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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 09:37 AM
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Muslim Aids Jews Attacked On N.Y. Subway
Source: CBS News/AP

Thugs Beat Jewish Group Who Wished Them A "Happy Chanukah"; Student Comes To Their Aid

(CBS/AP) A suspected bias attack on four Jewish subway riders in New York City has resulted in a friendship between the Jewish victims and the Muslim college student who came to their aid.

Walter Adler is calling Hassan Askari a hero for intervening when Adler and three friends were assaulted on a subway train in lower Manhattan on Friday night.

The altercation erupted when Adler and his friends said "Happy Chanukah" to a group yelling "Merry Christmas" on the Brooklyn-bound train.

Adler told the New York Post that one of his attackers rolled up his sleeve to display a tattoo of Jesus Christ.

"Happy Chanukah. That's when the Jews killed Jesus," the attacker told Adler.

The 20-year-old Askari, who suffered two black eyes, said he tried to fight off the 10 attackers, giving Adler a chance to summon police by pulling an emergency brake.

"I did what I thought was right," said Askari, a student at Berkeley College in Manhattan, who was allegedly punched and beaten. "I did the best that I could to help."


Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/12/12/national/main3609322.shtml
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 09:39 AM
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1. Sure makes the Christians look bad, doesn't it?
n/t
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 09:42 AM
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5. No... I don't think so.
No... I don't think so. I do think it makes the guys who did the assault look bad, though.
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Acadia Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:56 AM
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26. Mainstream Christians don't do this stuff. Nazi Fundies do.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 01:32 PM
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38. Like those broad brush strokes do ya?
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 09:41 AM
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2. I wonder how Faux News will spin this to fit their "Muslims are evil" agenda
Self-described Christians violently assault a group of Jews because they are not Christians. A Muslim tries to intervene and defend the Jews, but is himself violently assaulted by the so-called Christians.

Wow, I bet the Faux News scriptwriters will have to work overtime to get this one "right."
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rAVES Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:20 AM
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10. "Reformed Muslim Helps....."
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:07 AM
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18. "Reformed Muslim aids non-perfected Jews attacked by Perfected Christians
trying to perfect them.
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Acadia Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:57 AM
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27. Fox finds a way to blam the victim if the victim is not a rightist
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 12:27 PM
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32. And a way to exonerate the perpetrator if the perpetrator is a rightist
That all goes without saying. :hi: The real question is how it will be spun.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 03:05 PM
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46. They'll ignore it
Very simple.
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KaptBunnyPants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 01:13 PM
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37. Secular leftists assualt Christmas well-wishers, the War on Chistmas continues...
Edited on Wed Dec-12-07 01:13 PM by KaptBunnyPants
nm
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MikeNearMcChord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 09:41 AM
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3. So what do you say now Muslim Bashers?
Edited on Wed Dec-12-07 09:42 AM by MikeNearMcChord
Paging Mssrs Beck, Savage and Horowitz!
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 09:42 AM
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4. Wow, a Muslim stepping in to defend Jews from Christians!
Neat story.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 08:35 PM
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65. It's 1492 all over again nt
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Magleetis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 09:43 AM
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6. A glimmer
of hope for humanity. Don't get used to it.
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rAVES Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:18 AM
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9. Hmm.. well.. the stupid Christian kinda negates the helpul Muslim...
Edited on Wed Dec-12-07 10:19 AM by rAVES
I call it about even Steven.. :p
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slowry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 01:04 PM
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36. Well, you're not gonna get a "win" out of what started as brutality.
Hey, someone should mention that to the freepers... I'm sure they'd understand.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:04 AM
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7. That's when the Jews killed Jesus?
Someone's confused in a number of ways, and I don't think it's me.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:01 AM
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15. The Jews killed Jesus -- propaganda popular with Nazis.
I just watched "Au revoir, les enfants" a few months ago and the scene in which the younger of the two brothers asks the older about why people were saying that the Jews killed Jesus is haunting.

Jesus was a nice Jewish boy who was killed by the Roman Empire.
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WarhammerTwo Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:24 AM
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22. It's not entirely untrue...
Crucifixion was, indeed, a Roman thing. But here's the rub. Pilate offered to set Christ free. He didn't think Jesus was guilty of anything. He asked the masses, "Who do I set free? Barabbas or Jesus?" And they chose Barabbas. That's why he gave Jesus 40 lashes. He figured he would severely punish him, hoping it would make every one happy. It didn't. To be fair, it was the Pharisees, fearful of Jesus' growing political clout, who incited the crowd to release Barabbas. People voting against their own best interests. Then Pilate washes his hands of the affair and places the blame on the Jews. That's where that comes from.

What I don't understand is why everybody is upset about this. I don't get why folks are made at Judas or the rabble that voted for Barabbas over Jesus. After all, Christ's Resurrection was the plan all along. In order to make right with God the big faux pas Adam and Eve pulled back in the Garden of Eden, cursing us all to a life of sin, Jesus had to die and rise on the third day. His dying on the cross and subsequent rise is what grants us eternal life and salvation from sin. So if that was the plan all along and it needed to happen in order for us to be saved, why does anyone get angry at the folks who were carrying out the roles they were given? Did the Jews asks for Christ's Crucifixion? Yup. Did the Romans grant it? Yup. And thank God they did. It's what saved the rest of us.

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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:47 AM
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24. That's just the story, written decades later by a biased source.
The FACT is there is no historical record for Jesus to have ever existed. Even the touted Josephus record was written three decades later, at the time that Rome destroyed Israel - and there is more than a suggestion that even THAT was a forgery, inserted into Josephus at the beginning of the 4th century.

The reason the gospel writer tried to put it back on the Jews was because the Romans were adopting christianity, and the jews were the scapegoats. The Romans could NOT be the bad guys in this narrative, because they were talking about themselves.

Two millenia of racial and religious hatred is the result of this myth. And you are helping to perpetuate it.
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WarhammerTwo Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 12:55 PM
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34. Perpetuate it?
Dude, the FACT is that that is what's written in the Bible whether any of us believe it or not. And I fully realize that the gospels were written by f our (maybe more) authors of Greek and Roman descent sometime between the years 60 and 100. I also realize that these folks were writing toward their target audiences and put their own spin on things to make it more appealing (even though practicing Christianity wasn't made legal by the Roman empire until 311 and wasn't accepted as the state religion until about 390). But that's why I don't take the Bible literally. I think there's a lot of truth to be found there (y'know, love one another, don't kill, etc.) but I don't take it as a word-for-word historical account. Heck, I struggle with whether Jesus had any Divinity at all or if he was just some sort of religious reformer with a bunch of good ideas that people elevated to a God-like stature. Such is the burden of my faith. It's a life-long journey for me.

Anywho, all I was pointing out is that the whole "the Jews killed Jesus" argument is derived from the Gospels. So people twist it out of context and use it as a way to validate their hate and prejudices. I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying that's where that comes from. And if you go back and read what I wrote, I'm not even blaming the Jews. It was the Pharisees. They saw Jesus as a challenge to their power and authority so they manipulated information and underhandedly influenced others to squash Jesus before he could rally the people against the current political environment. And even then, I don't blame the Pharisees, either. According to Christian theology, Jesus' death was SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN. If he didn't die, then he couldn't get resurrected. If he wasn't resurrected then we wouldn't have eternal salvation. That's the Christian theology. So if you actually take off your blinders and stop pointing fingers for a second, you'll see that I'm saying NO ONE SHOULD HATE ANY ONE FOR ANYTHING THAT'S WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE! Jesus had to die and he knew it. That was his purpose, to die for our sins, according to Christian teachings. So why be mad at anyone? Why blame anyone? Everyone did EXACTLY what they were supposed to do to fulfill the Messiah prophecy.

On top of that, as Jesus was being crucified, he FORGAVE those who were doing it to him. So even if idiots out there want to castigate Jews for killing their savior, they should follow his example and forgive them, too. that's what being a Christian is all about. Love and forgiveness. If you can't love God and love your neighbor as yourself (and EVERYONE, no exceptions, is your neighbor), then don't call yourself a Christian.

And on top of even that, no one who professes to hate Jews can call themselves a Christian. Jesus was a Jew. He followed all the Jewish traditions and celebrated all the Jewish holidays. He was crucified shortly after he celebrated Passover. As a matter of fact, the act of Christian communion, whether Catholic or Protestant, is a reenactment of Jesus' Passover celebration. So anyone who is "Christian" yet hates Jews is a big, fat hypocrite.

So thank you for disrespecting me and my faith. Thanks for calling my beliefs a myth. And thank you for jumping the gun, jumping to conclusions and basically calling me a bigot when I was arguing a point directly to the contrary of that. Maybe slowing down, taking a few deep breaths and actually processing what you read with an analytical eye rather than with an emotional heart can help fix that.

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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 02:37 PM
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43. You might want to look up "perpetuate" in a dictionary
Just sayin...
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WarhammerTwo Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 05:06 PM
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49. A verb. To carry on; Sustain.
The story is what it is. Although, I'll concede and say (as I did in another post) that after looking it up, none of the gospels hold the Jews responsible for calling for the crucification of Jesus. The gospels only refer to them as "the crowd." None of them talk about the size or diversity of the crowd. Still, can you at least understand why most people assume the crowd was Jewish? Y'know, being in Jerusalem, honoring a Passover custom of pardoning a prisoner and the like?

I take exception, though, because my post DOES NOT perpetuate using the gospels as a justification for hate or violence. For those out there who actually do believe that the Jews killed Jesus (and I hope you can understand how they can come to that conclusion from what's in the Bible), they should forgive them and love them. That's what Jesus would've wanted. That's what I want to perpetuate. Christ's love and forgiveness. To everyone and anyone. No exceptions. Jew, Muslim, Christian, Agnostic, Atheist. Black, white, hispanic, asian, middle eastern. Everyone.
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 05:17 PM
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50. You posted the Readers Digest version
stating it as fact. If that isn't perpetuating a story, I don't know what is.
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WarhammerTwo Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 05:32 PM
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51. Absolutely right.
Edited on Wed Dec-12-07 05:36 PM by WarhammerTwo
In my initial post, I did make it sound like fact. Not my intent, and I apologize. I was just trying to relay the story as it was recounted in the New Testament. The fact is, that's how it's written. Whether it's true or not is debatable. Like I said in subsequent posts, I take the Bible with a grain of salt. I don't think it's a word-for-word historical text. I really believe there's truth to be found there, albeit not literally. I think the teaching of Christ (whether you believe he existed or not) offer some pretty good suggestions on how people should live their lives. Again, how can you argue with a philosophy of love and forgiveness?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 12:01 PM
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29. Oh, dear.
I always get so nervous around people who believe the New Testament is history.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 12:08 PM
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30. I disagree with your take...
I disagree with any description of the crowd present that day as "the Jews" - that is, to me, inaccurate hate speech. If you would object to the statement that 'Christians are terrorists' - even though Timothy McVeigh and his bomb-making helpers were Christian - because they were a small, biased subset of all Christians, then why don't you object to equally offensive generalization that "The Jews" called for Jesus' death?

The people there that fateful day were not "The Jews" -- the people who were there when Pilate asked the crowd to decide between Jesus or Barabbas was a very, very small, biased subset of all people who lived in the city, the region. And yet, the story is framed again and again and again in terms of "The Jews." Language matters very, very much. Instead of referring to the religion of many people in the crowd that day as if it was the cause of their behavior, why don't Christians refer to the city in which those people lived? The people of Jerusalem called for Jesus' death that day.

I also disagree that it is okay that the citizens of Jerusalem who were there that day called for Jesus' death because that was part of the plan, that this is what lead to the salvation of Christian believers. It sounds to me as if you are saying that it is okay for people who harm or kill others to do so because the who are killed will be at peace, those who are harmed will heal. The fact that healing occurs after the vast, vast majority of horrors does not make it okay for people to participate in those horrors. The behavior of the particular individuals who were there that day - the Pharisees and citizens of Jerusalem who called for Jesus' death is not acceptable - period.

Finally, Jesus' death was caused by the Romans - period. Had the Romans not been occupying the land then Pilate would not have been there to have Jesus arrested in the first place. Pilate had free will and he could've released Jesus no matter what the crowd said. He wanted it to happen the way it did or he would not have allowed events to play out. Thus, no matter what he said about "washing his hands" of the event he had the power to make events turn out differently so he - the Roman governor - is responsible. I am sure that George Bush has washed his hands of the deaths of the 1,000,000+ Iraqis killed since the occupation began in March 2003 -- but no matter how often he washes his hands the blood will never wash off.

I stick with my original statement "the Jews killed Jesus" is a Christian frame for describing the events of that day that was used as Nazi propaganda and continues to fan flames of hatred today.
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WarhammerTwo Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 04:31 PM
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47. I admit, I was wrong....
Not having the Bible memorized, I looked up the passage in all four Gospels. It turns out the "Jews" in the story are simply called "the crowd." No mention of size or ethnicity. However, since it was a religious festival of Passover in Jerusalem and the custom of releasing a prisoner occurs during this Feast, I think that most folks assume the crowd was mainly Jewish and fairly large. And I would think that placing the blame on the Jews comes from the following in Matthew 27:

20 But the chief priests and the elders persuaded the crowd to ask for Barabbas and to have Jesus executed.
21 "Which of the two do you want me to release to you?" asked the governor. "Barabbas," they answered.
22 "What shall I do, then, with Jesus who is called Christ?" Pilate asked. They all answered, "Crucify him!"
23 "Why? What crime has he committed?" asked Pilate. But they shouted all the louder, "Crucify him!"
24 When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. "I am innocent of this man's blood," he said. "It is your responsibility!"
25 All the people answered, "Let his blood be on us and on our children!"

Now this whole "his blood be on us and are children" line is only written in Matthew. John, Luke and Mark don't say it. And again, I VEHEMENTLY oppose using any religious text (Christian or otherwise) to justify violence against anyone. All I was pointing out is that this is where that goofball mentality comes from. It's also pretty obvious if you read Matthew, his is the most vindictive of the gospels. And to whoever said the Bible was written by biased individuals, I would definitely say Matthew had an ax to grind.

So yeah, I'll agree with you that it was a Christian frame for justifying hate against Jews. But it's important to see how that kind of mentality can be derived from what was written.

I do disagree with you, however, on your point that if the Romans weren't occupying, Jesus wouldn't have died. I seriously doubt Caiaphas wouldn't look for some way to get rid of Jesus whether Rome was there or not. Jesus was a direct challenge to Caiaphas and the high priests; stopping adulteresses from getting stoned, forgiving sins, healing on the Sabbath and all that jazz. He was a blasphemer (and a liberal and a socialist)directly defying the laws as Caiaphas and his cronies professed and they wouldn't have let him live, no matter who was in charge.

And this?

"I also disagree that it is okay that the citizens of Jerusalem who were there that day called for Jesus' death because that was part of the plan, that this is what lead to the salvation of Christian believers."

Well, that's how it's taught to us by the church. That's what I was taught in CCD growing up Catholic. And that's what my wife was taught in Sunday school growing up Protestant. Christ died for our salvation.

"It sounds to me as if you are saying that it is okay for people who harm or kill others to do so because the who are killed will be at peace, those who are harmed will heal. The fact that healing occurs after the vast, vast majority of horrors does not make it okay for people to participate in those horrors."

I don't even know where you're deriving this from. I didn't say anything like that. I said God had a plan. He was going to come down as Jesus and sacrifice himself for us. To save us from sin and grant us entry into heaven when we die, entry that was denied to us by Adam and Eve. That's standard Christian teachings. Now please understand, I don't buy into Adam and Eve. Okay? I think that's a story to explain man's origin (Evolution is what explains it to me). All I'm explaining is what churches teach their congregations. Okay? Whether I agree with them or not is moot. But according to church teaching, Christ had to die to fulfill the prophecy of the Messiah in the Old Testament. Okay? That's what the Bible suggests. That's what the church teaches. So all I was asking is (and what no one answered ) is, if the church teaches us this, then why are people upset at anyone for crucifying Jesus? If he didn't die and rise on the third day, we'd all still be waiting for access to Heaven when we die. We wouldn't have salvation and eternal life after death. That's what, according to the church, Jesus' death and resurrection got us.

Ya wanna know what I believe? Alright. I'm not sure if Jesus was God. I struggle with the issue. Like I said, he may have just been a holy man with a bunch of great philosophies. And I'm not sure if he rose from the dead on Easter Sunday. I don't know if that act of dying and rising is what gets us into heaven. it might be. But what I personally believe is that as Christians, we are called to live a Christ-like life. And when Christ was being tortured and crucified and was dying, you know what he did? He FORGAVE those that persecuted him. Romans, Jews, everyone. He FORGAVE them! That means that when someone does something awful to us, as Christians we are to forgive them and love them. No matter what. No revenge. no eye for an eye. FORGIVENESS! That's what I think is the key to our salvation. Jesus showed us the ULTIMATE example. Mocked, flogged, humiliated, tortured and crucified, yet he forgave them. So whether or not he rose from the dead? Don't matter to me. He showed me how to live my life. Forgive and love. That's what saves you. That's what gets you into Heaven. And so, if you're one of those nuts who look to blame the Jews for Christ's death, then as a Christian, it is your duty to be like Christ and FORGIVE them and love them.

And I don't care who you are or what you believe or what you worship, I don't know how you can disagree with a philosophy like that.
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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 12:30 PM
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33. And it certainly didn't happen at Chanukah!
These fools are not Christians or anything but thugs. There are Mexican gangs who take the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe as a gang sign - but they do not give her honor.
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estherc Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 09:21 PM
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59. The attackers weren't Mexicans
From their names I'd guess they're Serbs. American skinheads have always taken up the Serbian cause so it doesn't surprise me that sociopathic American youths of Serbian decent would choose skinheadom as their route to act out and rebel.
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:03 AM
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16. That was my first thought.
This idiot sounds like Jesus is just some comic book hero.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:21 AM
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19. Doncha know?
Jews killed Jesus during Hannukah, and put a double in his place who went around stirring up trouble so that he'd be condemned by the Romans, then faked the double's death and rising at Easter to create religious hysteria against the Romans.

That's the way 'I' learned it in sunday school.
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:24 AM
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21. Yep.
They went back in time and killed him before he was born. lol
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smokey nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 12:59 PM
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35. Funny, I thought it was common knowledge that "The Terminator" was based on the life of Christ.
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 01:46 PM
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40. Yeah, wasn't Pontius Pilate a muscly Austrian?
Or was that Judas?
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:25 AM
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23. Ah, now it's clear
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 09:41 PM
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61. It was Passover, damnit, not Hannukah, can't these anti-semites keep their Jewish Holidays straight
I mean seriously, even Nazis and skinheads should have SOME standards.
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rAVES Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:06 AM
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8. Thats Jihad!
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:24 AM
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11. the attack is very sad -- but mr askari is a remarkable human being.
:applause:
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:31 AM
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12. I hope they're reading this story in the Mideast.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:34 AM
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13. Good for Askari!!!
and quite the opposite for the scumbags who carried out the attack - I hope they get into a lot of trouble with the law.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:58 AM
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14. Why I'd love to live in NYC, but can't afford it! Did you all see this under the article's photo?
Edited on Wed Dec-12-07 10:59 AM by sinkingfeeling
"Eight men and two women have pleaded not guilty to assault, menacing and other charges in the case. Prosecutors have said the charges could be upgraded to hate crimes." (AP)

So much for the 'majority of hate crimes are against Christians' argument.

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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:05 AM
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17. "that's when the Jews killed Jesus"
Edited on Wed Dec-12-07 11:06 AM by boricua79
Hello, MORAN! Jesus WAS A JEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and may God / Allah bless that Muslim man. What a show of humanity!
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:22 AM
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20. Exactly, and
Even if that were true, the idiot quoted in the article has his calendar mixed up. Uh, isn't x-mas the celebration of Jesus' birth? It boggles the mind how these people can call themselves Christian.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:52 AM
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25. "I did what I thought was right," - even at the risk of personal injury
He couldn't just stand back and watch harm come to others.

He couldn't just pretend it wasn't happening.

The world needs more people like Askari
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 12:26 PM
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31. Like a Polish farmer I heard interviewed once.
He was an old man talking thru a translator. He had been brought to America for a vacation, a visit with the people he rescued by hiding them on his farm during World War II. When asked why he risked his life for strangers, he answered, "I had to. I'm a Catholic."

There is a street and a museum of these righteous people, all of different faiths. All followers of the true religion. They "couldn't just stand back and watch harm come to others."

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 11:59 AM
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28. YES! I KNEW I'd heard this!
But I couldn't find it anywhere online. The AP story never said a word about it.

New York, where a Muslim defends Jews attacked by Christians. I love this city.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 01:42 PM
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39. This reminds me of Springfield Missouri.
The Jewish and Muslim communities are very closely associated because they need strength in numbers to counter the bigotry of the fundamentalist Christian community.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 01:55 PM
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41. Great story!!! K&R
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 02:30 PM
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42. I wonder if bush will invite Askari to the State of the Union?
:sarcasm:
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 02:43 PM
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44. The religion of a literary character isn't important to this issue
Hanukkah is a celebration of the success of a guerrilla war against an occupying army. It was ignorance of this that led to the attack.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 03:02 PM
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45. o'lielly should book the attackers as they are warriors
in his war on christmas.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 04:38 PM
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48. A wonderful example of solidarity!
Great!
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 05:46 PM
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52. A great example of an everyday hero
This man defines it - coming to defend others at the risk of harm to himself. That's pretty amazing.

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umtalal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 07:28 PM
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53.  Muslim helps Jews attacked on New York subway
Source: CNN International

NEW YORK (CNN) -- A Muslim man jumped to the aid of three Jewish subway riders after they were attacked by a group of young people who objected to one of the Jews saying "Happy Hanukkah," a spokeswoman for the three said Wednesday.


The New York Police Department's Hate Crimes Task Force is investigating Friday's incident on the Q train.

Friday's altercation on the Q train began when somebody yelled out "Merry Christmas," to which rider Walter Adler responded, "Happy Hanukkah," said Toba Hellerstein.

"Almost immediately, you see the look in this guy's face like I've called his mother something," Adler told CNN affiliate WABC.

Two women who were with a group of 10 rowdy people then began to verbally assault Adler's companions with anti-Semitic language, Hellerstein said.

One member of the group allegedly yelled, "Oh, Hanukkah. That's the day that the Jews killed Jesus," she said.

When Adler tried to intercede, a male member of the group punched him, she said.

Another passenger, Hassan Askari -- a Muslim student from Bangladesh -- came to Adler's aid, and the group began physically and verbally assaulting him, Hellerstein said.

"A Muslim-American saved us when our own people were on the train and didn't do anything," Adler said.




Read more: http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/12/12/subway.attack/



The Muslim dude did not understand why they were so violent when they only wished them a Happy Hanukkah.


I am not sure what Adler meant by "our own people"? But what the hell it is a good story.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 07:28 PM
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54. I guess he meant other Jews.
It's sad when it makes the news that somebody acted like a decent human being. How much do you want to bet some of the hecklers were O'Reilly's people?
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 07:28 PM
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56. Oh what the hate-mongers hath wrought
O'Lielly makes up this War on Christmas bullsh*t and now innocent people are getting hurt over it. It's sickening.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 07:28 PM
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55. Uh oh. That's not going to fit into the nice Freeper narrative here.
Guess they'll have to look elsewhere for another story of the mean old American Muslims wanting to wipe out the Jews.
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 07:37 PM
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57. and here is some more on the assaulters
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 08:38 PM
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58. Wow. Thugs for Jesus.
"one of his attackers rolled up his sleeve to display a tattoo of Jesus Christ"

Christ would have been SO proud of them.
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 09:38 PM
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60. That's a graven image too! nt.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 12:54 AM
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62. "That's when the Jews killed Jesus?"
The moral problems with that statement aside, the calendrical problem there baffles me.
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hooraydems06 Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 01:30 AM
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63. The thing I find somewhat discouraging...
Edited on Thu Dec-13-07 01:31 AM by hooraydems06
... is that the ADL didn't bother to mention that the guy was a Muslim in their press release on the incident. You think they could have offered a guy a little praise specifically bringing up his faith, since he was standing up against anti-semitism, which is their mission statement, after all.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 04:56 AM
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66. well...
ADL Honors Hanukkah Subway Hero Hassan Askari


New York, NY, December 19, 2007 … The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today recognized a Muslim student who came to the aid of several young adults physically assaulted in an anti-Semitic attack while riding the New York City subway. In recognition of Hassan Askari's courage in standing up to the hate, bigotry and violence he witnessed, ADL established the Stand-Up New Yorker Award, and made Mr. Askari its inaugural recipient.

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/Mise_00/5194_00.htm


Just to put your "concerns" to rest.

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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 06:13 AM
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64. proving yet again that what unites us as humans is FAR more important . . .
than the silly little issues (like religion) that divide us . . . kudos to this young man for his courage and his caring . . .
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