Bush loses ground with military families

[rodeodance]

Source: Los Angeles Times



TIMES/BLOOMBERG POLL
Bush loses ground with military families

A majority disapprove of the president's handling of the war in Iraq and come closer in line with the views of the general public.
By Faye Fiore, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
4:00 PM PST, December 6, 2007


WASHINGTON -- Families with ties to the military, long a reliable source of support for wartime presidents, disapprove of President Bush and his handling of the war in Iraq, with a majority concluding the invasion was not worth it, a Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll has found.

The views of the military community, which includes active-duty service members, veterans and their family members, mirror those of the overall adult population, a sign that the strong military endorsement that the administration often pointed to has dwindled in the war's fifth year.


Nearly six out of every 10 military families disapprove of Bush's job performance and the way he has run the war, rating him only slightly better than the general population does.

And among those families with soldiers, sailors and Marines who have served in Iraq or Afghanistan, 60% say that the war in Iraq was not worth the cost, the same result as all adults surveyed.

Read more: http://www.latimes.com/news/custom/timespoll/la-na-militpoll7dec07,0,4843202.story?coll=la-home-center

[Olney Blue]

1. Our troops serve with honor. They deserve better than a fanatical chimp.

[SpiralHawk]

15. The deserve a leader better than some clown who deserted the National Guard

and a Vice President war profiterr with five (5) shameful military deferments.

Soooooo many republicon chickenhawks sending our sons and daughters off on an oil-profits crusade. Shame. Shame. Shame.

[DLnyc]

2. Let's support the troops by getting them the fuck out of that hellhole NOW!

from the article:
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"We support the troops, we don't support Bush," said respondent Linda Ramirez, 52, of Spooner, Wis., whose 19-year-old son is due to be deployed with the Marines early next year. "These boys have paid a terrible, terrible price."
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I say we should:
o Stop undermining the Iraqi government by trying to force them to sign over Iraqi resources
o Stop encouraging ethnic strife by backing first one faction, then another
o Agree to hand military and economic control over to any Iraqi government that can take it
o Give up the humongous 'embassy', the military bases and the dreams of controlling all of the oil
o Now bring the troops home!

[tabasco]

3. Bush's legacy = Rats in Walter Reed Hospital.

I'm glad my brothers and sisters in the military have tired of being treated like expendable slaves by the chickenhawk Bush mafia.

I was writing letters to the papers for years about underfunding of VA but it takes rats in Walter Reed to get anybody's attention.

I wonder if the leadership of the American Legion and the VFW still support Boosh. They won't get my money again until they stop their blind loyalty to the republicans, stop being political, and work simply for the good of veterans.

[Rageneau]

4. HOO-AH!

[Hulk]

5. I'm anxiously waiting for the first military audience to "booo" the son of a bitch.

He has used their courage, sacrifice and honor for his own personal treachery. I hope to hell they wake up and start paying him the "lack of respect" they owe him for his blood sucking of their sacrifices.

[mwb970]

10. But who would bush and cheney speak to then?

They seem to speak only in front of audiences that can essentially be ordered to cheer or who are all on their side already. With fewer and fewer people on their side, it must be getting harder to find totally non-critical audiences to lie to and be cheered for it.

Eventually, bush administration officials will be seen only on Fox News, their original and most loyal propaganda network.

[LiberalFighter]

11. Someone needs to tell the female in uniform that travels with him on the helicopter

to quit being so stupid and talking too much to the chimp

[AlphaCentauri]

6. Cindy was right n/t

[llmart]

7. It's about time they wised up.

[trusty elf]

8. shrub's "legacy"

[LiberalFighter]

12. One of those should be replacing his head

[trusty elf]

9. Golf War Syndrome

[parkerll]

13. 'bout time

It's about time they woke up.

[rodeodance]

14. slow but sure

[Ian David]

16. I say we withdraw only 60% of our troops. Leave the 40% who still support Commander CuckooBananas.nt

[tabasco]

29. The 40% who support Boosh are sitting at desks at the Pentagon

and other rear echelon areas.

[lonestarnot]

17. So the lies weren't worth it after all... hmmmf.

[bif]

18. So who is he going to give his speeches to?

for the last couple of years, the only groups he speaks to are military groups and vets.

[boricua79]

19. took them long enough

how many mistakes regarding the war did he have to make? how many veterans payments did he have to cut until they realized they were getting scammed?

Forgive what may seem as a cold exterior, but I have very little sympathy for military families. It's not like the U.S. was born yesterday. Anybody who has taken the time to read Howard Zinn, or William blum, or Noam Chomsky, or William LeoGrande knows very well the militaristic history of the United States and what they've used they're soldiers for. They also should know how they treat their returning soldiers (Agent Orange, Gulf War Sindrome, etc.). If you still supported the military as an institution after knowing that history, you're like a person who enters a tiger's cage without any weapons. you know what you can expect. To be put through a meatgrinder in the labor of rich elites, who comfortably stay home and reap profits off their scams of society.

But hey, you know...every society needs its useful drones to "protect our values", or whatever other patriotic justification is used to justify their service. Meanwhile...rich elites back in Connecticut are sipping wine and enjoying their huge war-contract profits.

Ain't being deluded grand!? :sarcasm:

[Catsbrains]

31. couldn't agree more.

[DeepModem Mom]

20. K&R

[fascisthunter]

21. Loyalty to Country is One Thing

and to the office of the president itself, but to a particular president like this? Fugetaboutit!

[Divine Discontent]

22. though my sibling

may not be fully disgusted with this admin., the vast majority of my sibling's immediate family find the current inhabitants in the WH as war criminals. my sibling doesn't read as much of the news as we do anyhow, they're a TAD busy...

[pleah]

23. It's about time they got their heads out of their asses.

Never blindly trust your government.

[rAVES]

24. This liberal conspiracy is getting out of hand..

The CIA, Press, the general public, reality and now the military?


:sarcasm:

[underpants]

25. Okay where's the fork?

He's done

[Barrett808]

26. Military Families Question Iraq War as Support for Bush Slips

Source: Bloomberg

Military Families Question Iraq War as Support for Bush Slips
Christopher Stern

Dec. 7 (Bloomberg) -- Kent Fletcher, an Iraq war veteran, says he enthusiastically voted for President George W. Bush in 2000 and 2004. Now, he is a registered Democrat who questions the need for the war, the way it has been managed and the treatment of returning veterans.

``Saddam Hussein wasn't a threat and the culmination of my career was that war and it wasn't necessary,'' says Fletcher, 32, a financial analyst in Bluffton, South Carolina, who served almost 10 years as an officer in the U.S. Marine Corps.

A Bloomberg/Los Angeles Times poll shows that Fletcher's skepticism about the war reflects a growing disenchantment within the broader military community, long a bastion of support for the Bush administration and Republicans. Among active-duty military, veterans and their families, only 36 percent say it was worth going to war in Iraq. This compares with an Annenberg survey taken in 2004, one year after the invasion, which showed that 64 percent of service members and their families supported the war.

The views of veterans and their families are now closer in line with overall public sentiment. The poll shows that 32 percent of the general population supports the war.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20071207/pl_bloomberg/a9ebp4zm28g8

[aquart]

27. I didn't know there was any left.

[progressoid]

28. But will Democrats gain ground.

Bush has fumbled. How many Democrats will pick up the ball and run with it (and to the right goal for that matter).

[onehandle]

30. Not a word about this in freeperville.

The pussies never can handle the truth.