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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:02 PM Original message |
Tiger attack: Victim's brother doesn't believe he would taunt beast |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
1. They did something they shouldn't have--I figured something was up |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-29-07 01:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
117. Zoo officials initially thought a San Jose man was "making something up" |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-29-07 01:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
118. Tiger man 'tried to save friend' |
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silverojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
2. It's clear they have something to hide |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Seems like I've heard that line before |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:13 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Sorry, I don't think this is a "police are oppressive Nazis" type of incident. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. There is potentially a fortune in damages here. They have been |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:19 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Oh, I'm sure. Too bad there aren't other witnesses to what happened-- |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. The San Francisco Zoo has a bad rep already. And, I'm sure |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:46 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. I think they DID climb in or partly. Look at this stupid woman |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. It could have been thrown there. But, you are right. |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:56 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Yes. And once again we learn the lesson over. Also it is not |
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atre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 01:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
49. The shoe was not in the enclosure!!!!!! |
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maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #19 |
103. the shoe was between the enclosure & the fence. |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. It's being treated as a crime scene |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:29 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Because they have to preserve and gather evidence--they can't decide |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:32 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Yes, but you should always be very careful when talking to police |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:34 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Tell the truth as you remember it--what the hell is so complicated about that? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:55 PM Response to Reply #14 |
27. Well, that's why by law, the police have to read you your Miranda rights |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. I know everyone wants to make a big issue out of anything related |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 01:00 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Do you really think that after nearly being tiger dinner |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 01:03 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. These aren't "kids"--they're over 18. Please. They're not clamming up |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 01:17 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. The level of empathy at DU is pretty underwhelming sometimes. |
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atre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 01:19 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Turn the 17 year old hispanic kid into a 6 year old blonde-haired, white girl |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 01:32 PM Response to Reply #46 |
55. No kidding. The last time I had a near brush with death via a 300 lb |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 01:59 PM Response to Reply #46 |
63. It's true: I just talked to my grocer and yesterday a customer |
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BuelahWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-29-07 04:52 PM Response to Reply #46 |
120. A 17 year old has much better ability to judge danger than a 6 year old |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 01:29 PM Response to Reply #44 |
54. My empathy dissipated somewhat when they wouldn't even identify their dead friend. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 01:35 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Really. How COULD those two kids not want to identify their dead friend? |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 01:36 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. I'm sorry, but that's baffling to me. All they had to do was say his name. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:03 PM Response to Reply #58 |
66. Have you ever been in such grave danger that you went into shock? |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. Is there any evidence that they were IN such a state? Sounds like |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:10 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. You are kidding, right? |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:16 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. To say that they were too traumatized to even give police basic |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:19 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. I think that denying the physical consequences of shock |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:25 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. I was married at 22 and had my first child when I was 24. "Kids"--at 23? Give me a break. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:27 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. I've never watched a soap in my life, thanks! |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. Sorry, 23-year-olds are NOT kids, unless they're developmentally-delayed. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:32 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. That's just silly. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:40 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. Huh? Why do you have to go over the edge of reason--did your valid arguments |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:42 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Your question has been answered ad nauseum. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:45 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. LOL! It's more like, you've decided they should be exonerated, but whatever-- |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. Exonerated from what? They didn't build the enclosure. |
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Thor_MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 09:19 AM Response to Reply #87 |
124. I watched a grown woman with her children in the car reduced to sobbing tears |
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kskiska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #54 |
100. DELETE |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 04:09 PM Response to Reply #27 |
104. THey didn't read the miranda rights to the tiger, did they? |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 01:55 PM Response to Reply #14 |
62. Sure...and nothing ever gets twisted around, does it? |
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:02 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. So why did they lie to the elder Sousa about their son |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:05 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. By the same logic, 9 out of 10 teenagers are crummy people. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:09 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. Please. No evidence that this is a racial issue. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. You're kidding again, right? Had it been three blond girls |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:18 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. Is there any evidence of police mishandling this investigation out of racial |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:23 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. You are jumping to a conclusion. I never said the police were |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:27 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. The police investigation IS what we're talking about here-- |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:28 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. There go the goal posts. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. What? |
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:21 PM Response to Reply #68 |
83. OK, 19 is barely a teen and 23 is a full emancipated adult. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:25 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Strawman, my remote. Your students never fib about their homework |
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-29-07 11:17 AM Response to Reply #86 |
110. Don't teach, do you? |
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BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:55 PM Response to Reply #65 |
101. It's about principle - can you not see that? |
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-29-07 11:22 AM Response to Reply #101 |
111. The post was about why they lied to the FATHER of the |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. This is my town's zoo that is being dragged through the mud... |
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Demobrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:29 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Maybe when the shock and fear wears off. |
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atre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 01:04 PM Response to Reply #10 |
41. Your town's zoo wouldn't look so bad if they hadn't lied about so many small details |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-29-07 11:41 PM Response to Reply #41 |
123. Let's just say, the zoo has been having some issues, |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-29-07 11:36 PM Response to Reply #10 |
122. Apparently keepers in your town zoo |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
15. If the police had just saved my life because, out of the blue, a tiger jumped... |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:57 PM Response to Reply #15 |
31. I doubt ANY of us at this point believe that the "tiger jumped out" |
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atre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 01:21 PM Response to Reply #31 |
47. define no reason.... the tiger's hunger at typical feeding time sounds like reason enough for me |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Sorry but I think that is nonsense. I do believe there was taunting |
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atre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Why? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #50 |
77. Why is any tiger, no matter their mood, wandering around |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-29-07 09:26 AM Response to Reply #77 |
109. These ARE NOT KIDS. Time to get real here. And why do you always |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 01:41 PM Response to Reply #31 |
59. Exactly the point I was driving at in reply to BushOut06's query: |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #59 |
78. There are a number of people on death row that agree with both of you. n/t |
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BuelahWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-29-07 04:59 PM Response to Reply #15 |
121. Yes, a point everyone has forgotten |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #3 |
24. In a case like this why wouldn't you? |
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ElboRuum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #3 |
53. That depends quite a bit with what the police are asking you to cooperate with... |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-29-07 12:30 AM Response to Reply #53 |
108. Considering the brothers had some problems with police prior |
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Demobrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
9. I live in SF. Today the news is that |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:44 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. The wall was lower than... |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #18 |
61. If a human can jump over 8 feet high, it would seem likely that |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:07 PM Response to Reply #18 |
70. There's also the learning curve. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 09:43 AM Response to Reply #18 |
125. "additional steps to safeguard the idiots in the public." |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:56 PM Response to Reply #9 |
30. The first statement from the zoo was that the enclosure exceeded |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
16. There is much speculation that the three taunted the Tiger, |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. There was no shoe... |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Then they have changed their story again from Wednesday |
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atre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 01:03 PM Response to Reply #25 |
39. I don't know how you come to that conclusion |
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Lone_Star_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:50 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Wasn't there also a footprint on the railing of the enclosure? |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:54 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Yes and blood on the sign inside the enclosure? |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:58 PM Response to Reply #26 |
35. The sign... |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:55 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. Yes, there was a footprint... |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:58 PM Response to Reply #16 |
36. No shoe in the enclosure; pine cones, not stones. |
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atre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 01:17 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. As for the pinecones and sticks, that looks like crap as well... check out this photo |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 01:42 PM Response to Reply #45 |
60. Absent from that observation is any sense of how frequently the area is cleared by zoo staff |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:00 PM Response to Reply #45 |
64. I see that one of my friends started reporting this story in the last day |
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atre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:59 PM Response to Reply #16 |
37. Please read the latest stories |
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bigworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 01:27 PM Response to Reply #37 |
51. anti-Hispanic? Anti-youth? |
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atre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 01:35 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. Anti-dumbass, with no evidence of dumbassedness |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #56 |
72. See my #63 above. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:06 PM Response to Reply #51 |
69. They're brown, so the dumbass public is reading them as Latinos. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
17. Young men at the zoo on Christmas??? |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. The SF Zoo... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:57 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. Thank you |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 01:06 PM Response to Reply #32 |
42. LOL! Come on. I'm really sure these guys were all excited about |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 01:15 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. No no, not what I mean |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 01:27 PM Response to Reply #43 |
52. Oh, OK--I get you. I know, I immediately thought it was a little weird |
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Demobrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:04 PM Response to Reply #43 |
67. Xmas day was beautiful this year. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:16 PM Response to Reply #67 |
80. If they didn't celebrate the holiday maybe |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:21 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. One of them was bouncing between two parents' homes. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:31 PM Response to Reply #67 |
93. Me, either. I spent a lot of time at the zoo waiting for my Aunt Connie |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 12:58 PM Response to Reply #23 |
34. I think this is a really bad idea. Animals are stressed out enough |
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Blue Diadem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
75. Sounds like the kid that died was a nice kid, trying to save his friend. |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 03:06 PM Response to Reply #75 |
102. The story implies that the one who got killed was trying to help his friend...who may have been the |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-29-07 12:25 AM Response to Reply #75 |
107. If one of the brothers had a cell phone (presumably the |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-29-07 12:38 PM Response to Reply #107 |
112. Little tough to call on your cell when a pissed off tiger |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-29-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. Well, even if the tiger was after him, it appears quite a bit of time |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-29-07 01:13 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. Yeah I'm wondering if the cafe worker kept the cafe locked |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-29-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. Apparently zoo security initially wouldn't allow police inside. |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-29-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #116 |
119. And what's with the family of the survivors not talking to the |
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 11:22 AM Response to Reply #119 |
126. The brothers were worried about their car, not Carlos. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-30-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #126 |
127. Well, to me that doesn't look like the most rational thing in the world to do. |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
98. Sadly, my very first thought when I heard about this attack on the news, was that the tiger had been |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
105. i would have thought that they would have surveillance cameras for the animal enclosures... |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-28-07 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
106. The tiger enclosure was obviously unsafe |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-29-07 12:40 PM Response to Reply #106 |
113. SF Chronicle: Big-cat experts say a determined tiger could get over 12 1/2-foot wall |
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