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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 02:41 PM
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US sergeant branded a coward mounts furious fightback
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If Jessica Lynch, the fresh-faced West Virginia teenager turned international media icon, could be described as the accidental hero of the Iraq war, then Georg-Andreas Pogany is the accidental coward.

Like Private Lynch, who became an international celebrity largely through the manipulation of the Pentagon's propaganda machine rather than anything she did or did not do on the battlefield, Staff Sergeant Pogany, hired as a translator and interrogator with US Special Forces, did nothing to seek out his poster-child status and almost certainly does not deserve the notoriety that has come his way.

Unlike Ms Lynch, though, he has no million-dollar book deals or exclusive television interviews lined up. Instead, he is back at his home base in Fort Carson, Colorado, treated as a pariah by his fellow soldiers and former colleagues in the Green Berets, his legal status in limbo and his reputation in tatters.

His story, on the surface, seems unremarkable. Last September, after just two days on active duty in Iraq, he caught sight of the mangled body of a dead Iraqi soldier inside a white body bag. The body was ripped almost in two, with a large hole and strips of ripped flesh where the man's chest should have been.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=480351

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 03:03 PM
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1. this is disgusting
he had the misfortune of having a freeper hear of his breakdown.
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m-jean03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 03:45 PM
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2. What TV station called him a coward?
Edited on Mon Jan-12-04 03:49 PM by m-jean03
From the article:
<One television station put his picture beside Jessica Lynch's in a split-screen montage. Pte Lynch's image was emblazoned with the word "hero", while his carried the tag "coward".>

Does anyone know which station did this sick thing? This whole story makes me so upset. I feel so angry and sad for him and for all the poor guys & gals who are afraid to show any emotion because of this kind of thing.

I can't believe there would be many people even among repugs that would agree with this man's treatment. Does anyone know how this story has been treated over at that free republic?

\edited for spelling\
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renegade000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 05:02 PM
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7. don't you love people who say they 'support' the troops?
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blackcat77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 03:51 PM
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3. I have panic disorder
I can tell you it's got NOTHING to do with one's courage. It's a subconscious physical reaction. The person has no control over it and it must be treated with drugs or long-term therapy.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 04:00 PM
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5. Is that the same as having an "anxiety attack?"
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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 04:54 PM
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6. Similar, but a whole different animal...
Imagine yourself suddenly experiencing every classic symptom of a full-blown heart attack -- elephant sitting on your chest, heart rate like a hummingbird's, pain, tingling, and or numbness all the way down your left arm, disorientation, and the absolute, sure knowledge you ARE going to die, right now ("feeling of impending doom," they call it, but that doesn't even come close).

That's panic disorder.

Sometimes there's a trigger, and sometimes it comes out of the blue. Sometimes you think you know what the trigger is, but you're mistaken -- you've only learned to associate panic attacks with a place, or situation, or time of day... For me, I used to believe fluorescent lighting was the culprit, and began to feel very anxious when I would enter a supermarket.

Fortunately, I realized lighting had nothing to do with it, and now I can shop for frozen peas with aplomb.

When this false "association" with certain places gets really severe, it often develops into agorophobia. (See Sigourney Weaver's masterful performance in "Copycat" for an idea of what that's like.)

Sound crazy? Yeah, it sounds crazy to those of us who have it, too -- which is why so few sufferers talk about it. But it needs to be discussed, openly. We're not crazy people, or dangerous, or unstable; panic disorder is nothing more than a chemical imbalance, which can be treated through a combination of drugs and therapy (although I, like many others, refuse to get on the pill bandwagon for fear of never getting off -- my "treatment" is sheer will to "live through" my pseudo-"heart attacks," which works with a lot of practice, but is not something I would recommend for everyone).

Incidentally, panic disorder has a high correlation to OCD (obsessive-compulsive disorder), although no one seems to know why yet. That's a whole 'nother story -- and a subject discussed with even more reticence because it has its own host of "crazy" feelings.

What else can I tell you... Oh, PD often develops in one's early 20s, but that's not a hard-and-fast rule. I remember my first episode at the tender age of about three, and it developed into a full-blown problem by the time I was in my early teens.

The good news is that PD often begins to dissipate on its own in one's 40s and 50s. (Again, nobody knows why.) There's no guarantee it will ever go away, of course, but I seem to be living proof of that theory; I get panic attacks no more than one or twice a year now (whereas in my teens and 20s, I was lucky not to get them at least once a week).

Sign me,

Lifelong PD sufferer, riding it out
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RememberTheCoup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 03:57 PM
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4. Here's the paragraph that jumped out at me...
"But Sgt Pogany's nightmare is far from over. His commanders could still try him on a non-judicial charge of dereliction of duty, which could lead to confinement, docked pay and rank, and a less than honourable discharge. Or they could opt to revive the court martial charges. The danger, especially, in the former case, is that the officer bringing the charges would also be the one presiding over the trial, making it almost impossible for him to clear his name."

:wtf:

How can the officer bringing the charges be permitted to preside over the case? I realize military law differs from civilian law, but this seems to fly in the face of common sense. Isn't it obvious to anyone the problems inherent in such a scenario?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 05:11 PM
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8. This is what a real coward looks like



Pogany sounds more like a normal human being.

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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 05:12 PM
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9. And these FOOLS wonder why nobody is signing up for
the military, or re-enlisting? If there's a chance you're going to react to a real-world horror as if you're horrified, you're going to lose face before the world.

Geeezzz!!! I don't think I'd wanna go there!

:kick:
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 05:17 PM
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10. everyone knows translators have to have nerves of steel
christ, if every soldier who got freaked out a little... (he didn't desert or anything, did he? no awol? he's got the president beat.) ...were prosecuted, we really *would* have an "army of one."
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