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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 08:58 PM Original message |
Venezuela Imports 74,000 Tons Of Food To Avert Crisis |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:07 PM Response to Original message |
1. The UN has warned the whole planet to be on the alert for food shortages |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Here it is. US corporate media buried this important news. As usual. |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 02:59 AM Response to Reply #3 |
37. Any connection between dwindling food stocks and converting corn into ethanol? |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 04:21 AM Response to Reply #37 |
44. yes |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 09:21 PM Response to Reply #37 |
80. no because Venezuela doesn't have a sufficient agriculture industry |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #37 |
81. Along with continued population growth |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 09:58 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Colombia is double the population of Ven. and they have the same area |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
2. If you put price controls on any commodity |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. Neither. It's economic sabotage from the opposition. |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 02:06 AM Response to Reply #2 |
33. You actually believe that there are free markets in international trade? Do you also believe in... |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 05:24 AM Response to Reply #33 |
100. This is exactly why I like you. n/t |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
4. At least Venezuela had enough foreign exchange to import the food. |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 04:24 AM Response to Reply #4 |
45. The USA will not be so lucky either |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
5. Damn, what a dictator, spending public money to feed people! nt |
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onyxred (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 10:00 PM Response to Reply #5 |
84. Good point |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
6. Well... It's Good To See the Propaganda Getting Dispelled |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. This is another indictment of Chavez. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:41 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. If You are a Fascist Corporate Type, Then Maybe |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:47 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. They are hungry because of his price controls. nt |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:48 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. That must be it. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:56 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Basic economics |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:11 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Not basic economics. The food supply chain is still in the hands |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:56 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. I see you have made up your mind - bye. nt |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 11:15 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. In general, that's what thinking people do. |
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harmonicon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:21 AM Response to Reply #23 |
31. but you've gathered the WRONG facts! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:46 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. LOL! Oops! |
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water (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 11:16 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. If this wasn't market-based, then someone would come in and offer food at lower prices. |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:11 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. starvation via high price does fix the supply/demand imbalance |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:15 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. No sale, water. n/t |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:09 AM Response to Reply #18 |
26. of course there may be payments from the US to offset losses from not selling food-CIA influence?? |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 04:14 AM Response to Reply #15 |
42. no |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 07:20 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. You assume that the government has the ability |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #47 |
68. I am confident |
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 08:52 PM Response to Reply #47 |
76. What do you think the USDA is? A social club? |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 09:53 PM Response to Reply #76 |
82. better a food supply surplus than a deficit |
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 09:28 PM Response to Reply #82 |
93. Okay, so why is a nationalized food industry a problem, then? |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 05:31 AM Response to Reply #76 |
101. Well, there you go again. |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 04:24 AM Response to Reply #47 |
99. So denationalization is the answer? |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #15 |
50. If they are making profits in their own countries, but can make higher profits elsewhere |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. WRONG... Big Business Doesn't Want to Sell to Venezuela |
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Andrushka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:44 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. My, |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:46 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Can you supply a link for that? |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Did that hurt? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:16 AM Response to Reply #7 |
30. The system isn't anything like North Korea's or even the USSR's, and you know it |
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AdHocSolver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 02:41 AM Response to Reply #7 |
34. As in Africa and the rest of Latin America, the "private" farms are really plantations.... |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #34 |
49. wrong, most of the crops are raised by small farmers |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. That interview does not contradict AdHocSolver. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. private farms are NOT mostly plantations as you claimed |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Miguel Altieri says |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Good God!!! you just posted a exerpt that says small farmers produce most of the food crops |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Please, learn how to read. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. YOU learn how to read |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Oh my good gawd, ronnie624! My post #51 says that a lot of the rural poor work on the farms of the |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. too bad there is no post number 61 yet |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:33 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. What are you attempting to communicate? n/t |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. that you need to read slowly and carefully before insulting someone |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. It was I who "insulted" you, not Judi Lynn. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Maybe you'd be good enough to point out a particular problem I have with English. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. no, its too fun watching you make a fool of yourself |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. I would love to post some actual figures |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #34 |
51. Sounds about right! Here's more which supports your remarks: |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 04:14 AM Response to Reply #7 |
41. yeah, right |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 04:17 AM Response to Reply #7 |
43. Communist Kerala, India is doing reasonably well on that score |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 07:59 PM Response to Reply #7 |
71. Care to provide a link? ("He's seizing private farms and wholesalers...") Or, |
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 08:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
75. So when the US government pays billions in subsidies to prop |
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NYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 10:25 PM Response to Reply #75 |
95. If not too much trouble, |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 02:54 AM Response to Reply #6 |
36. As no doubt you've noticed, stories with depth are always BURIED under tons of crap stories. |
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Mika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:09 PM Response to Original message |
17. Milk? Remind you of RW crap about Cuba, Judi? Milk is always involved in RW demonization. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:12 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. They are a soap opera waiting to be writting. n/t |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 02:51 AM Response to Reply #17 |
35. So familiar, isn't it, Mika? The right-wing blowhards and truth inventors were all over the place, |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 05:56 AM Response to Reply #17 |
46. Milk is an issue in the USA too |
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organik (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. milk is poison anyway |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
20. Wow..that didn't take long... |
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UTUSN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
21. Venezuela had been experiencing food shortages since 2003, a result of the imposition of price and c |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 12:13 AM Response to Reply #21 |
28. In other words, the food produceres (who are in private hands) are |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 11:50 PM Response to Original message |
25. It would be interesting to compare to food imports elsewhere: say US or Saudi Arabia |
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Tempest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #25 |
62. The U.S. became a net importer of food goods back in 2005 |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 03:39 AM Response to Original message |
38. Canadian authorities impressed with growth of Venezuela’s Food Missions |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 08:17 PM Response to Reply #38 |
72. They print the Venezuelan Constitution on the Mercal food bags, too. I love that! nt |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #72 |
85. Unique in all ways, isn't it? And people are reading those wrappers who could not read before they |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 03:49 AM Response to Original message |
39. United States continues destabilizing campaign against Venezuela |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 03:57 AM Response to Original message |
40. PDVAL started to distribute 74 thousand tons of food in the country |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-24-08 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
48. US spokesman denies international campaign against Venezuela |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 08:30 PM Response to Reply #48 |
73. Know this: When Bushites make accusations, we are thereby apprized... |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 11:49 AM Response to Reply #73 |
87. It is interesting we've got our entire news industry breathing down his neck, but when they had a |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
69. Nicaragua to Supply Meat to Venezuela |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 06:26 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Oh my goodness, they are conspiring to help each other. |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 08:45 PM Response to Original message |
74. "Venezuelans See Economy and Democracy More Positively Than Other Latin Americans" |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 09:14 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. the December referendum was a great example |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 09:48 AM Response to Reply #78 |
92. I hope he's not done trying. Our own Founders opposed term limits because |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
77. Chavez accuses Colombia of plotting 'military aggression' against Venezuela |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-25-08 09:16 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. these declarations oddly seem to coincide with US diplomatic visits in Colombia |
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Flanker (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 11:46 AM Response to Reply #79 |
86. If Colombia wants stability then perhaps it is their leaders |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 11:56 AM Response to Reply #79 |
88. Let's revisit recent Colombian history concerning Hugo Chavez, why not? |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. May 23, 2004 |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. What on earth are you attempting to communicate? I was addressing a poster's implication |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-26-08 12:31 PM Response to Reply #79 |
89. What accusations accompanied the visit by Republican celebrity idiot, David Dreier, to the Colombian |
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burrowowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-27-08 09:54 PM Response to Reply #89 |
94. Give the ignorant Hell! |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 04:10 AM Response to Reply #94 |
98. Hi, burrowowl. Great to see you around. You are really kind. You've probably noticed |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 02:03 AM Response to Reply #89 |
96. What a disgusting spectacle that was. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-28-08 04:00 AM Response to Reply #96 |
97. He was talking DOWN to them, wasn't he? It was the same as telling them |
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MarkR1717 (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-29-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #77 |
102. Food for thought..... |
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