remarks of the 911 report.

He also said that he wished people would WAKE UP to the realities!

Another woman just called in and said that she did not understand why Americans did wake up also! She agreed with the above caller!

This is getting HOT!

:kick:

[knowledgeispower]

61. Pelosi has really impressed me

She is willing to go after the Republicans, UNLIKE one Congressman Gephardt.

[twilight]

38. static on the television

during both Graham and Pelosi ... how freakin convenient!!! Cannot let the truth be heard can we!!!


:nuke:

[runamokcomedy]

39. static on television

I blame DeReg...this whole admin is all about DeReg...
Whats weird about Graham is he could easily have memory blackouts from heart surgery...he might have already briefed everyone but just forgot....

[Pallas180]

49. blackouts from heart surgery - ridiculous.

.

[runamokcomedy]

50. blackouts from surgery-ridiculous

Read latest Scientific American, it happens ALOT...

[lkinsale]

55. Don't worry, Graham has his notebooks

Even if he did have memory blackouts (unlikely) he's got it all written down. :P

[Robbien]

51. I wonder if Bush saying he would veto the FCC ban has a lot

to do with this. The media beat up Bush for two weeks until Bush said okay he will veto the bill which put the limits back on the FCC. Now the media is back in Bush's corner.

[Stephanie]

40. Is the report downloadable?

Is it available anywhere yet?

[twilight]

42. its a huge book!

It is blue and about the size of a large dictionary I'd say. Most likely not downloadable!

FOI request?

:kick:

[BrewerJohn]

45. link from C-SPAN site

http://www.cspan.org/congress/fullreport_errata.pdf

Just downloaded it, about 5.5 Megs

[twilight]

47. it is 858 pages!

I don't think that takes 5 mins. to download, esp. on a dial-up connection!

thanks for the link! :)

[Stephanie]

52. thanks!

Saving now.

[Wonder]

54. oooh Boy!

I hadn't seen this post but I missed the interviews perhaps c-span will rerun it. I do not like missing this stuff.

thanks!

[Pallas180]

44. Pelosi says White House is misusing "national security" to cover

up for personal and friends matters and that is
not the proper use....says in 10 years in
Congress has never seen a more secretive administra
tion.

In other words 28 pages of blanked out info is not
necessary for secrecy but more cover up. !

[Pallas180]

46. Pelosi phone # is 202 225 4965 - give her a call of gratitude for

her strength and great tough job she is doing

plain spoken and sincere. Lets us know whats
really going on.

It would be nice if Daschle had her guts.

[young_at_heart]

66. Others need to join her criticism

Every word she says is true....hammer it home!

[Sven77]

58. Mysterious 9-11 Breakfast Meeting on Capitol Hill

mike ruppert had some great info on 9/11, heres some i picked up off the web.

On the morning of September 11, Pakistan's Chief Spy General Mahmoud Ahmad, the alleged "money-man" behind the 9-11 hijackers, was at a breakfast meeting on Capitol Hill hosted by Senator Bob Graham and Rep. Porter Goss, the chairmen of the Senate and House Intelligence committees.

On the morning of Sept. 11, Goss and Graham were having breakfast with a Pakistani general named Mahmud Ahmed -- the soon-to-be-sacked head of Pakistan's intelligence service. Ahmed ran a spy agency notoriously close to Osama bin Laden and the Taliban. 17

Graham was well qualified to review the events of 9/11, as he was a part of the unusual events that transpired on Black Tuesday. According to an article appearing in the Washington Post on May 18, 2002, Graham and former CIA agent Goss were having breakfast (on the morning of 9/11) with a Pakistani general named Mahmud Ahmed -- the soon-to-be-sacked head of Pakistan's intelligence service (ISI), a spy agency notoriously close to Osama bin Laden and the Taliban.

Graham and Goss had visited Pakistan about two weeks before 9/11 to discuss the extradition of Osama bin Laden with Pakistani officials and a Taliban representative, according to later news accounts. Less than a month after the secret agent Senator had breakfast with the Paki spy chief on 9/11, a bizarre story appeared in the Times of India under the headline - India Helped FBI Trace ISI-terrorist Links:

While the Pakistani Inter Services Public Relations claimed that former ISI director-general Lt-Gen Mahmud Ahmad sought retirement after being superseded on Monday, the truth is more shocking. Top sources confirmed here on Tuesday, that the general lost his job because of the "evidence" India produced to show his links to one of the suicide bombers that wrecked the World Trade Centre. The US authorities sought his removal after confirming the fact that $100,000 were wired to WTC hijacker Mohammed Atta from Pakistan by Ahmad Umar Sheikh at the instance of Gen Mahumd.

http://members.aol.com/scarien/graham1.htm
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO206A.html

[demgrrrll]

59. Rebublicrat? Stealth candidate for the Imperial President? Graham?

I might need a little more information about the author of this article before I comment.

[RedSock]

60. it's true

and common knowledge among 911 researchers.

from:
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/


September 11, 2001 (H): At the time of the attacks, ISI Director Lt. Gen. Mahmood Ahmed is at a breakfast meeting at the Capitol with the chairmen of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees, Senator Bob Graham (D) and Representative Porter Goss (R) (Goss is a 10-year veteran of the CIA's clandestine operations wing). The meeting is said to last at least until the second plane hits the WTC. (Washington Post, 5/18/02) Graham and Goss later co-head the joint House-Senate investigation into the 9/11 attacks, which has made headlines for saying there was no "smoking gun" of Bush knowledge before 9/11. (Washington Post, 7/11/02) Note Senator Graham should have been aware of a report made to his staff the previous month that one of Mahmood's subordinates had told a US undercover agent that the WTC would be destroyed (see Early August 2001). Evidence suggests Mahmood ordered that $100,000 be sent to hijacker Mohamed Atta (see Early August 2001 (D)). Also present at the meeting were Senator John Kyl (R) and the Pakistani ambassador to the US, Maleeha Lodhi (all or virtually all of the people in this meeting also met in Pakistan a few weeks earlier (see August 28-30, 2001)). Senator Graham says of the meeting: "We were talking about terrorism, specifically terrorism generated from Afghanistan." The New York Times mentions bin Laden specifically was being discussed. (Vero Beach Press Journal, 9/12/01, Salon, 9/14/01, New York Times, 6/3/02)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A36091-2002May17¬Found=true

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A52296-2002Jul10¬Found=true

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/2001/verobeachpressjournal091201.html

http://dir.salon.com/politics/feature/2001/09/14/human_spies/index.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/04/politics/04INQU.html?todaysheadlines

[knowledgeispower]

62. But what does it mean?

Is Graham in on the whole thing? I can see how that might be possible, since he was chair of the intelligence committee at the time. It would also make a lot of sense to have the most vocal critic from the other side (with regard to 9/11 anyway) be one of your own guys. That way the RIGHT questions don't get asked.

But on the other hand, maybe it was a setup? Having Graham at that meeting might have been done on purpose so that he would be indirectly linked to the whole thing. That way he won't try too hard to get the truth out.

The whole thing is really quite confusing.

[lkinsale]

63. Pakistan

Graham and Goss had visited Pakistan about two weeks before 9/11 to discuss the extradition of Osama bin Laden with Pakistani officials and a Taliban representative, according to later news accounts.

I think it means they were actually =trying= to do something about bin Laden, like get him out of Afghanistan, but the ISI was double-dealing.

Your mileage may differ, but I can't see how Graham would be trying to cover-up for the administration while running against Bush. Graham has said we ought to go after bin Laden, not Saddam, over and over, back last fall and now. bin Laden is still at large in Pakistan.

Everyone "assumes" the foreign government being protected in the 9/11 report is Saudi Arabia. It could be Pakistan.