Pelosi greeted with “Impeach” Bush and Cheney buttons

[sabra]

Source: Reuters

U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi says she’s drawing heat from fellow Democratic lawmakers as well as people across the nation for refusing to move to impeach President George W. Bush or Vice President Dick Cheney.

“I go through airports, and people have buttons as if they knew I was coming,” Pelosi said with a smile, mimicking a protester pointing to an “Impeach” button on their chest.

But the California Democrat said she is sticking to her position that trying to remove Bush or Cheney would be divisive, and she added, most likely unsuccessful. If the House voted to impeach Bush and Cheney, a two-thirds vote would be needed in the closely divided Senate to oust them.

...

Speaking with reporters, she recalled that she wanted to focus on unifying the nation, passing the Democrats’ legislative agenda — not picking an impeachment fight with the White House.

“It was my belief that an impeachment of the Vice President or the President … would be very divisive in our country, and that is what I believed then,” Pelosi said. “It should have come to no surprise when I became Speaker I said it again, and I continue to hold that view.”



Read more: http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/01/18/pelosi-greeted-with-impeach-bush-and-cheney-buttons/

[ursi]

1. Good ...she has been a grave disappointment

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[Toots]

104. You choose to defend her???

She is the biggest disappointment in the Democratic Party as far as I am concerned. If Democrats lose it will rest on her shoulders entirely..She has turned off so many voters that many will not bother to even vote, if she is an example of what they would be voting for..

[Kolesar]

113. Pelosi is weak at carrying our message or building a movement

But I don't think any Speaker of the House could have managed to impeach bush and bring the troops home. The movement failed. Look at how few Democrats in Congress actually backed impeachment.

I am disappointed too, but calling Nancy Pelosi a bitch and all the other horrible things being said about Pelosi by a few dozen people at the Democratic Underground is wholly uncalled for. Thank you very much.

[ursi]

138. BorealAvenger, I do agree with you about the lack of consensus on impeachment

I guess I just wish she would have come out strongly on impeachment, pushed more investigations. Maybe I am wrong and that happened, I am not totally sure.
But she is, by no means, a bee-yotch. She has been a leader in other aspects.

I am disgusted that our soldiers are in harms way as we wait for someone to take the lead.

[Usrename]

157. Nancy Pelosi is a stupid bitch.

Impeachment would UNITE the country, she and her ilk are the ones who are DIVIDING the country.

[Robb]

109. Here's 12,402 that feel the same way.

Pointing out someone's post count to make their opinions somehow less valid?

We all had a first day at DU.

Or, put another way, nice post, Hitler. ;)

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[ldf]

117. collection of Pelosi bashers

not to be confused with the pelosi worshippers, who think there is no need to address the outrages perpertrated by the bush cabal.

you just don't get it, do you?

if her lack of action is what we can expect from democratic leadership, then you can expect a lot of us to stay home. (unfortunately you smugly think we have no choice. ANOTHER major mistake on your/their part.)

yes, she has done a lot. like worked her way to the top as a (unmentionable so-called leadership group) lackey.

they, and their ilk, have been the destruction of this party. look at that last seven elections.

we won with bill clinton in 92, because people did indeed want change. we then suffered an immediate major defeat against the newts and karls, who so "bipartisanly" (yes, with the aid of some in our own party!) attacked clinton at every opportunity. it has only continued downhill, thanks to their insane modus operandi of repeating the same thing (let's take the high road, let's be bipartisan, let's all sing kumbaya) over and over again, and expecting a different result.

and with the supposed takeover by the democrats in 2006, you would expect at the very LEAST some symbolic action. but no, we are to busy being, again, "bipartisan", with a party who doesn't know the meaning of the word, to busy "picking our battles" and "keeping our powder dry" to do squat. and we have done just that, squat. you already hear the charges that we have had control since 2006, and done nothing.

the democratic party has a choice. they can address the outrages of the moran (sic) in the whitehouse, or see a mass exodus from the party.

you think we are nothing now? wait to the base leaves, or just stays home.

then whine.

[Kolesar]

120. I don't know who you think you are talking to but I don't think or say those things

pelosi worshippers, ... (unfortunately you smugly think we have no choice. ANOTHER major mistake on your/their part.)

I don't know what you mean and I am not going to give your post a third read to try to figure it out. Sorry

[Kolesar]

122. Hitler

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3148062#3148450

[bvar22]

128. 10,987 since 2001 agrees!

:hi:

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[Raster]

25. You are not alone. Political posturing and Pelosi.

No vision. No courage. No ethics. It is time for her to go.

[orleans]

69. yeah--i bet she's feeling the heat

[postulater]

3. Divisiveness is nothing compared to the mess she has allowed

to occur because of her failure to investigate.

And is it 4000 dead yet?

[roody]

5. 3990 yesterday. Thanks, Pelosi.

[lynnertic]

131. We're not supposed to hit 4,000 until after Feb 5.

[bdamomma]

139. 4,000 killed for lies, disgusting.

[lynnertic]

187. That's exactly what 'they' don't want you to be thinking when you vote

:thumbsup:

[knight_of_the_star]

156. We've been investigating

Unless you've been ignoring John Conyers and his actions.

[MikeNearMcChord]

165. But what was the results of that?

It's great that Henry Waxman has been a bulldog going after the Bush Crime family, but then at the end of the day, what was the result? Every time I hear of another Waxman or Conyers investigation, I can imagine Dick Cheney doing imitations of someone Jerking off. I don't think Cheney Bush or the rest of the gang really losing sleep over this.

[knight_of_the_star]

171. Just because it has no effect now doesn't mean it will have no effect

If we get a real bulldog in the WH all that evidence can be used at trial.

[postulater]

180. Which bulldog has committed to followup on the investigations?

That's who I will vote for.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

4. She thinks it's amusing? Am I reading this correctly? SOH Pelosi, those are your uh, what's the name

again?

Oh yeah, your constituents who hired you for the job.

Not willing to budge an inch, is she?

Argh. MKJ

[rhett o rick]

6. Oh please Nancy let's not be divisive. Let's let the war criminals go scott free.

Go to hell Nancy.

[msongs]

7. she can't enable bush if he is gone... nt

[99th_Monkey]

32. She couldn't enable Bush either if SHE was gone ... nt

[rodeodance]

8. When will dawn on her--she is the nice lady but Bush is not playing nice nor ever wil he!!

Speaking with reporters, she recalled that she wanted to focus on unifying the nation, passing the Democrats’ legislative agenda — not picking an impeachment fight with the White House.

[kas125]

40. She's doing a great job of unifying us -

against HER!

[Mithreal]

58. You call her nice when she talks despairingly about the homeless

When the Speaker complained about the war protesters on her sidewalk, she said that if they were homeless then they would simply be arrested but because they wear shirts that say "end the war" they can claim freedom of speech. I called her office and asked for clarification after I heard her say it. They noted my concern and said they would pass it along but had no comment. I wanted an explanation, none has come and I do not now expect one now.

The nice lady stuff is way too kind and a deception. "Good manners" and charm do not a nice lady make at least to me.

[muyojoe]

72. YOU'RE RIGHT

She says she wants to unify and compromise, but she is trying to do it with a man who doesn't want to meet her half way or compromise. For eight years now, he spells compromise, "MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY!" I don't know why this crazy woman doesn't get it. Maybe she wants to go down in history as the first woman failure as a house speaker.

[GainesT1958]

9. If she doesn't allow the Judiciary Committee...

To proceed with the Impeachment article that Wexler is sponsoring, she is shirking her duty. And if it actually does come to a vote there, and is approved, if she then does not let it come to the House floor, she will be guilty of gross negligence, and no longer worthy of the job of Speaker.

All of those buttons and t-shirts ought to tell her something.

But hey, what do I know? I'm just somebody who wants the Constitution upheld!:eyes:

B-)

[LWolf]

150. You mean H RES 333, now H RES 799?

I'm really glad to see that he is pushing for this. He was not a cosponsor for this bill either time it was introduced, but he did vote "NAY" on the Democratic motion to table it last November.

His support his welcome.

[saynotowar28]

154. impeach Pelosi

I was suckered again by the Democratic party. I thought my vote in the last election was a vote for change but it appears to be a vote for let's keep things the same way the were. BS! Impeach Pelosi and Reed; it is bad enough that our President and the Republican party have deceived us but for our own party to do this is too much to take. Impeach Bush, Cheney, Pelosi and Reed. Pelosi and Reed are guilty of not upholding our constitution and letting these war criminals continue their crime spree.

[madeline_con]

10. Spineless. n/t

[Dr.Phool]

24. Corrupt as the rest of them. n/t

[ray of light]

11. she's as crooked as they are.

[Ravy]

85. And you want her to be President? Sheesh. nt

[ray of light]

118. Yes. Because even then, she would be better than B/C.

She's probably just listening to some butthead dc advisor who doesn't know their head from their...

[Fridays Child]

12. The first woman to reach such a pivotal power point in American politics...

...has failed her country and disgraced her gender. Oh, well. It can only get better from here. Right?

[madeline_con]

27. Like the 1st chick who just HAD to attend the Citadel.

:puke:

[Mithreal]

59. Can you say Madam Vice President Condoleezza Rice?

I don't think we have seen the worst. Some women are as corruptible or incompetent as men.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

13. "Pelosi said with a smile"...translation, "Kiss my ass, it's STILL off the table."

"my belief"

"that is what I believed then"

"I said it again"

"I continue to hold that view"

"thanks for electing me and go FUCK yourself"

[sb5697]

14. To all the women that endorse Hillary based principally on gender alone...

remember this shining example of a "woman that will do it right".

[sojourner]

43. Point well taken, I hope people (other women) at least think about this example!

[NikolaC]

95. Pffft

When I think of how many "firsts" have happened over the last eight years, it shames me at the choice of individuals for those "firsts". Let's see, Colin Powell, Condelezza Rice, Nancy Pelosi, and maybe Hillary Clinton. Just because you are the "first", does not mean that you are the best that could be found. There were more qualified people of color and also females who could have fit the bill and done a more honorable job than the aforementioned lot.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

97. Sorry, you're shamed by the "firsts". If I were a white man, I'd be shamed by the ongoing "seconds".

Yep, those white men are the bomb. Hey, they can even pick up other men in an airport bathroom, or solicit teenagers in their employ or visit prostitutes, or sell themselves to the highest bidder to buy gold plated toilets, or take us to war to profit their personal corporation and yet we continue to elect them. How awesome are they?!

MKJ

[sojourner]

121. it really isn't about gender. or it shouldn't be.

we want a margaret thatcher for president? how about DiFi? Pelosi has been a huge disappointment with regard to standing for the rule of law. hillary promises to be more of the same.

Kathleen

[NikolaC]

170. Hmmm

Didn't read my last sentence did ya?

[Mithreal]

60. Anyone who picks a candidate primarily wrt a physical characteristic

is being irresponsible and ridiculous. That said, I do think there needs to be some affirmative action in government. 50 women US Senators and 220 US Congresswomen MINIMUM to redress historical under-representation.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

80. Why thank you for pointing this out, you big strong man!

:swoon: :bateyelids: We gals have tried, but your post proves we shouldn't worry our pretty little heads about politics and stuff.

We'll just keep on letting the men run things, sigh, silly us thinking a woman could be in a position of power.

Back to the ironing board I go! MKJ

[madmom]

102. that's a very insulting and divisive comment, it's like saying all men are like bush!

[sb5697]

111. Divisive...now where have heard word before. IT'S MEANT TO BE

SOMEWHAT DIVISIVE and call those people out who are voting for someone based on gender or race instead of their qualifications and abilities. And there are many women out there voting for Hillary simply because she is a woman. That's stupidity at it's worst and risky for our country.

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[boricua79]

107. THANK YOU

You said it all

[fascisthunter]

15. BS Pelosi... Admit It, You Coward. You Sold Out a Long Time Ago

because you are that cheap!

[LaStrega]

16. Madam Speaker ...

For whom do you presume to be speaking? Certainly *not* your Constituents.

Lame doesn't even come close.

[radhika]

19. Imperial Speaker for the Imperial President

Could a greater egomaniac than Nancy Pelosi exist! Truly worthy of an honorary place in the Bush Crime Family. She, like Bush, thinks the entire nation is inconsequential in comparision to her imperial consciousness. Unfortanately, that is just what is happening...no one is taking her on. She mocks the thousands of voters she encounters in airports, sneers upon the letters, entreaties, phone calls and emails MILLIONS OF AMERICANS have been sending her for a year.

God that woman is odious. I have no great interest in Cindy Sheehan, but it would be fabulous if she gave her a run for her money.

[LaStrega]

20. Agreed entirely n/t

[FlyingSquirrel]

17. The mark of a great leader... DON'T EVER CHANGE YOUR MIND

No matter HOW MANY PEOPLE are telling you something else. Otherwise you're a flip-flopper.

She has learned well from W.

[goclark]

125. Ms. Pelosi-Bush nt

I can't believe she let those words come out of her mouth.

Is she a Republican in Democrats clothing?
How can she dare to out down someone that has a right to protest!

How can anyone in her position dare to do that and laugh at the homeless!!!

I was thrilled when she was selected, thrilled.

The thrill is gone!

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

18. She really is quite the...

Elitist, disconnected moron herself, isn't she? Just living in a world that really has little or no relationship to ours. "Armani suits" tells you everything yiou need to know about her.

[leftchick]

56. ....

indeed...



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2720367&mesg_id=2720367

[candymarl]

21. She really is clueless

isn't she? She has no idea of the depth of anger and suffering of the American people. She has no idea of the depth of suffering the US government has inflicted on others that are no military or economic threat to us (Haiti anyone?).
She doesn't care that the rest of the world sees us as some sort of war-mongering nut jobs that torture and slaughter just because we can.
Pelosi is beyond a disappointment. She is a traitor to the Constitution. By definition that makes her a traitor to her country.
Missing emails and documents, defiance of Congressional subpoenas. She doesn't think those things divide and hurt this nation?
This is beyond pitiful. This is treason.:mad:

[butterfly77]

152. Add Harry Reid and some others to that list...

these people are busy taking damn pictures and doing interviews and eating a lettuce on a damn cracker.
Pelosi and Reid need to go!

[balantz]

22. Where's the finger smiley?

[vanboggie]

23. That's such bullshit

I'm so tired of these people who are supposed to be representing us. Maybe we should all start wearing Impeach Pelosi buttons.

Just sayin ... :shrug:

[pingzing58]

26. Since she refuses to represent the view of the people then she should resign her position as speaker

[IDemo]

28. Rich irony - She's a uniter, not a divider

[onehandle]

29. It would be divisive and unsuccessful, but it should be discussed at length in Congress. nt

[Catsbrains]

158. exactly. nt

[Hulk]

30. Spineless Democratic leadership!

You know too well that if the table were turned, and the Democrats were as criminal to the Constitution and the people of this country that the repugs would be burning fires outside the White House and burning effigies of the preznit and his whole damned family.

This Democratic leadership doesn't want to "divide the country"??? Are they in lala-land somewhere? They're pulling a "repug moment" on us.

How about exposing this corruption that HAS divided the country, and then we can heal for a change. Otherwise, it's just more deception, lying, stonewalling and wasting human life and treasure. Disgusting. Not funny at all pelosi. I see nothing funny.

[Proletariatprincess]

31. I live in San Francisco.

I am voting for Cindy Sheehan and so are many of my neighbors and friends.

[Mithreal]

61. I am pretty new too and welcome to DU : ) Sheehan will not forget

why she was sent to Washington unlike some folks.

[99th_Monkey]

33. Besides essentially taking the Constitution 'off the table', she's given Bush a green light

to push aggressively full-steam-ahead with his criminal behavior, rather than having Bush put on notice, put on the denfensive with impeachment hearings.

It's truly a betrayal of the grossest kind to the party and the people of the country.

[frylock]

34. her go along to get along attitude should land her a cushy spot in the clinton cabinet..

it'll be just like when those fuckstains got away with Iran/Contra cuz billyboy wouldn't do his fucking job.

[LibDemAlways]

35. Pelosi lives in a 5 million dollar house overlooking the bay

in San Francisco. She's wealthy and powerful and a Washington insider. When protestors showed up on her doorstep, she publically wondered what the neighbors would think.

She's the perfect counterpart to Reid. A couple of "don't make waves" wusses "leading" a party that you'd never even know was in the majority unless you checked the numbers. It's pathetic.

[CranialRectaLoopbak]

36. Take Pelosi off the table in 08

[CranialRectaLoopbak]

38. Pelosi made history in 06 ... make her history in 08

[Mithreal]

63. Who should we want to replace her? nt

[Senator]

86. As Speaker, "Conyers Unleashed." And In Congress...

...I'm suggesting someone out there try to draft Matt Gonzalez.

But any Pro-Impeachment candidate would get the "Lamonting" message across. And there's still 4 months until the primary there.

Taking out a single member of congress for cause, even a Speaker, is something the netroots should be able to manage easily.

PS: I don't understand why Cindy Sheehan isn't running in the primary (first).

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[Mithreal]

144. I like Conyers too. nt

[GoddessOfGuinness]

37. Impeachment fight? I thought it was putting murderers on trial.

[MadMaddie]

39. So how do we replace her? She does not represent us....

She and Reid are worthless.

[kath]

41. Uh, Nancy -- HELLOOOO - you did NOT take an oath to unify to nation or to pass the Dems legislative

agenda. You DID, however, take an oath to defend the Constitution. Start doing so, dammit!

[frog92969]

42. Divisive? Try Complicit!!

SHE is divisive! Her and her treasonous cohorts are driving people out of the party, me included!
SHE is complicit in ALL of Bu$h's crimes, and laughs right with him!

[drm604]

44. Maybe divisiveness is sometimes a good thing.

di·vi·sive
adj.
Creating dissension or discord.

What's wrong with dissension when you're dissenting from someone who's wrong? Maybe we need a little divisiveness right now.

Sometimes using words like "divisive" is just a way of suppressing opposition. It's especially sickening when the ones being suppressed start using the word.

[IsItJustMe]

45. Sometimes you have to take out the garbage and clean the sheets. No doubt about it. She's wrong.

[Yuugal]

46. Is the sacred powder dry enough yet? nt

[jordi_fanclub]

47. Let's not be divisive... let's all be WAR CRIMINALS !!! (n/t)

[gateley]

48. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

92. WTF?

That looks like it's lifted right off of FR. :wtf: MKJ

[NikolaC]

98. OMG Don't Do That!

I'm about to have breakfast :puke:!

[bjobotts]

49. "I've made up my mind and I'm not listening to anybody"She's as guilty as Bush

[Jack Rabbit]

50. I've said this before, I'll say it again

No one in Congress who was serious about ending the war could have opposed impeachment. As long as the criminals Bush and Cheney remain in power, the war will continue.

[bjobotts]

51. She wants a guilty plea before she will even hold hearings...

[dbt]

52. Impeach Pelosi First.

THEN, Sandra Day O'Connor must be tried for Treason.

[Mithreal]

64. Ouch, at least she knew she screwed up. There are some other supremes

more deserving of ire.

[Gonnuts]

53. "... she said with a smile"

yeah, real funny Nancy - big joke - ha-ha ... all those silly people you're suppose to be working for - nice of you to think what they want is something you can ignore and make light of - it's only our God-damn Nation going down the tubes!!!

YOU FUCKING BITCH!

[cutlassmama]

54. Couldn't agree more.

[Mithreal]

55. The Speaker is supposed to be our representative

and she ignores our voices.

[Solly Mack]

57. Oh well. It's not as if the Bush admin. has done anything that warrants impeachment

and the country can move beyond war crimes and forget they ever happened ...what's a little torture anyway? what's the lack of habeas corpus anyway? what's illegal detention anyway?
what's a little spying anyway?.... what did it hurt? They're just rights...who needs those?

and we all know how much the unitary executive has benefited America.

and the people of Iraq and Afghanistan are just sooooo grateful!

And everyone will love us again if we just pretend none of it ever happened and moved on...besides, the rest of the world is used to an America that pretends to be something it isn't.

[AZgirl7]

62. see the truth

pelosi knows EXACTLY what's going on. She's been bought or blackmailed. THROW HER OUT! Don't like Cindy? Do you hate her as much as you SHOULD hate Pelosi?

[radfringe]

65. get a doll house table, write impeachment on it and mail it to her

[flordehinojos]

66. pelosi is taking on the role of a god. she ought to let the process of impeachment speak for itself!

[ashandaurynsgramma]

67. too bad

certain members of congress can't be impeached as well

[Kolesar]

70. The Democratic Underground has a gardening forum

I think you have to contribute to DU to get to the interest forums. It can be a modest contribution. Welcome to DU :hi:

[Eagle_Eye]

71. Weather she can get an impeachment or not, I think she should still propose a measure to impeach

The impression I am getting is that the Democrats (who are in the majority) can be bullied around by the republicans (who are in the minority).

Our leadership needs to get it straight. We are in power, our congressmen work for us, and we want an impeachment hearing!

[FreeStateDemocrat]

73. Very ineffective in key Democratic leadership role and needs to be replaced immediately.

[jonnyra]

74. The question for Pelosi

is no longer will you impeach but what is she hiding? Why is she protecting Bush/Cheney? She is clearly running cover for this rogue administration. Has she been threatened or is she in it up to her eyeballs? Will hers and many other democrats names surface as contributing to the crimes of this administration? Why does Conyers act like a pathetic scared child whenever this subject comes up as opposed to the fairly aggressive stance he had before Pelosi took control?

There is more than enough evidence to demand impeachment investigations. She is bound by the constitution to oversight and should be doing her duty to this nation rather than covering for the Bush/Cheney crime family. Just one more example of a government run amok...steeped in lies, cover ups, illegal wars, torture, spying on Americans, incompetence...the list goes on. And if you think the November are gonna change on god damned thing forget it. The fix is in. We are no longer a democracy...if we ever really were. Pelosi is just another crooked government official making sure those who are robbing Americans of their hard earned money continue to do so. Both parties are part of a corrupt, sleazy crime syndicate that has destroyed this nation.

FUCK. THEM. ALL.

[frog92969]

182. But...but she "prays for him".

You don't want her to do her job too do you?

[countryjake]

75. The mistake in her thinking is that impeaching these bastards...

would have, most likely, actually unified our nation, not to mention improve the standing of the USA in world opinion. She failed to take advantage of one of the most patently agreeable actions that anyone in this country could have taken, in regards to the mess we have made in Iraq. The Re-thugs she works with, who still hang on to the notion that what was done during the past years of this miserable occupation were good for our democracy, are few, and those they represent are restless, embarrassed, and angry.

What better way to force her hand could she have been given?

The woman is complicit, that is the only way I read what she has (not) done.

[southerncross48]

76. Where does she Live

I understand she rents an apartment in here district, but really lives in the Napa Valley. Kind of reminds me of Dickie boy living in Texass, but claiming Wyoming residence. Vote her out of office---good bye Bitch

[Botany]

77. Either do your job or get out Nancy

1 million people have died because of the war bush & Cheney lied to start.

Brewster Jennings the CIA "front company" that had Val Plame was rolled
up, God knows how many died, real WMDs get spread around the world,
and the White House destroyed evidence about their actions in this case
that was treasonous.

Dick Cheney's stocks have risen 3281% in the past few years thanx
to the war he lied to help start.

Big energy companies were allowed to write our nation's energy &
environmental laws and proceedures as global warming keeps getting
worse.

The Dept. of Justice has been turned into a branch of of the RNC to help
rig elections and Don Siegleman sits in jail.

The enron, Califorina Black-outs, and Gov. Arnie scam has never been
explained.

[Vinca]

78. How disgusting this woman is. It's not what her personal feelings are.

I don't really care if she wants to tiptoe around and not step on toes. It's a matter of law. Can the Speaker be removed for incompetency?

[The Wizard]

79. The best way to unify the nation

would be to stop the illegal Bush junta by any means necessary. Since the junta refuses to supply any of the documents and evidence demanded by Congress, the only reasonable alternative is impeachment. Nancy's message is loud and clear: The Democratic leadership is either too chicken shit or up to their elbows in corruption to deal with the criminal cartel known as the Bush Administration.
And the treasonous Scooter Libby, Dick Cheney and Karl Rove are still at large.
It is understandable that all criminal prosecutions are on hold, as the Criminal-in-Chief will pardon everyone he possibly can upon leaving office, but impeachment puts the brakes on the continuing criminal enterprise now occupying the White House.

[rucognizant]

83. Rove yes....

If we don't bring him to justice he will screw up the next election! He's "workin' hard" on it right now!

[SHRED]

81. Dereliction of Duty

Since when was it ever Pelosi's right to take impeachment "off the table".

GRRR...:mad:

[Senator]

82. Whining "Too Divisive" Gets It Bassackwards. (As is usual in DC)

Impeachment is the ONLY way to unify our once-great nation.

We might risk "dividing" the war criminals from the Real Americans. Oh My!

Impeachment is our ONLY moral, patriotic option.

It IS our postive agenda.

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[Ravy]

87. You want her to be President? nt

[Sam Ervin jret]

88. The ONE TRUE thing HUCKABEE has said,Nancy needs to hear. Politicians(YOU) SERVE at our discretion.

The probelm for Huck is he needs to remember HE can't SERVE TWO MASTERS.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

94. Well, it the Huckster says the ONE TRUE thing, why are wasting time here on a

Democratic message board? :shrug:

Ah, the Huckster, fooling those who can be fooled 100% of the time. He makes PT Barnum look like a piker.




MKJ

[Sam Ervin jret]

Because he only says that one and only thing that is true. the rest is self serving bull shit.

and that's from a non born again Christian, who actually believes in the philosophy of Jesus and does not just memorize the words and make the rest of the crap up!

[Sam Ervin jret]

126. Because he only says that one and only thing that is true. the rest is self serving bull shit.

and that's from a non born again Christian, who actually believes in the philosophy of Jesus and does not just memorize the words and make the rest of the crap up!

[Voice for Peace]

89. She's feeling the pressure and the popularity of Impeachment, even if she's smiling.

Keep up the pressure, double it, wear more buttons, bump into her more often. She could change her mind. All it takes is one moment with a persuasive person, ideally a colleague, and she could flip. Don't give up yet.

[From The Left]

90. SAN FRANCISCANS VOTE THIS WAR PROFITEER OUT!

I don't care who you replace her with, I know Cindy Sheehan is running, and hopefully, there will be others but, Speaker Botox can't be returned to office for another term.

[NikolaC]

91. I Never Thought That I Would Say This

But, what a total twit! So basically to hell with the American people demanding that she do her job, she has more pressing issues that she would like to deal with. Really, the people in her district need to vote her ass out.

[santamargarita]

93. Impeach or get impeached!

If she won't do her job then get her out!

[rjones2818]

96. The sooner Nancy, Stenny, et al on the House side

and Harry and his team on the Senate side, are no longer in leadership positions, the better!

[humbled_opinion]

99. Pelosi is a tool... n/t

[GreenCommie]

100. They impeach over sex

And we refuse to impeach over high crimes and misdemeanors that are screwing over this country.

Yeah, very "uniting."

[Marthe48]

101. Like Bush said-who cares what we think?

Guess Nancy doesn't understand that it isn't what she wants, it s what the PEOPLE want. I wish we'd get leader, not posers!

[Penndems]

103. We're gonna be inaugurating a new President a year from today

If impeachment proceedings were initiated today, and the House and Senate voted to impeach, The Village Idiot and Uncle Dick would be about six months away from leaving office anyway. Perhaps Speaker Pelosi and Congressional Dems believe that undertaking the impeachment process at this juncture would be a waste of time.

The time to impeach would've been about three or four years ago, when this Administration's damage could be contained, and the country could move forward sooner.

Unfortunately, the GOP still controlled Congress, and they weren't about to let their golden boy be thrown out.

[Oak2004]

127. Impeachment is about more than just getting them out of office

It prevents a pardon for their criminal activities, it denies them the perks of a past officeholder (do you really think Bush and Cheney have earned the right to lifetime support from the taxpayers?), and it makes a loud, clear, statement that criminality will not be tolerated anywhere, even in the highest offices of the land.

[Penndems]

132. They're not gonna get away with anything, Friend

Both of 'em can be brought up on changes of crimes against humanity - if not in this country, then definitely in The Hague. Bush and Cheney are hated as much, if not more so, abroad then here in the U.S.

I could be wrong, but I don't think the next President (a DEMOCRAT) will pull a Gerard Ford and pardon these two. In fact, every Democratic Presidential candidate should make that part of their platform: "No pardon for Bush and Cheney when I get into office."

Oh, how the GOP would love to get one of their own back in the Oval Office, to ensure The Village Idiot and Uncle Dick get away (literally) with murder!

[navarth]

141. sorry, friend

I think you're totally wrong, more's the pity. I don't think there's a chance in Hell the next president will let anything happen to these criminals. Not unless that president is Edwards (maybe not even then, sorry to say), Kucinich, or Gravel. (Not including any of the others because they've dropped out.) And if it was a Repiglican? Ha ha don't even think of it.

I don't think Bu$h or any of these blood-soaked war criminals will ever see the inside of a jail cell. President Hillary Rodham Clinton allowing them to be prosecuted? Somebody please give me a reason to believe that would happen.

As far as the rest of the world goes...there will just be certain countries these people can't visit, just like Kissinger. That ain't gonna bother ol' G. Dubyah, they ain't got no country music or rodeos or reruns of 'Dallas' on the TeeVee.

And even if some kind of sword of justice is pointed at them, they can always escape to the Bu$h compound in Paraguay. Neat and clean...scot free, just like ol' Grampa Prescott Bush, Hitler's Banker. Yessir.

[Penndems]

153. Then why even bother voting, for God's sake?

If you firmly believe that nothing's going to be done by any Democrat to hold this Administration accountable, then why not just go ahead and turn this country over to another Republican for the next four to eight years? President McCain, anyone?

The time for impeachment was four years ago, damn it, and now it's too late. The Republican majority Congress sure as hell wasn't gonna impeach The Village Idiot and Uncle Dick. You can blame the nitwits who voted the incumbents back in in '04. There wasn't shit the Democratic minority could do, other than introduce resolutions to investigate and impeach. You see how far they got with that with the GOP running the ship, right?

Bush and Cheney are leaving office at 11:59 a.m. on the afternoon of January 20, 2009. If - if Congress did agree on a resolution authorizing hearings into impeachment, Junior and Dick will still have six months to go. We're in the last year of gritting our teeth, and enduring this bunch. There's a light at the end of the tunnel and, for the first time in seven years, it ain't an oncoming train.

Ask the Democratic candidates what they would do to hold Bush and Cheney accountable, once the latter head back to Crawford and Cheyenne, respectively. If her/his answer conforms to what you believe, then throw them your support.

I pity whoever wins the next election. They're gonna be stuck with one hell of a mess from the present Administration that's gonna take literally years to clean up.

[navarth]

160. two words....Supreme Court

that's the only possible good I see happening at this point, assuming the next prez is a Democrat...and it sure looks like the rulers are going to give us the 'puppet on the left', to quote from the late Bill Hicks...

Listen don't get me wrong, I agree with everything you're saying, and I'm sorry to sound so gloomy. I just re-read your response, and dammit, these are the same things I'm pissed about.

As far as throwing my support to the candidate or candidates that would hold these bastards accountable...well the mighty mainstream bought-and-paid-for media seem to be working overtime to make sure we get no chance to vote for someone who would do that.

Please pardon my sourpuss attitude, I'm just not seeing much change in the next eight years, or any prosecution of the guilty, the way this election is shaping up. Please please PLEASE let me be totally wrong on this! Nothing would make me happier.

In the meantime, I will continue to call my congress people and senators, and try to get people to wake up wherever I go, and contribute to those who most closely represent me. At present, that would be Edwards, Kucinich, Dodd.

[Penndems]

192. You don't owe me an apology, Friend. I understand where you're coming from.

After eight years of this Administration's antics, we're all getting a little antsy to throw this bunch out.

We all just need to be extremely vigilant to what the other side has up its collective sleeves, right up through Election Day to ensure that Election '08 doesn't become Election 2000. Every vote needs to be counted, every polling place patrolled by local and state Democratic Party members and elections officials. In lieu of what we've been threw, we can't afford to have another selected candidate in the White House.

Let's ensure that all of our Dem candidates and Members of Congress know that we will hold them responsible for meting out punishment to Bush and Cheney once they leave office. Congress in particular needs to hold hearings and investigate the actions of these two and their political appointees. They can't leave scot-free.

If what Speaker Pelosi said is true, I find her snarky attitude completely unacceptable. There's simply no excuse for that dismissive attitude towards people who are paying her salary, irregardless of whether she agrees with them or not. Speaker Pelosi needs to apologize for her remarks.

Looking forward to exchanging ideas with you again here at DU! :hi:

[navarth]

194. Thanks!

Appreciate it

[Zhade]

143. Yeah, why bother holding criminals accountable, especially when they're about to escape?

Such fucking bullshit cowardice.

[MercerForPrez]

105. Callow and unhelpful

The shrillness of the anti-war movement has to be squelched.

[MisterP]

178. isn't that what Tojo and his Kwantung Army said? n/t

[Le Taz Hot]

186. You're new here so, if I might be of some help:

When you post, there's a link entitled "Smilies lookup table." In it you will see various icons listed and among them is one that looks like this: :sarcasm: . You might want to use it in your posts, when applicable, otherwise people on this board will think you are actually serious with your post.

Just trying to be helpful.

LTH

[boricua79]

106. Pelosi...step aside, traitor

“I go through airports, and people have buttons as if they knew I was coming,” Pelosi said with a smile, mimicking a protester pointing to an “Impeach” button on their chest.

Smiling about it...people in California...don't elect her again!

[ryanmuegge]

108. Why would she impeach one of her own?

[OzarkDem]

110. Do Clinton or Obama support impeachment?

Just wondering what their position is on the issue? Shouldn't we be encouraging them to speak out on it?

[Ian David]

114. Fuck you, Pelosi you worthless, cowardly piece of shit. n/t

[dkofos]

115. DEVISIVE, NO SHIT But necessary!!

[LeFleur1]

119. Amazed

I am constantly amazed by what appears to be a lack of knowledge of how our government works.
I'd like to see these two bozos at the head of the administration impeached too, but in order to impeach you need votes. They can't even pass child health care over the veto of the prez. How are they going to impeach? The votes aren't there.

Rant all you want but try to keep some semblence of the real world in your rants.

And why is it always, always the fault of the Democrats according to those who post on this forum. The Republicans have squandered our respectability with other countries, our tax money, our health care, they have trampled on our rights, allowed torture, untold numbers of other disgusting things, yet here, on DU, the blame is always on the Democrats. Why is that? In order to impeach the Republicans must admit that the prez and VP are incompetent people who have committed impeachable acts. They are not honorable enough to do that.

Nancy Pelosi is there. She knows where the votes are. Tearing her to pieces is not productive. Go after the real culprits...unless...could it be possible you support the real culprits and are giving them a pass?

[dkofos]

124. I am so sick and tired of the "we don't have the votes people".

How long would the no votes have in office if the truth was actually known.

They would be out this election cycle.

I'm tired of the lame excuses.

[NoodleyAppendage]

123. FU*K HER...TRAITOR TO THE CONSTITUTION.

Pelosi is no better than the citizen, who armed with a gun, stands by the wayside only to watch another citizen be raped and murdered. Her inability to comply with what the Constitution DEMANDS makes her complicit in the death of our democracy.

J

[Gertha]

129. What if they did impeach both, wouldn't she become President?

My civics may be off, but if they impeached both the President & Veep, wouldn't she become President? Some would say that by Pelosi pushing through articles of impeachment, she was making a power grab. So, she could put through impeachment on Bush, de-throne him, and now we would have trigger happy (pun intended) Cheney as President. We wouldn't have enough time to impeach him after the endless hearings about his Veep choice.

I think that she has let us down, but I can see how she would choose to work on other things since it would tie up congress, and not accomplish the desired effect.

[Senator]

133. That's probably the least likely scenario.

There are plenty of ways to arrange for a "caretaker" Repub -- like John Danforth or John Warner -- to finish the term without making it seem "partisan." It's just another rationalization for inaction. Even so, there's nothing wrong with her ending up in the WH because that's what the Constitution says should happen. The Speaker, like any caretaker that would be installed via regular procedure, would have the "consent of the governed" that this regime has never held.

But it's this type of "result-only thinking" that is the real problem. Like with "we don't have the votes," it presumes that you only do the right thing if you are guaranteed to get some desired result. And ignores the fact that even a failed attempt at doing the right thing sends a needed message to the world, to our children, and to history that America does not approve of war crimes and illegal government actions.

Failure to impeach is complicity -- approval -- exoneration for the regime.

It is the worst possible outcome.

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[Gertha]

134. I can see your point, and it is valid...

I guess that I just look at it from a point of view that we desperately need to get some stuff accomplished in congress, or else the republicans may kick our ass in the congressional elections. IMO a lot of people are not only angry that they didn't make better inroads to getting out of the war (read: a vote to cut funding), but haven't done shit other than name some post offices.

It just seems to me that an impeachment process this late in the game will hurt us come November. I agree with you that sometimes you have to do something just to make a point, even when you know that you will lose, but a very messy impeachment battle (and you know it will be) at this time could backfire. Perhaps it would behoove us to look forward and be successful, than to try to satisfy our desire to finally get him and disenfranchise centrists. Once we're in, we can change the laws so that this never happens again.

[Senator]

183. But can't you see that the same point...

...applies to all these other "reasons."

There is nothing but presumption that claims that it is possible to "get some stuff accomplished" or that impeachment will "hurt us" in some way. There are literally no inroads to make under "Rule By Signing Statement" (read: even fund cutting is just a sad hoax). And the polling evidennce shows that impeachment would help Dems with the electorate, in might even be the one way we could reunite the country.

Recent history has demonstrated that the "look forward" approach (ignoring past/current reality) is what got us in this spot in the first place. Had Reagan and Poppy Bush been properly called to account, their minions (cheney, rumsfeld, etc...) would still be clouded in infamy, instead of foisting their megalomaniacal mix of neofascism and incompetence on our once-great nation and the world.

Ironically, impeachment has been this Congress's only option for DOING anything from day one.

But it's worse than impotence. Their refusal to apply the required Constitutional remedy -- if they are in fact considering their/our political fortunes -- is corruption in itself. And since impeachment is the only action that could possibly put a stop to the ongoing torture of detainees, it may well also be a war crime.

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[bdamomma]

136. oh what the hell Nancy Pelosi, what will it take for you to realize

that * is a sick SOB, she is in denial. FU Nancy!!!

[BulletproofLandshark]

137. Coward

Nothing but a fucking coward.

[Canuckistanian]

140. If someone were destroying my country and Constitution, I'd sure "pick a fight"

After all, wasn't America founded on 'picking fights' with despotic governments?

[Zhade]

142. Fuck you Pelosi, you criminal accomplice.

NT!

[stimbox]

145. She needs to be greeted with a pink slip.

[TankLV]

146. yes - it would be "devisive" - no shit sherlock - but it is the RIGHT THING TO DO!

the CONSTITUTION demands it...

funny how it wasn't too "devisive" for the repukes to do it Clinton - they ended up with Congress and the White House after all...

[lovuian]

147. She is Awful

very sad really
I feel she is an accomplice to the massive stealing that has taken place in America
She is a coward

[MasonJar]

148. Maybe her constituents should begin to let her know that you will

be voting for another democrat, if a primary is held. Wasn't Cindy going to run against Her Highness? I'd bet she would change her tune then.

[AlbertCat]

149. one thing at a time

"Speaking with reporters, she recalled that she wanted to focus on unifying the nation, passing the Democrats’ legislative agenda — not picking an impeachment fight with the White House."

Oh Nanster....can you only do one thing at a time? It's the investigation that accompanies impeachment that we want a lot. Can't you and the rest of the old-world Dems pick a fight with the White House, y'know, get the investigation going at least (and keep them occupied) while the progressive Dems pass some legislation? (the old-world Dems must vote with them) I mean there are 281 of ya, all together... plus staffs. You can do more than one thing at a time....right?

[mdmc]

151. Disappointing

par for the course

[Dukkha]

155. Pelosi, tell these people's families saving them would've been "divisive"

http://icasualties.org/oif/BY_DOD.aspx

She disgraced them with her cowardly conformity to our enemy, as do all her apologists.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

159. So, according to this.....

"....But the California Democrat said she is sticking to her position that trying to remove Bush or Cheney would be divisive, and she added, most likely unsuccessful. If the House voted to impeach Bush and Cheney, a two-thirds vote would be needed in the closely divided Senate to oust them....."

She's not even going to TRY. I hope she doesn't get voted back in. How could she even smile while saying that? What's the matter with these Dems in Congress? Are they AFRAID? Are they receiving kickbacks? Why won't they even TRY? They're certainly not denying the Village Idiot anything!

[Ecumenist]

161. BLOODY BRILLIANT!!! Why she is trying her best NOT TO SEE

what everyone is screaming for is beyond me. The heifer needs to either pee or get off the damn pot. F#ck her. How much more divisive is she for not listening to what Americans everywhere are clamouring for?

[Swagman]

162. hey listen up criminals !..enforcing the law is "devisive"

[travelingtypist]

163. As if laughing at us is going to make us shut up.

Does she have the same kind of "no dissenting messages allowed"
bubble around her that Bush does?

God, I hate these people.

[TexasEditor]

164. DUMP PELOSI, AND THE REST OF THE SOLD-OUTS...

We need someone brave, courageous, patriotic and passionate, not a triangulating politician for Speaker.

[windoe]

166. 'Would be very divisive' sounds like an answer given to a child

that is being dismissed, instead of intelligent very adult citizens. The subject of impeachment is a complex issue, expertly documented in countless articles, books, blogs and speeches, and this oversimplified answer shows an authoritarian stance of deafness and superiority--which I find most insulting and infuriating. We are supposed to obey and listen to endless boring rhetorical speeches and give them the respect of their office, and for what if we are not even acknowleged.

Ms. Pelosi, How would impeachment divide this country? We are thinking reasoning adults that require a more thought out and complete answer than this rehearsed sound bite. The risk of dividing this country is much less than the harm done to us for not taking action now to prosecute criminals while they are in office! In fact the benefit of prosecution would start this country on the road to restoring the dignity and sense of ethics we once thought we had, and in fact unify America.

[femrap]

167. Hey Fancy Nancy..

NICE IS OVER!!!! IMPEACH THOSE CRIMINALS. I WANT OUR COUNTRY TO BE UNITED AROUND OUR CONSTITUTION....REMEMBER THAT?

edit: can't spell

[stillrockin]

168. She will be remembered as the collaborator she chose to be.

:thumbsdown:

[focusfan]

169. she is really stupid

i hope people boo her when they see her.

[7 of 11]

172. What the hell is she waitng for?

Are they bed buddies or something?


Nancy, what is it going to take?

[superconnected]

173. so she dosent' CARE what the dems want. It's not that she doesn't know.,

[Tom Joad]

174. For many in the Bay Area, Pelosi is off the table for 2008. She has made herself irrelevant.

If we wanted a leader to give Bush full funding for the war, we would have supported Hastert.
the woman who KNEW about waterboarding should resign in disgrace.

[ooglymoogly]

179. but is there anyone running against her?

I know the DLC and the bushies would use all their muscle to keep anyone from running against her. Fuck them, this is the survival of democracy as we remember it. She is a bad waxwork copy of an honest congress critter way over heated whose brain has already melted and the hollow eyes are caving in on the vacuum. Be gone witch. You are doing grave damage to the reputation, integrity and honor of this country.

[Tom Joad]

181. I can't mention Cindy Sheehan by name, because she is not running

as a Democrat. So i will refuse to mention Cindy Sheehan, the mother of a man killed in Bush's war in Iraq, because it might be seen as endorsing a non-Democrat.

So i will not say who is running against her. no siree, you won't hear it from me.

[ooglymoogly]

189. LOL...thanx

then I can't say who we should be rooting for.

[rateyes]

175. Hey Nancy, unite the country

around impeachment. It's your job, dammit.

[Mad_Dem_X]

184. The country is already divided

thanks to Bushco - I agree that pushing for impeachment would help unite us.

WTF, Nancy?

[JDPriestly]

176. No, Nancy, it's your failure to impeach him that is dividing the nation!

[Mosaic]

177. We’ll see what happens

Well Pelosi has been spewing that bs for quite some time but that hasn’t stopped Kucinich, Wexler, and many, many others so we’ll see what happens.

[Le Taz Hot]

185. Oh, this is rich:

". . . she recalled that she wanted to focus on unifying the nation, passing the Democrats’ legislative agenda"

WHAT legislative agenda? The covet-power-at-all-costs agenda? The scam-as-much-money-as-I-can-while-I'm-in-office agenda? This woman will not even meet with her constituents. With all their chest-pounding on how liberal they are, I can't believe San Franciscans are continuing to put up with this shit.

[Javaman]

188. Come on, you haven't figured out what the Dem house members agenda is by now?

it's to be enablers to moron*.

[ooglymoogly]

190. Is the picture * in his cheer leading days? nt

[ProudDad]

191. Obivously pelosi dozed through the Watergate hearings

She doesn't seem to understand why the Impeachment Process was put into the Constitution...

Or she's a coward.

Or both...


I think -- both...

A VERY RICH clueless coward sucking off the corporate teat.

[Peace Patriot]

193. "It would be divisive." What could be more divisive than slaughtering 1.2 million

innocent people to get their oil - in our name? What could be more divisive than torturing prisoners - in our name? What could be more divisive than using the Justice Department to influence elections? What could be more divisive than shredding the Constitution? What could be more divisive than abandoning poor black citizens in a natural disaster? What could be more divisive than purging black and brown voters from the voting roles? What could be more divisive than stealing elections with voting machines run on 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code, owned and controlled by rightwing Bushite corporations? What could be more divisive than a $10 trillion deficit that will be paid for by the poor?

The Bushite fascists MAKE WAR ON AMERICANS and everything we value, and then the Democrats try to UNIFY us with these blood-drenched, unconscionably greedy criminals.

Pelosi may want "unity" with fascists and nazis, and the most heinous criminals of our era. But the remedy for crime is justice, not "unity."

"Unity" is bullshit.

I think we need to look more closely at what is BEHIND this bullshit "unity" talk. And I think the buttons that greet her in airports should say, not "Impeach Bush/Cheney," but rather, "Why are you in bed with Bush/Cheney?"

And another one should say:

"Throw Diebold/ES&S and all election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor' NOW!"

or

"'Trade Secret' vote counting = Vichy Democrats!"

Dig deeper. What's BEHIND her deal with Bush/Cheney?