Photos of dead brothers have just been released to media

[Maddy McCall]

Just announced on CNN that the media has released the photos and they will be available online and on tv any moment.

Very graphic...blood and evidence of gun battle. Reporters have seen the images, describe them as gruesome.


http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/07/24/sprj.irq.sons/index.html

[slackmaster]

1. Is Geraldo Rivera going to host the unveiling?

n/t

[LizW]

2. Very telling discussion on CNN

about showing the photographs. They keep pointing out, over and over, that the photos are being released by the Iraqi Provisional Government, NOT by the Pentagon. (uh huh) Although the woman reporter did make a point of saying that they're being shown because George Bush wants them shown.

Some military guy whose name I didn't catch said, "the last thing we want is to set a precendent of showing, after every military engagement, bodies of dead Americans or dead Iraqis." You bet they don't want that. That was what brought an end to the Viet Nam war.

Both reporters said quite clearly that they had always previously been pressured by the Bush administration NOT to release pictures of the war dead. They said the Pentagon says "we just don't do that".:eyes:

Edited for clarity of last paragraph.

[Flubadubya]

6. Bush will always want his cake and eat it too...

Show pictures of the "bad" dead Iraquis, but don't show any dead Americans or the mutilated bodies of "innocent" Iraqi citizens. And, of course, when in conflict, the "enemy" side had better NEVER stoop so low as to show a dead American "hero."

They had just better consider the consequences of their actions... but then that would be a FIRST, wouldn't it? :puke:

[ps1074]

47. sure

if the photos are released by the IPG, why do they have us government photo on them?

[IndianaGreen]

55. MSNBC said the military released the pictures

and there is no Iraqi provisional government. There is an advisory body under Paul Bremer which includes Ahmed Chalabi, but they are not the government and are not recognized as such by the Iraqi people.

[ignatius]

63. I find it quite odd that Bremer was here in the U S

on the day this happened kind of similar to Blair being here when Kelly died.

Are these guys passing messages in person now for fear of intelligence picking them up?

Maybe they could try courier pigeons.

[amish_enforcer]

3. Will there be an "official" source

We all know how they all need to edit the photos to fit their publications, ie. CNN may adjust the brightness, NYT saturates it some....where's the "unaltered" copy going to live?

[mbperrin]

4. What was George's complaint?

Something about someone wanting to kill his daddy and he seemed to think that made that someone a monster?

Nah, surely the eradication of selected families is all for the good!

</total inability to comprehend reality>

[amish_enforcer]

14. On their web site

CNN should have adjusted the brightness......you've got to be kidding me?!? Those shots are so dark, all I saw was two bearded fellows laying down and some damage on ones face.....not very clear from my point of view

[gratuitous]

5. Will they pin the playing cards to the bodies?

I mean, as long as we're going the gangster route, there's no sense in doing it half-assed, right?

[Randi_Listener]

7. Photo of death in progress

Here is the missile that possibly snuffed out the life of a young teenage boy also holed up in the compound.



Sickening.

[Flubadubya]

8. OMG, they are showing them...

They had about a fifteen minute run up to this "event" showing picures of them alive. Now they show them dead and we are supposed to say, "Oh it looks just like them!" Really? Mr. Bush, it looks like a couple of dead Iraqis. I sure can't tell who they are. Sheez.

The photos are dark and the corpses are badly mutilated. Now, just why does Bush want these to be shown when they are by no means definitive? The guy is a sicko. I'm surprised he didn't publish pictures of dead Carla Faye Tucker. :grr: Trophies are all they are to this wacko... trophies.

[Maddy McCall]

11. It just looks like bodies of anyone...they are so disfigured.

Sad that I had to send my son out of the room when it started.

How many parents, though, sent their children out. How many kids are home today with no parental supervision. This is fucking SICK!

[ignatius]

49. When it was announced that they were killed on Tuesday

one of the guys in my office has his 9 year old up here. The guys in the office were cheering and acting totally macho. I thought what are we teaching our children when there is no international law.

Even the Holocaust madmen who were 10 times as evil received a trial.

[IndianaGreen]

39. I wouldn't be surprised if Bush kept a photo album of every prisoner

he sent to the Texas execution chamber.

Bush is now on a par with butchers like Saddam, Mobutu, and our Afghan pal Rashid Dostum.

[Maddy McCall]

9. Photos are being shown on CNN AND FOX right now

Disgusting, but I don't see how anyone can tell just by looking at these photos that the bodies are the guys...they are so bloody and disfigured that it is hard to tell it is them.

I still don't see the point in this.

[Randi_Listener]

10. TOW missile hit

I guess using TOW missiles as anti-personnel munitions is standard now.

[berner59]

15. what are we supposed to feel??

Happy about this...proud of America?? Aren't we powerful people to shoot bombs in a house and do this?? I find this disgusting...

Fits Bush's wild wild west administration...

[Flubadubya]

16. Like I said... Trophies is all they are to *...

Every macho "game hunter" wants to show off his trophies, don't you know? :puke:

[Randi_Listener]

19. As the bodies hit the floor...

...pretzel boy becomes more and more aroused. I expect him to be as turgid as he was in that flight suit.

[Devils Advocate NZ]

46. Excuse me... I thought that this was meant to be a fierce battle...

Can someone explain to me why these two soldiers (and the cameraman) are standing in full view of the building that supposedly contains Uday and Qusay Hussein fighting to the death?

These guys aren't even ducking down, they're just standing there watching the show... That's what it was, wasn't it? A show?

[sfecap]

12. Just when you think it couldn't get anymore pathetic...

...the talking heads are simply orgasmic.

Disgusting.

BTW...can we start showing dead American bodies now?

[soothsayer]

13. Uday looks so peaceful, like a Buddha,oddly enough

How bizarre and gruesome.

[qanda]

17. I guess this would be a good day...

to cancel cable and throw out the tv. If Clinton had pulled something like this, the world would never hear the end of it!

[Rose Siding]

18. Geneva Potocol Text- Might this apply somehow?

Section III, Article 34 of the 1st Geneva Protocol says:

Art. 34. Remains of deceased

1. The remains of persons who have died for reasons related to occupation or in detention resulting from occupation or hostilities and those or persons not nationals of the country in which they have died as a result of hostilities shall be respected, and the gravesites of all such persons shall be respected, maintained and marked as provided for in Article 130 of the Fourth Convention, where their remains or gravesites would not receive more favourable consideration under the Conventions and this Protocol.

2. As soon as circumstances and the relations between the adverse Parties permit, the High Contracting Parties in whose territories graves and, as the case may be, other locations of the remains of persons who have died as a result of hostilities or during occupation or in detention are situated, shall conclude agreements in order: (a) to facilitate access to the gravesites by relatives of the deceased and by representatives of official graves registration services and to regulate the practical arrangements for such access; (b) to protect and maintain such gravesites permanently; (c) to facilitate the return of the remains of the deceased and of personal effects to the home country upon its request or, unless that country objects, upon the request of the next of kin.

http://www.globalissuesgroup.com/geneva/protocol1.html

[berner59]

23. good point....

Didn't we go balistic when our soldiers bodies were dragged through the streets of Somalia?? How is this different??

[amish_enforcer]

24. We don't need no stiiiinkin'

Geneva Protocol, Y'all!

Shameful day

[IndianaGreen]

40. Yep, looks like we violated another article of international law

but considering that our invasion of Iraq was also illegal, what else is new?

[NickB79]

60. The US never signed the Geneva Protocol

We generally used to obey its rules most of the time, but when it didn't suit us we just ignored it.

[markses]

20. Ah, the body of the condemned

No love here for these two sociopaths, but I think we know by now that this sort of display does more to encourage sympathy (for the devil, as it were) than it does anything else.

Except, of course, for the other sociopaths - many of whom frequent these very boards - who deep in their tiny hearts love the sight of slaughter (for the small and infirm heart gains its only superiority when it imagines proxy revenges for all its suffering), though they inveigh against torturers, and couch their diseased bloodlust in terms of "justice."

[CWebster]

21. public hanging

mentality.


All part of the same b-grade western.

[King_Crimson]

22. I'm not buying this shit...

Photos blurred and dark, reporter's coming right to the verge of questioning the authenticity, doing everything they can leading up to showing the pictures to lead us to believe it's the boys! And what's with the "beards"? This bodes no better than the phony Osama video they put out a little over the a year ago! I really get tired of us having our intelligence insulted! :mad:

[shanti]

29. right!

how the hell are we to know that these are really them anyway?? i agree that this is bullshyt.

[amish_enforcer]

30. Exactly

If you are offering and conducting this tactless act of showing the dead, do it right. They should, at least have been photographed portrait (straight on face) style so you can actually see their faces for ID.....thats the reason why the admin is doing this , right??:eyes:

[Mal]

25. They died proud.

They knew it was a fight they could not win, against odds they could not match, with a result that could only be death, and still they fought it. No matter how they lived, they died well. They have set a glorious example to the rest of their people.

[Rose Siding]

31. "Glorious example"???

They condemned their own kid to death with a stand-off. Glorious??

Are you trying to give Sully some more quotes?

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[Loonman]

26. Not interested

No need to see those photos.

[JaneQPublic]

27. Didn't Chimpy raise holy hell when Iraqis showed pictures of U.S. POWs?

Yet it's okay for the U.S. to show pictures of Iraqi war casualties, up close and personal?

[leftchick]

28. they look like dead bodies to me

who the hell could recognize them they are so disfigured?!? I am sure awol and co. think the Iraqis will believe this crap...

[rucky]

32. These Photos Are Making me A Bit...

Q'easay

[Fleshdancer]

33. Damn it!

with the media whores salivating over pictures of dead people, will they take notice of the 9/11 report? Don't they ever get tired of bending over for this administration?

[cureautismnow]

35. Shrub Murdered Cheech and Chong?

...or is that Cheech and John Walker?

[Randi_Listener]

36. Bro's

Mutt and fucking Jeff

[Individualist]

37. Sickening

This televised display is a clear indication that far too many in our country have become ghouls, salivating over corpses while proclaiming to be "good Christians".

[IndianaGreen]

38. I thought the pictures were for Iraqis to see?

Why are the images kept on my TV screen all the time? I am not an Iraqi!

How about showing the pictures of 14-year old Mustafa Hussein?

Or the pictures of the 3 GIs killed in Iraq this morning?

A century ago Rosa Luxemburg wrote that the choice we faced was one between socialism and barbarism. We have clearly chosen barbarism!

Remember that two can play this game, and we have made this a blood feud, and we have turned the Hussein brothers into martyrs.

Americans don't understand the Middle East!

[Wonder]

43. "we have made this a blood feud"

yes blood feuding does have it's long history in the ME. Hadn't read your post before I posted on reflex. Are you saying from a strategic standpoint (besides perhaps trying to desensitize our human decency that might get in the way of their desire to feed our desire for vengance) they are also goading the militants in the ME?

[IndianaGreen]

48. The much-hated Hussein brothers are now seen as heroes

Remember the law of unintended consequences? Remember that many of us demonstrated against the invasion of Iraq that we warned about the possibility that Saddam in the end would be replaced by a fundamentalist Islamic government, pro-Iranian, and more hostile to the US and Israel than Saddam ever was.

We have now turned the much-hated Hussein brothers into martyrs because they fought the American occupation forces:

Locals say brothers fought and died as heroes
By Charles Clover in Mosul
Published: July 23 2003 20:26 | Last Updated: July 23 2003 20:26

Across the street from the still-smoking house in Mosul where Qusay and Uday Hussein are said to have died on Tuesday, local residents who saw it happen disagree on virtually all details but one: whoever was in the house died heroically.


"We should be proud as Iraqis that they died this way. Four men held off the American army for five hours They died like men," said Mohammed Jubburi, who works at a supermarket across the street.

http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1058868094362&p=1012571727102

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[Rose Siding]

53. Bushco continues to throw gasoline on the fire

Some may be relieved, some intimidated, but anger, hate and rage toward the US will grow.

How can anyone not see that Bush "security" policies strengthen whatever enemies we already have and develop new ones?

When I see a poll that favors rethugs on security, I want to set my hair on fire and rollerskate off the Santa Monica pier! :silly:

[Wonder]

57. Here is my problem

I never thought a fundalmentalist Islamic Government would do. Look at the fanatisms of all the religions involved. Those fringes are poison. All hostile to each other. However, it seems clear the US intend to erect a US government whereby occupation would be institutionalized especially in the face of the militant anti-american factions here.

Why not a secular islamic government, was always the question I on my mind. It seemed to me (and I have been diligently filling in history here and continue to do so) that the fanatic islamists make up a small percent of the overall population. In my mind, the only reason those outside these factions would join would be because of personal hostilities exacerbated by the awareness that the US does not intend to honor Islam as a viable religion which it seems they abhor even if the Iraqi government were to be secular. We have a secular Judeo government (which now leans toward it's own fanatic fringes, we have a secular christian government, also leaning toward it's fanatic fringes, as well as leaning toward the Judeo fanatic fringes. In hopes of both these Judeo-christian governments coming back to center, why not a secular Islamic government.

I haven't read the article which I will do, but it seems to me that this spectacle with these murdered fanatic islamists is intended to play to the most militant extremists which in my mind are not representative of the heart of Islamic theology. Perhaps I am wrong, but it seems to me playing to this martyrdom is intended to goad the kind of bloodlust which will surely threaten to ignite further what is already quite the powder keg. In other words this is intended to just feed the american propaganda. These guys are heros among the militant factions they represent and not ALL of Islam. That is my thinking. Feel free to tweak my assessment if you are inclined.

[IndianaGreen]

61. Why were they not taken alive?

Here is part of a fine analysis by WSWS:

Why were they not taken alive?

Why was no effort made to capture Uday and Qusay Hussein alive? When asked about this, Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, who was in charge of the operation, answered blandly, “Our mission is to find, kill or capture.”

A number of factors come into play. After weeks of US deaths and sagging troop morale, American officials no doubt concluded that a murderous assault would boost the spirits of the war constituency in the US and the psychotic element in the military. In any event, they share the outlook of this constituency and were in need of a bloodletting themselves. The pent-up rage and vindictiveness, in the face of growing Iraqi resistance, expressed itself in the extermination of Hussein’s sons.

<snip>

In February 2003 the National Security Archive released 60 documents detailing the extent of the relations between the Reagan administration and the Iraqi government during the 1980s. At the time of the Iran-Iraq war the US, while claiming to be neutral in the conflict, supported Hussein against the Islamic regime in Teheran. The Archive notes that Washington, through direct and indirect means, provided financing, weaponry, intelligence and military support to Baghdad “in accordance with policy directives from President Ronald Reagan,” several years before the US restored formal relations with Iraq in November 1984.

A highlight of the process of normalizing American-Iraqi relations was the visit by then presidential envoy (and current Secretary of Defense) Donald Rumsfeld to Baghdad in December 1983, where he held a 90-minute conversation with Saddam Hussein. The US was well aware that the Iraqis were using chemical weapons against Iranian forces and Kurdish insurgents. Rumsfeld made no mention of the issue in this discussion. A secret memo sent to the State Department reported that “Saddam Hussein showed obvious pleasure with (the) President’s letter and Rumsfeld’s visit and in his remarks.”

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jul2003/iraq-j24.shtml

[Wonder]

65. reclassification of the Presidental Papers going back to 1980

They are really attempting to keep a lid on alot of putrid shit, aren't they!!

are those docs from the NSA available on line?

Anyway, I skimmed through the link quickly, another keeper. I must read it more leisurely and augment it with some further sleuthing. Sated at the moment, a reflexive response will not do at the moment. Thanks.

[hotphlash]

54. Those photos were put out to convince US as much as the Iraqis

It's Bush's trophy. I won't be impressed until I see Osama on a slab...but that would be too much work for Shrub.

[Wonder]

41. Let us get out the locks the stockades and the guillotines too!

what the hell are they preparing us for here, is what I wonder???

What now is the media acting as the Roman Collesium to sate the barbaric hungers of an American society run amok in their desire for revenge and our liberty to serve injustice on a silver platter as justice. Next they'll be shipping in POW's from cuba, having them darn metal armor so we can all take bets on which one will out live the collossal spectacle of it all.

As we go from powerlust to bloodlust, I am quite saddened by the fact that I am neither surprised or shocked. And BTW I have yet to view the indecent spectacle. How disgusting really and how sad to watch the savagery of an empire near decline.

[OrAnarch]

42. I need more children...

[Wonder]

44. A chilling response OrAnarch

Quite demonic really.

[IndianaGreen]

45. To comply with LBN rules, here is the link to the story

Please take note that MSNBC says that it was the US military that released the photos, not the Ahmed Chalabi puppets:

Photos of Saddam sons released

BAGHDAD, Iraq, July 24 — Hoping to convince wary Iraqis that Saddam Hussein’s eldest sons had been killed, the U.S. military on Thursday released photos of the corpses of Odai and Qusai Hussein. The photos were released as coalition forces were warned to expect an increase in the attacks that have killed numerous soldiers — including three on Thursday who died when their convoy was hit by gunfire and rocket-propelled grenades in northern Iraq.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/870749.asp?0cv=CA01

[Zero Gravitas]

50. Could be anyone

Those pics aren't going to convince anyone. Surely they could have taken the photos from a better angle. Iraqis who doubt that they are dead will not be convinced by this.

I'm not sorry these 2 bastards are dead, I am sickened by their reported actions, but I am also sickened by the barbarity of the occupiers, this is "American Justice"? But I suppose the freepers thinik that this what "justice" is.

THe only one I am sorry for is the 14 year old, that boy did not deserve to die.

[TeeYiYi]

51. Link to slide show . . .

http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/world/0307/gallery.hussein.bodies/frameset.exclude.html

TYY

[Corgigal]

56. When Ken Starr and buddies

were on the Clinton witch hunt and the Starr report was released all the Freepers were upset because they didn't know how to explain the sex act to the kiddies. So now these same Freepers are at work and their kiddies are home looking at pictures of dead corpses that appear to have major burns on them.

I bet not one of them say, what do we tell the children? Sick pieces of crap.

[Dulcinea]

58. To those people, violence isn't dirty, but sex is.

If they REALLY want to convince the Iraqis & the rest of the Arab world, do DNA testing & make the results public.

Has there been any mention of DNA testing? If so, I haven't heard it.

[newyorican]

59. sordid sub-text

The US Govt *had* to show to photos because nobody believes a f*cking word uttered by any govt official anymore.

[Wonder]

62. yes that crossed my mind as well.

Bush&Co realized with all this dead or live bullshit and these seemingly bogus videos that pop up from time to time on OBL and now SH, and in the wake of what looks now to be quite bold faced lying (which it always obviously was, but now all the more obvious) they had to show what they hope the American people will believe is conclusive evidence.

Whatever the full agenda is here the whole thing is despicable.

[1984ever]

64. DNA?

Are we still awaiting DNA tests or are these pics supposed to be our proof? If so, couldn't they have waited for the results? If they are positive, showing these pictures would be unnecessary.

[Wonder]

66. Even with what they say is DNA...

there credibity has been so shot to hell would we know for sure it wasn't falsified?

[4sanity]

67. Downward spiral into hell

I have said that this gang of thugs was getting desperate and it was only a matter of time until they self-destructed. We are now watching it happen. This is a very sick attempt to pump up the sagging poll #s and divert attention from other current events. Take them alive and question them????? No fu*king way. Might not be prudent.

[Q]

68. The Bushies would much rather have you looking at the bodies...

...of the 'evildoers' than look closely at the 9-11 report calling them incompetent and worse.