Victim: Gang-Rape Cover-Up by U.S., Halliburton/KBR

[sabra]

Source: ABC News


KBR Told Victim She Could Lose Her Job If She Sought Help After Being Raped, She Says

A Houston, Texas woman says she was gang-raped by Halliburton/KBR coworkers in Baghdad, and the company and the U.S. government are covering up the incident.

Jamie Leigh Jones, now 22, says that after she was raped by multiple men at a KBR camp in the Green Zone, the company put her under guard in a shipping container with a bed and warned her that if she left Iraq for medical treatment, she'd be out of a job.

"Don't plan on working back in Iraq. There won't be a position here, and there won't be a position in Houston," Jones says she was told.

In a lawsuit filed in federal court against Halliburton and its then-subsidiary KBR, Jones says she was held in the shipping container for at least 24 hours without food or water by KBR, which posted armed security guards outside her door, who would not let her leave.

"It felt like prison," says Jones, who told her story to ABC News as part of an upcoming "20/20" investigation. "I was upset; I was curled up in a ball on the bed; I just could not believe what had happened."

...

Over two years later, the Justice Department has brought no criminal charges in the matter. In fact, ABC News could not confirm any federal agency was investigating the case.

Legal experts say Jones' alleged assailants will likely never face a judge and jury, due to an enormous loophole that has effectively left contractors in Iraq beyond the reach of United States law.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=3977702&page=1

[fascisthunter]

1. Bush and His Neo-cons Represent Pure Evil

I'm not much of a religious person, or a believer in the supernatural, but find words such as insane or sick too benign as a description. Everything these people have done has amounted to this.... gang rape. Gang rape the tax payers, the country, democracy, the constitution... fuck I'm mad as hell.

[tom_paine]

5. Yes, it becomes clearer just how monstrous they are every day.

That is why they keep winning, just like in 1930s Germany.

Nobody can really believe in such pure, unadulterated, ruthless evil. They are disarmed before it, unable to process it.

Want to read about you, me and everyone we know?

http://www.amazon.com/Defying-Hitler-Memoir-Sebastian-Haffner/dp/0312421133/ref=pd_bbs_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197208607&sr=8-2

[fascisthunter]

12. Thank You

I'll try as I'm all over the place these days, and reading becomes harder and harder. But thank you....

[143tbone]

18. Interesting. I read the editorial views and it got me thinking

about how angry I get when people I know say, "Oh, I'm not interested in politics." To me that's like saying I am not interested in how my government controls my life and rapes and murders people all over this globe.
Thanks for pointing out this book.

[acmavm]

20. They keep winning because no one will stand up to them. They

have been given a free pass on everything. And by our democratic reps no less.

[brentspeak]

22. Wait. Hold on. Explain to us here how "our democratic reps" have given Halliburton a "free pass".

[acmavm]

23. How many crimes have they committed? How much money

have they been paid? How many no-bid contracts did they get? How many times have they defrauded the government and thereby the American people? How much conflict of interest (to say the least) involved with old Dick Chainsaw?

And no hearings? No punishments?

They keep getting the funding don't they? Who controls the funding?

Never mind. If you can't figure this out for yourself then forget it.

[Gonnuts]

29. One word ...

EMMUNITY

[iheartobama]

38. one word....

is that anything like IMMUNITY?

[ima_sinnic]

43. oh DUH

sheesh, go back to sleep

[saigon68]

62. Yes those aggressive freedom loving Sens and Reps

The ones who brought us the Bankruptcy bill and the Patriot Act

That Bunch?

[kas125]

99. Thanks for that recommendation

I just ordered a copy.

[TahitiNut]

34. This is CORPORATE behavior - sadly and maddeningly not too unusual.

It's disgusting how corporate executives regard "damage control" to the exclusion of correcting/punishing all kinds of individual tyrannies. Take a corporation that's already horrible at EEO, put them in an overseas context, and it just gets worse.

I've seen it! :grr:

[lynnertic]

2. God Bless Jamie Leigh Jones

and may she receive the justice she seeks.

[Submariner]

3. I am glad I'm not her

If I could not get them arrested, I'm sure I would hunt them down one by one when they return to the states and waste them with what the Bush junta would call "extreme prejudice". I sincerely hope she gets justice from this travesty.

[CrispyQ]

17. My heart goes out to her.

I could definitely do a Jennifer Spencer (Sudden Impact) if something like this happened to me.

[mwb970]

104. That's what I thought of too.

When there are no laws, vigilante justice takes over. Sounds like it's called for this time. If she knows who they are, she can find a way to get to them.

[OnyxCollie]

4. Monsters. nt

[SpiralHawk]

6. republicon homelander goons are corrupt, amoral, and anti-democracy

Impeach the whole lot of sickos...and their shameful Commanders AWOL Bush & Dickie "Five Military Deferments" Halliburton Cheney

NOW

[Gman]

7. We don't really have any clue just how deep the corruption runs

This, or anything else we know of including the passing out of bricks of $100 bills is barely the top molecule of the iceberg. I'm talking a scintilla of a fraction of all the corruption out there. It is so big that is the fabled big lie that no one would ever believe.

[katty]

31. we don't -- but certainly the covert/black ops is running all of it

via WH approval

[Triana]

8. This is part of a HUGE Human Rights issue...

...and it ought to be CALLED OUT, EXPOSED...even if the animals who did this to her never are prosecuted, this ought to be EXPOSED everywhere possible for what it is:

WRONG

Human Rights: Say NO to Violence Against Women Worldwide

SIGN the petition. Educate yourself and others. GET INVOLVED. Spread the word! Before women are women, they are above all, HUMAN.

http://www.unifem.org/campaigns/vaw /

Violence against women and girls continues unabated in every continent, country and culture. It takes a devastating toll on women’s lives, on their families, and on society as a whole. Most societies prohibit such violence — yet the reality is that too often, it is covered up or tacitly condoned. — UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon, 8 March 2007

In 1996, the United Nations General Assembly established the UN Trust Fund in Support of Actions to Eliminate Violence against Women. The Trust Fund is managed by UNIFEM and is the only multilateral grant-making mechanism that supports local, national and regional efforts to combat violence. Since it began operations in 1997, the Trust Fund has awarded more than US$19 million to 263 initiatives to address violence against women in 115 countries. Raising awareness of women’s human rights, these UNIFEM-supported efforts have linked activists and advocates from all parts of the world; shown how small, innovative projects impact laws, policies and attitudes; and has begun to break the wall of silence by moving the issue onto public agendas everywhere.

[balantz]

9. Would I be assuming correctly

that these methed-out(possibly), gang-raping monsters may also find work with firms such as B*water? The thugs hired by our government to uphold "law and order"?

[formercia]

10. They're in Iraq for training

before they let them loose on the US population.

[southerncrone]

73. I suspect you are correct in that.

Unfortunately.

We must prepare.

[indimuse]

11. WILL SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING ALREADY???!!!!!!

ENOUGH!!!! V 4 V...PERIOD!

[YOY]

13. What kind of monster...oh yeah Halliburton

I'd like to know more about KBR. Who are they exactly? I assume mercs.

[louis-t]

16. KBR is a British subsidiary of Halliburton.

It is the company that was doing Biz with Saddam while Cheney was running it, in spite of sanctions.

[htuttle]

46. KBR is from Texas and is about as American as Baseball, Apple Pie and Waterboarding

As far as I know, they have no connections to the UK whatsoever. Just Texas.

on edit:

I mean to say that KBR has done work in the UK, among other places, but is not a 'British' company in any way.

[YOY]

48. Wouldn't happen to know thier forte would you?

"Security contractors"? AKA mercenaries.

[htuttle]

52. Actually, I think it used to be construction

KBR actually goes WAY back in Texas where they used to build pork barrel projects for LBJ.

I think they got in hot water during Vietnam (when they were called 'Brown & Root') over the same kinds of contract overbilling issues that get overlooked today.

[Hotler]

84. Brown & root were/are big union haters iirc. eom.

[louis-t]

58. Then I am mistaken about the subsidiary.

I need to google it and find the name of the British company tied to Halliburton that was selling to Iraq in spite of snctions.

[femrap]

70. they used to be known as

Kellogg, Brown and Root....competitors of Bechtel. Big engineering and construction firms that work with the CIA as they build overseas. When did Halliburton buy Kellogg, Brown and Root...and is that when the name was changed?

Have you noticed that corporations don't want to have names....just initials?

[Blue_In_AK]

97. Yes, I actually worked for Brown & Root

(actually, Brown & Root-Northrup) in Houston back in the mid-'60s, but we simply had NASA contracts back in those days. How did they become so horrible?

[louis-t]

59. OK, here it is.

Read it and weep.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halliburton

[peacetalksforall]

14. A person can divide the crimes of these people into two columns -

the crimes that are in the courts and being prepared for court
and
the crimes that can't go to court

One that can't go to court (?) is the crime of certain Democrats to be complicit in this war. They are complicit by vote and by not speaking out.

Beware the worst is yet to come. Examine the arrogance of these people and the feeling, if you had it, that they believed they were never going to get caught? How could they think that was? Martial law. Prisons for dissidents and complainers - in their eyes, whiners for justice..

[IronLionZion]

15. "beyond the reach of United States law"

Well, I think it's time to update some of these laws so we can prosecute these criminals. There's a lot of rape on cruise ships too.

It's times like this (or all the time) when I wish we didn't give our tax dollars to a company that moved to Dubai.

[RamboLiberal]

60. What a bunch of BS - so now that law Bremer

conveniently wrote to CYA the crimes of these mercenaries prevent even a U.S. Citizen getting justice for a brutal, despicable crime committed against her including kidnapping and imprisonment!

And for those of you who argue the need for tort reform - hell if I was a juror on the civil case I'd want to award her all the assets of Halliburton and KBR!

[Marie26]

108. This will never reach a jury

Mandatory binding arbitration clause in the KBR/Halliburton employment contract.

[Imagevision]

19. What's also scary is that idiot Bush has 12 months to further sink America...

[brentspeak]

21. Halliburton is trying to prevent the case from being heard in public

Saying that Jones' "employee contract" requires that it be arbitrated in private.

And the American taxpayer has paid how many billions of dollars to this corrupt Cheney corporation?

[FREEWILL56]

55. Rape is a crime

and not a business matter to be arbitrated.

[debbierlus]

24. I was just coming over to post this - glad DU featured it

Omg. Monsters. Every one of those men should be castrated & jailed for life.

Fuckers.

[natrat]

25. who will work to cover this up faster-pelosi or ried ?

[baldguy]

26. Your tax dollars at work.

[Maestro]

27. Disgusting.

That is about all I have to say. I hope Jones sees justice some day but I doubt it.

[debbierlus]

28. I am going to do a video asking Chris Dodd about this -

I think he is taking Youtube questions until the tenth....

This needs massive exposure, not just because it is such a tragedy, but it is such a far reaching issue. Halliburton should be removed from getting public contracts, period.

[Gonnuts]

30. Tip of the iceberg ...

This is just one story among many that have committed against our own women. It already has been documented that women have DIED from thirst rather than entire out of their confines at night to get a drink of water or use the latrine. And one has to think that if they'll do this to our own what are they doing to the Iraqi women that we don't even hear about?

Once you unleash the Dogs of War you have every atrocity man can commit following. That's why it was so sickening to see the rush to war that this criminal war-mongering, war-profiteering gang of pathological sick bastards put us in.

There is no place in Hell hot enough ...

[FloridaJudy]

101. Agreed.

My second response on reading this - after the gut punch for Ms Jones - was "My God! If they can do this to American citizens and get away with it, then what horrors are they inflicting on the Iraqis?".

These thugs need to be shut down NOW, and their billions of criminally obtained profits redistributed to their victims, including the Iraqi and American people.

Too steamed to continue typing properly.

[pleah]

32. Contract killers,

the new terrorist threat.

[Hydra]

33. And Nancy and the others say "We must fund the troops!"

These are the "troops" we are funding, the war our reps are passively supporting, and the justice they are denying with the "immunity" provision for these thugs.

Anyone wanna plead that Iraq is better without Saddam now? We seem to have surpassed his ability to fuck the people we don't care about.

[johnp]

37. Nancy's support of our troops has sealed her fate next election

I don't think any Democrat should vote for her next time around.

[lisby]

35. Jesus fucking Christ. nt

That poor woman.

And those sick bastards.




:grr:

[johnp]

36. This is what happens when you hang out with murderers and thugs

So sad that this happened but what was she thinking being as good looking as she is and then goes on to hang out with people who have wiped out whole families and shoot kids, and you name it. When you hang out with evil incarnate like we have in our military and their support corporations don't be surprised if this kind if shit happens. Think of all the other 90% of this stuff we never hear about?

[iheartobama]

39. Truth at The DU?

Maybe we could all wait to see if the charges are true before we comment.

[htuttle]

41. Read the story more closely

There are no charges. At this point, there will be no charges, no investigation, nothing. Not even a public civil suit if KBR get's it's way.

Haliburton/KBR are so wired into power that they can make something like this just disappear nowadays. There is/was no controlling legal authority for contractors in Iraq. They can literally do anything they want and get away scot free.

So you can wait all you want, eh? You'll never find out 'if the charges are true', and this girl will never see justice done. That's how it works nowadays.

[iheartobama]

42. That's bullshit

It's on the front page of Drudge. If it was being broomed we wouldn't be talking about it. But that's beside the point: it may not be true.

[htuttle]

44. We're talking about it because she filed a civil lawsuit

And as we speak, KBR is appealing to keep the proceedings closed, with no transcripts, no jury, etc... That's what the 'private arbitration' they are demanding means.

There's a ton of stuff that gets covered up even after it breaks into the media because it doesn't stay in the media longer than the 2.5 second attention span the cable networks have. And that ain't no accident.

Halliburton/KBR are going to make sure that it's beside the point whether it's true or false. There will be no such determination ever made in the legal sense. Bet ya $5.

[nachoproblem]

49. It sounds unlikely that it could be a Duke University case

"Jones told ABCNews.com that an examination by Army doctors showed she had been raped "both vaginally and anally," but that the rape kit disappeared after it was handed over to KBR security officers."

Unless she is prone to making up stories about Army doctors, which would be a bad idea because the Army is pretty good at keeping track of who its doctors are and where they can be found.

[iheartobama]

51. Agreed....

but why not wait until all the facts are in? The Duke case looked pretty cut and dried too,

[htuttle]

53. My point is (to bust into this subthread): The 'facts' will never be in.

Halliburton is pushing to keep that from ever happening. So are the US Military and the State Department.

There is NO investigation.
There will be no investigation.
Ever.

[noiretextatique]

57. right, per the article, 80% of arbitration cases

were decided in favor of kbr/halliburton. her best shot is to whip up public outrage, and it seems that's her strategy.

[nachoproblem]

64. Burst all you like

I agree with you.

And the chances of it filtering into the public consciousness any further than Drudge and boards like this one are slim at best.

Even if these particular allegations are not true, that there is an area of supposed US influence, where something like this *could* happen, where US citizens can do things with consequences on the order of life-and-death, even to their fellow citizens, while being outside the reach of our law should not escape notice. It falls under the same heading as the exploits of Blackwater: not just lawless corruption, but cheap life, and on our watch.

That's not an acceptable situation, and the people who are afraid to face it will do whatever they can to avoid having it known.

[Usrename]

102. The facts don't matter, that's the whole problem.

They are above the law. They are the Gestapo.

What difference does it make what the facts are if nothing is going to be done about it?

[Acadia Blue]

87. On Dan Abrams...several other cases.same treatment of victem,

and told according to employment contract, they had to settle civilly. So they had to keep their mouths shut after settling. F Halliburton and the private army. The real army is accountable.

[14thColony]

63. KBR aren't "shooters"

KBR employs the cooks, carpenters, plumbers, electricians, and general builders at the US and some Coalition bases. I've never seen a KBR employee carrying a gun. In fact at my camp their supply convoys had to be escorted by military personnel to defend them. These guys aren't Blackwater. Most of the KBR guys I knew were pretty normal people who were lured into the war zone by the promise of far larger paychecks than they'd ever get plying their trade back home.

Please note that I am in no way defending any of the alleged actions of any of these people. I am simply clarifying what KBR does in combat zones.

[XanaDUer]

65. "Being as good looking as she is"

Excuse me, but WTF?!

[natrat]

69. she was /is only 22-so maybe she didnt know better

[femrap]

72. KBR is NOT Blackwater....

it is an engineering and construction firm. Having worked at Bechtel in the days when women were NOT allowed to go to the Middle East to work, I know. By not being able to go to the Middle East to work, a woman lost out on advancement opportunities and HUGE MONEY! All income while working over there is TAX FREE! My male friend who worked in Riyadh got to travel the world after working 3 months (I think that was it). He worked 6 days/week, but the housing and meals were provided. He came home with shitloads of money.

I guess this has finally changed and these large construction firms are now allowing women to work in the Middle East...but in a war zone is an entirely different kind of work environment. But the money I bet is good. It would have to be or no one in their right mind would go there.

She was young and those older male employees drugged and gang raped her....I do hope they suffer in ways that make her circumstances look mild.

She seems to be handling the situation very well....setting up the foundation and wanting to help others who have been in the same situation.

Just think of what the american men are doing to Iraqi women....I'll never forget how Iraqi women were screaming from Abu Ghrab that they wanted to be killed. The cruelty of the human male is beyond comprehension.

[FREEWILL56]

96. Tax free? Does our government also extent this benefit to our miltary?

[Caretha]

81. So by God she should have been ugly

you are a complete imbecile.

[panzerfaust]

40. How many lashes should she should be given?

After all, this did happen in an Islamic nation, where she was violating Islamic law by being there without a male owner.

[yardwork]

45. This young woman was 19 or 20 years old when this happened to her.

Who was her supervisor? If this were my daughter, there would be hell to pay.

[YOY]

47. If this was my sister there would be hell to pay

Not to advocate vigilante justice, but it this was my sister...I know revenge is a dish best served cold, but it would be served up hot.

[Bluestar]

50. Held for 24 hours in a container--THIS IS KIDNAPPING!

And I don't believe that arbitration clauses cover criminal behavior. I am never shocked by anything that the Cheney cabal and this non-administration does, but I must say I am shocked by this. Women (and other human beings) everywhere should be outraged. This is like the Middle Ages.

[Vinca]

54. You think it can't get any worse, but somehow it does.

Are there any laws the Halliburton people are supposed to obey or is it the wild frontier? I hope this poor woman wins millions. More importantly I hope our not-so-vigilant Congress actually does something this time.

[nachoproblem]

67. But wild frontiers are a good thing!

Like the violence of the American frontier, which was all good and honorable, and where would we be without the enterprise of free-spirited individuals unconstrained by laws or regulations that made it possible for the land and resources to be rightfully acquired by the giant corporations that give you all the good things you depend on today? :sarcasm:

:puke:

[Raksha]

56. I had an intuition that when I checked DU I'd find a story like this,

and sure enough...I was right! The thought came to me at the end of a long train of associations, in which I was reflecting that for the power-obsessed, the "licence" to engage in pure evil and get away with it is the ultimate snobbery, the ultimate elitism. This seems to have been true for the French aristocracy just before the French Revolution, and it's just as true for the Bush mafia.

[iamahaingttta]

61. This is the world they want to live in.

This is the world of privatization. This is the logical conclusion. This is where it's all heading if we don't make it stop.

Who are these monsters, who want to live in a world of force, rather than laws? They are the monsters who do not like being constrained from committing the crimes that are their lives. They hate humanity and they hate themselves. They must be stopped, and I do mean by any means necessary.

They are, indeed, pure evil.

[roxnev]

66. Rape and police brutality will never end

Till we get smart and have a lie detector test laws for any one when it is one against one are one against many. And all political office Holder wen called on crooked deals

[Canuckistanian]

68. Can there not be a Consititutional challenge to this "contractor law"?

Seems to me like KBR/Halliburton is violating SEVERAL articles of the Constitution.

Did Jones waive all Constitutional guarantees when she signed her contract with KBR?

[natrat]

71. constitutional challenge? doesnt that require some form of political opposition

[Canuckistanian]

74. No, it only requires a lawyer

Just ask Larry Flynt.

But of course, it WOULD help if there were an organization such as the ACLU footing the bill.

I'm guessing she doesn't have millions to spend on a serious challenge.

[rockybelt]

75. They won't investigate

because Darth does not want it investigated. Darth still receives about $200,000 a year, deferred salary, from Halliburton Darth's stock rose about 3,000 percent and he owns a shit load of it.

Congress is so complicit in so many evil and illegal acts that if they investigate, I mean REALLY investigate, anything it is bound to come round to them and then they will have to be investigated. By whom? They are complicit in this war and they are complicit in enabling torturing. Both impeachable offenses. Who is going to investigate the investigators?

I am ashamed to be an American.

[Raksha]

80. I have SOOOO had it with this complicit "Democratic" Congress,

that I'm ready to say "guilty until proven innocent" to whole worthless bunch of them, starting with Nancy Pelosi.

Re Congress is so complicit in so many evil and illegal acts that if they investigate, I mean REALLY investigate, anything it is bound to come round to them and then they will have to be investigated. By whom? They are complicit in this war and they are complicit in enabling torturing. Both impeachable offenses. Who is going to investigate the investigators?

I think we could get a serious anti-incumbent movement going big time...I mean, just how much more are the American people supposed to take? It would probably be safe to ASSUME they are all complicit with the Bush mafia to one degree or another, unless they can prove otherwise. THROW THE BUMS OUT!

Re I am ashamed to be an American.

The hell with being ashamed to be an American! THEY should be ashamed to call themselves Americans. Republicans AND Democrats, they stopped deserving the name a long time ago...they are ASSHOLES, the whole bunch of 'em!

[rockybelt]

86. I should rephrase that

I am ashamed, as an American, to be associated with these scum bags!

There are a few, very few, members of Congress that deserve to be re elected if not elected to the Presidency. The only one I can think of is Dennis Kucinich.

You are exactly right. It is time to completely clean the viper nest out. I have written/telephoned and e.mailed my reps and Senator to tell them that if they vote to authorize the spending bill for Iraq, they will not be elected again. A lot of good that does. They just say "thank you for contacting my office...I cannot answer every e.mail, etc. Ass bags all!!! I've signed petitions and waved my impeach signs, talked until I was blue in the face and I feel so frustrated that I want to just start pounding and want to cry at the same time.
Pelosi knew of waterboarding in 2002. Fired worker that wanted to speak against waterboarding. Always saying IF IT IS ILLEGAL. GODDAMNED IT! It has been illegal for decades! Germans were prosecuted and convicted of it's use in WWII.

They will not investigate anything to do with the use of torture unless the people that did the torturing come out and admit it, like the CIA agent did today. There must be more of them come out and I believe that they will. Every day more and more rats are jumping ship. Once people start coming out of the woodwork the Congress will have no choice but to appoint a special prosecutor. The closer that an independent investigation comes, the more will jump ship and try to save their own asses. At least, that is what I hope

The destroyed CIA tapes, I believe, will get a special prosecutor and I also believe that this is only the tip of the ice berg. I understand that already there have been reports of hundreds of hours worth of tapes have been destroyed. It is my guess that someone has a tape that they have buried somewhere for self protection. THAT person needs to come forward and make that tape known. Before he/she has an "accident".

An anti-incumbent movement sounds great to me. I know there are a lot of people that feel the same as you and I. A huge problem is educating the people about what has been done to us and how we can remedy it peacefully. JIHAD! (I like to throw a definite subversive word in to keep the ass-holes busy that intercept this stuff.)

How do you want to start?

[Acadia Blue]

88. Halliburton "mafia mercenaries," No accountability.

[southerncrone]

76. I'm just going numb over all the horrific, arrogant violence committed

in the name of "freedom".

We must stop this insanity. How? I don't know. But the only thing these asswipes understand & appreciate is $. So our only option is to not support them. This may mean a drastic change in our behavior, like not driving as much. But revolution seems the only "realistic" way out.

[natrat]

78. good luck with that--most americans dont give a shit -until starvation sets in

[southerncrone]

83. I do believe it just crested the horizon.

Starvation, that is. With the economic position of most Americans today & the downturn of the $. It's closer than most think.
Oh, & the donations to most food banks are WAY DOWN.

[eib1]

77. It's big, a big story.

Let it get bigger. Let it become inescapable.

[muntrv]

79. Tell me again, how is the BFEE not like the nazis?

[Time for change]

89. 3 reasons that I can think of:

1. The Nazis were German, and the BFEE is American
2. The leading Nazis were tried at Nuremburg for their crimes, and the BFEE hasn't been tried for anything
3. The Nazi concentration camps were in Eastern Europe, while the BFEE concentration camps are spread throughout the world.

[screennaame]

82. ...

This is the most ridiculous thing i have ever read. its just horrible.

"due to an enormous loophole that has effectively left contractors in Iraq beyond the reach of United States law."

so they can just do whatever the hell they want over there with no consequences?

[gatts]

85. They can't

Simply put, , they can't. It's a wide-spread accusation, but that doesn't make it true.

I can't say jack ship about what happened, but I'd warn you all to trust something that sounds like perfect evidence against Bush. If it sounds too good to be true...

Like that idiocy with Dan Rather, a very loud but false case can do a remarkable amount of damage to just ones.

EDIT: hate weird wannabe HTML... SOO Much.

EDITx2: show a much more believable version, with a case on the way only slowed by jurisdiction issues, an EEOC finding of rape, and the no evidence of the rape kit being "handed to KBR employees". Dunno if the ABC reported just sucked, or wanted to discredit Ms. Jones, but the linked story is ridiculous.

[nachoproblem]

95. Not sure about that wording

I think "loophole" implies that it's like that by accident. Some how I doubt that it is.

Immunity of private contractors in Iraq to damn near anything was part of Paul Bremer's legacy orders, wasn't it?

[screennaame]

98. yea

i understand that loophole means it was most likely by accident.
but like you said i highly doubt it was one

but what i was trying to ask is, can these private contractors just go over to iraq and do whatever. (kill, rape, steal) with no consequences back home in the states?

(gatts) said it is just a wide spread accusation but that doesn't make it true.

if this is just an accusation (that they can do anything in iraq), then shouldnt these men be going to jail for raping this woman?

[Divine Discontent]

90. it's evil & sick stuff like this

that sure gives a clear argument that there is EVIL in the world. There is good & bad, and I side with the good. I am disgusted that so many small minded Americans can be hoodwinked by a bunch of sick criminals just because they wave the flag, get a tear in their eye, and say they love Jesus - and then no matter what they do, those same people back these monsters and just say it's a "few bad apples!"


Sorry, the whole orchard is infested.

[bonito]

91. Kicking for Justice n/t

[Divine Discontent]

92. and justice shall prevail n/t

[bonito]

93. And the four of us are living proof of it!

:hug:

[orleans]

94. my god. unfucking real--n/t

[Norrin Radd]

100. halliburton and kbr are the enemies of the US, and of all humanity. n/t

[Kurovski]

103. Damn. Was Halliburton created from Dick Cheney's rib?

Sweet Jayzus.

[Sean Stuart]

105. "Stuff happens!" Rumsfeld might say.

And of course, making the contractors in Iraq liable to prosecution for crimes would only invite politically-motivated frivolous lawsuits from people who want our enemies to win. Isn't that what the Disaster Capitalists tell us?

I don't believe in God or an afterlife, but sometimes I wish I did just so I could at least have the satisfaction of knowing that motherfuckers such as these will someday get their due and burn in Hell for eternity.

[Sean Stuart]

106. Also notice the push to force private arbitration outside of the court system.

Yet another thing to be privatized: Justice. Judges for hire.

[entanglement]

107. self-delete - too angry

[lovuian]

109. This poor woman but I think this has happened to others

she is lucky she is alive... I think some don't even make it out to talk about it

that KBR tryed to hide it
shows their corporation is run by a bunch of criminals